Controversial General Political Discussion

[Reborn]

I'm just gonna say this

As much riots and shit are terrible, it at least shows signs of free speech and democracy

If you had this shit in Russia and shit you would be jailed faster than Logiko defending communism

Violent riots when your own are burnt alive ( yes students who led the protests were burnt alive by their own mob) isn't democracy my friend... because just one right- freedom of speech isn't enough to make you democratic.

Riots or revolutions once goes out of hand then it will burn the hand which fed it

 

[Adam 🍎]

Violent riots when your own are burnt alive ( yes students who led the protests were burnt alive by their own mob) isn't democracy my friend... because just one right- freedom of speech isn't enough to make you democratic.

Riots or revolutions once goes out of hand then it will burn the hand which fed it

It is sign of democracy and free speech, just not a good one

At least you can voice your opinion albeit in this way in the most horrible way

Some countries would utterly squash any form of protest and riot

 

[Reborn]

It is sign of democracy and free speech, just not a good one

At least you can voice your opinion albeit in this way in the most horrible way

Some countries would utterly squash any form of protest and riot

That's voice of anarchy.


On one hand, you have dictator suppressing riots ruthlessly and violating rights.


On the other hand, you have people being killed - not the oppressors but same people who stood with you in the revolution to such extent that you aren't even allowing the fire fighters to help the victims... this is voice of anarchy

 

[AL sama]

what's the deal with this party? @AL sama

what do you wanna know specifically??

 

[Adam 🍎]

On the other hand, you have people being killed - not the oppressors but same people who stood with you in the revolution to such extent that you aren't even allowing the fire fighters to help the victims... this is voice of anarchy

More like voice of poor police force and judicial institutions

 

[Logiko]

Riots or revolutions once goes out of hand then it will burn the hand which fed it

There is no clean revolution.

Once launch, crowd effects overtakes the minds of the most radical, angry, and dangerous ones :

This is a field of study that is not well researched, but it is important to understand such movements of population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_psychology (you willl not learn a lot here sadly, I'll try to find some youtube video about ochlology (the study of crowd behaviors) later.

this is voice of anarchy

ALso, this is not what anarchy is. Anarchy is a form of order, not chaos.

 

[AL sama]

Violent riots when your own are burnt alive ( yes students who led the protests were burnt alive by their own mob) isn't democracy my friend... because just one right- freedom of speech isn't enough to make you democratic.

you mean this happened in Bangladesh??

 

[Adam 🍎]

Riots are fairly simple to control if you have well funded police and courts.

Riot control tactics and gear work when deployed right

Problem is that police during violent riots needs more jurisdiction to operate

 

[Reborn]

More like voice of poor police force and judicial institutions

There is no clean revolution.

Once launch, crowd effects overtakes the minds of the most radical, angry, and dangerous ones :

This is a field of study that is not well researched, but it is important to understand such movements of population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_psychology (you willl not learn a lot here sadly, I'll try to find some youtube video about ochlology (the study of crowd behaviors) later.



ALso, this is not what anarchy is. Anarchy is a form of order, not chaos.

Nah I am good.

you mean this happened in Bangladesh??

Hotel that was burnt - most of the victims were students.

Riots are fairly simple to control if you have well funded police and courts.

Riot control tactics and gear work when deployed right

Problem is that police during violent riots needs more jurisdiction to operate

They had jurisdiction and full authority but there is limit to what you can do against mob and riots of such magnitude

 

[Adam 🍎]

They had jurisdiction and full authority but there is limit to what you can do against mob and riots of such magnitude

Authority is useless if you don't have properly trained police force that is also equipped properly

Tear gas, water cannons, riot shields and formations, rubber bullets, bottlenecks, marshal law even.

We used to have riots in regards to football riots, and my dad was "commander" of one of the units, a single unified formation of riot police would beat the shit out of drunk and drugged up football fans

 

[Reborn]

Authority is useless if you don't have properly trained police force that is also equipped properly

Tear gas, water cannons, riot shields and formations, rubber bullets, bottlenecks, marshal law even.

We used to have riots in regards to football riots, and my dad was "commander" of one of the units, a single unified formation of riot police would beat the shit out of drunk and drugged up football fans

They were equipped. They even had nation wide curfew and shoot at sight order.


But when you are up against an angry mob of millions rioting across whole nation then you simply don't have enough human resource to outlast them. More so when riots are widespread and last more than a month...

 

[AL sama]

Hotel that was burnt - most of the victims were students.

normal students got burned?? or students from Hasina's party??

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

normal students got burned?? or students from Hasina's party??

I guess students from her party are not normal.

 

[AL sama]

They had jurisdiction and full authority but there is limit to what you can do against mob and riots of such magnitude

what are you on about?? it was a peaceful protest until the government started using extreme violence

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I guess students from her party are not normal.

that's likely the case and it's still wrong even though students from her party killed countless innocent people

 

[Adam 🍎]

They were equipped. They even had nation wide curfew and shoot at sight order.


But when you are up against an angry mob of millions rioting across whole nation then you simply don't have enough human resource to outlast them. More so when riots are widespread and last more than a month...

I highly doubt it is million violent protestor.

Thousands sure, millions nope

Any country that has million violent rioters is failed country

 

[Reborn]

normal students got burned?? or students from Hasina's party??

News reported youths and students were burnt alive... mostly boarders.

And, among injured were Indians, Indonesian and so on.

what are you on about?? it was a peaceful protest until the government started using extreme violence

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that's likely the case and it's still wrong even though students from her party killed countless innocent people

No one is denying the oppression. We are discussing something else.

I highly doubt it is million violent protestor.

Thousands sure, millions nope

Any country that has million violent rioters is failed country

Between June 1 - July 15th - 358 demonstrations were held. Some were violent and others were peaceful.

Thousands participated. Thousands backed from behind.


When I say million then it doesn't mean million on road but in terms of support

 

[Adam 🍎]

Between June 1 - July 15th - 358 demonstrations were held.

Considering the size of your country in terms of population i don't think that's a high number in 2 weeks

Don't you guys have like humongous population?

 

[Reborn]

Considering the size of your country in terms of population i don't think that's a high number in 2 weeks

Don't you guys have like a billion population?

It's not my country. Protests are not happening in my country

 

[AL sama]

They were equipped. They even had nation wide curfew and shoot at sight order.


But when you are up against an angry mob of millions rioting across whole nation then you simply don't have enough human resource to outlast them. More so when riots are widespread and last more than a month...

what are you suggesting bro??

also here's some context for people

millions of people didn't conduct violent acts rather we did a long march to gather in the capital and make our dictator PM resign

 

[Adam 🍎]

It's not my country. Protests are not happening in my country

Regardless, protests that are happening they happen in countries with absurd population numbers right?