Character Discussion Question about Kizaru

DarkWitch

DarkWitch

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After Kizaru got hit by Star Gun, we then see him lying on the ground and he says "I don't think I'll be mobile anytime soon."

My question is do you think Kizaru purposely chose not to get up after that attack or did Luffy's attack really hurt him to the point where he couldn't get up for a little while.
 
MonochromeYoru

MonochromeYoru

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If kizaru really wanted to, he could have killed punk, bonney and the fodder straw hats multiple times in the arc. He was just prolonging actually doing it.

And the least he could get away with was killing punk.


At best, the WSG gave him a head ache. We see no lasting damage from it. He seems completely fine 2 minutes later.
 
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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

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Seems like Star Gun did legitimately floor him for a sec. But, being an Admiral, the dude has some damn good endurance. Not Kaido or Big Mom level, but still nice.
As for whether or not he was trying to use it as an excuse to postpone Vegapunk's murder... Nah, not likely. He was constantly trying to run and murder VP quickly. If he didn't want to kill him, he'd have tried hard to keep himself occupied with Luffy and use that as an excuse for his "failure". After all Saturn literally implies that he believes Kizaru is paralyzed purely because he was up against G5 Luffy.
 
RebelliousSoma

RebelliousSoma

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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
He didn't intend to kill him. If he wanted to kill the people on Egghead, he'd take out everyone besides Zoro and Luffy (not including the Gorosei for a few obvious reasons)
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He is just a flying geezer.

If you want to seriously analyse what the real reason was, then got to take into consideration, first of all plot armour and plot convenience. That however is in regards to every aspect of Oda's blunders.

Kizaru didn't kill them at Shabaody either. He didn't manage to kill any of the Worstgen there. Does he like pirates or something?
 
Reborn

Reborn

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He was emotionally overwhelmed and needed some time off which he took. It happens with everyone even in real lives.

One can question the way oda took to sideline kizaru but this is what we got....
 
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RebelliousSoma said:
He is just a flying geezer.

If you want to seriously analyse what the real reason was, then got to take into consideration, first of all plot armour and plot convenience. That however is in regards to every aspect of Oda's blunders.

Kizaru didn't kill them at Shabaody either. He didn't manage to kill any of the Worstgen there. Does he like pirates or something?
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Rayleigh was stopping him at Sabaody, though.
 
The DevilMaster

The DevilMaster

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DarkWitch said:
After Kizaru got hit by Star Gun, we then see him lying on the ground and he says "I don't think I'll be mobile anytime soon."

My question is do you think Kizaru purposely chose not to get up after that attack or did Luffy's attack really hurt him to the point where he couldn't get up for a little while.
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There is no second option, he is clearly seen shaking on the ground when he puts his arm over his face, and this is more than an indicator that he really was not able to compose himself immediately after the attack.
 
Hiragaro

Hiragaro

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He was not moving on purpose or more for plot reasons. The Bonney plot line and flashback started there with Saturn, Kizaru would be just stupidly standing there doing nothing, so the plot could happen. So Oda took him out that way.
The hit didn't even draw any blood and for him not being able to move makes no sense to me - he could move his hand on his face, what he did like 20 times in this arc. And as far as i remember we never had such a thing, where someone was stunned after an attack, that did zero visible damage. Kizaru was comepletely clean after he came back.
Kizaru was clearly holding back during this whole arc. He could have killed VP and SH's 50 times, yet acted like a immobile Pacifista this whole Arc. Never dodging or blocking attacks when being in killing range of one of them - yet blocked and dodged every attack when fighting only Luffy at the beginning.
Now Kizaru is just doing the same thing again, laying around with his hand on his face.
 
Kurozumi Wiwi

Kurozumi Wiwi

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WSG is a an unusual case because it's the only time someone looked this clean and unfazed after getting up from a hit that apparently immobilized them for a moment. Usually Oda shows some sign of damage remaining, as even ancient zoan Ulti with fastened recovery rate was still shown coughing blood after waking up from Yamato's Thunder Bagua or awakened zoan Lucci having a bandage (showing that he got tended) on the cheek after fighting Luffy. Kizaru was not tended up and should have "normal" human recovery compared to zoan users.

I think it's a mix of all these
-WSG is the second strongest move shown in G5 arsenal and Kizaru should have genuinely felt it considering it's still the only non-sneak attack Luffy managed to get land cleanly ( even then it only happened after initially Kizaru disengaged from the fight and focused on his mission). If Kizaru was both so difficult to touch and able to shrug off high end attacks he'll be unbeatable

-Luffy was immobilized on the ground and white eyed from the worst case of G5 drawback witnessed since Wano after he reached his limits in this fight (which suggest to me that the stacked damage he took from Kizaru also kicked in as the normal drawback is "just" Luffy turning into a frail old man) , if his opponent got up all fine and dandy instantly it'd be the worst portrayal of all time for a supposed top tier and emperor. Gotta throw him a bone

-White Star Gun as a move seems to be specifically tailored to make the opponent dizzy as it targets the temple and generate cartoon stars (used to convey dizziness) but once the brain rattling stop having effect it doesn't leave much lasting damage unlike other attacks that could be better at breaking opponent's body but with less immediate knockout power

-Kizaru was not very motivated to kill his friends either, in a series where will is power it's not unbelievable that he didn't push himself to get over the diziness and get up as Saturn was here to take over anyway. Coincidentally he got up the moment Kuma & SHs started attacking Saturn.
 
Uncle Van

Uncle Van

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Both. The WSG made him collapse, but he stood down cause it gave him an excuse to not finish his mission, and there's evidence for it. He told Saturn that he wouldn't be able to move for a while, but what happened when Bonney and the others showed up? He showed concern for Bonney and Sentomaru(laying flat on his back), is sitting up immediately after Saturn orders Bonney's execution(a few pages later), and is completely standing up right before Kuma arrives. Said "It's over..." after Kuma punched Saturn. Didn't even take action again until Saturn gave him a direct order to eliminate Kuma and Bonney.

Chapter 1103 and 1104.
 
BlackLegFring

BlackLegFring

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It’s both. Kizaru isn’t immortal or has Warcury’s skin to just shrug off attacks. It’s also obvious that he didn’t really want to do it (even though the Strawhats couldn’t stop him for good so he ends up succeeding anyway).

It still comes down to plot because Oda for whatever reason couldn’t come up with a better way to handle it to segue into the Kuma flashback.

It’s actually kinda crazy that Kizaru succeeded anyway despite his reluctance.
 
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