ONE PIECE CHAPTER 1123: The Void Fortnight

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Thaidakar

Thaidakar

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#192
#192
It always goes higher.
Red Hair flexed his haki and made an admiral twerk.
Joyboy flexed his haki and knocked out VAs.

Dragon and Mihawk are still on the line.
Maybe one of them actually drops an admiral :jay-he:
 
Logiko

Logiko

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#196
#196
So what did we learn here:

- The Haki of Joy Boy was far stronger than anything we have seen until this day
- Vagapunk had a conversation with Sanji and put his faith in the Strawhats
- Vagapunk is really an interesting character and was indeed taking Lilith as his most potential bad side like as I was explaining here:

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Logiko said:
York's betrayal is entirely linked to Vegapunk and the value surrounding the seeking of knowledge.

Remember, Vegapunk his a very complex character and he splitted his personnality into 6 consciences and six people

- His good side : Shaka
- His bad side : Lilith
- His thinking process : Edison
- His Wisdom : Pythagoras
- His violence : Atlas
- His Greedyness : York

Now, look again.

His good side was shot by his greedyness.
His wisdom was crushed by his creation.
His violence and thinking side sacrified themselves
And his greedyness betrayed him.

Like I said. This arc is about the knowledge. The knowledge of the past, present and future, but also the knowledge of others and the knowledge of one self.

The point of this arc is simple : Vegapunk was the BIGGEST BRAIN on the planet and the most intelligent person on earth....

BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW HIMSELF

What Vegapunk thought to be his greedyness for things of life actually was his REAL greedyness. The greedyness that corrupts your brain, the greedyness that makes you betray your friend, the greedyness that comes with the seek of knowledge and most of all, the greedyness that doesn't want to share !

This is one of the biggest flaws of scientists and the scientific world today.

And...

What Vegapunk thought was his bad side actually is the one that survived and was protected. But it was NOT bad at all, its just his most subversive side ! The side that seeked for the forbidden knowledge !!

What Vegapunk just saved through Lilith is his BEST and most UNPREDICTIBLE side !

That's what this arc is about !

Its about protecting the things that counts !
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Logiko said:
Greed is by essence a negative behavior. York betrayed vegapunk because of her greed, simple as that.

Her theme makes perfect sence on the contrary ! York was blinded by her greed, she thought too much of herself and had too much desillusion about reality.

You need to take a bird's view of the arc instead of stopping at little plot knot that you think don't make sence.

Its an opposition of value system and behaviors. Vegapunk undersestimated his own greedyness and implanted it in the conscious of a person, this is what caused if fall.

But he also OVER estimated and MISSunderstood his bad side. this is why Lilith will survive and be a good character.

The point is that Vegapunk was a complexe HUMAN character. He had contradictions and blindspots despite being a genius.
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Logiko said:
Even a genius can make mistakes and fail to understand who he really is

I will repeat again in different words :

Vegapunk splitted himself into 6 part by vanity. He thoughts he was all knowing even of his own conscience but made a MAJOR AND DANGEROUS mistake and a BEAUTIFUL AND UNEXPECTED one:

He underestimated the dangerosity of his greed AND he overestimated the dangerosity of his bad nature !

This resulted in :

One very straightfoward character who betrayed him and her family
AND
On more complexe and subversive character who stayed loyal to everyone around her

Hence why the character who is being saved right now, is the most interesting one ! Simply because its the most interesting part of Vegapunk.

Its all about the value of keeping and protecting the things that really counts. Knowledge, memories and our curiosity !
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It really confirms that Oda put a LOT of thought into the creation of Vegapunk's story and character. Its REALLY interesting !

- They erased their memory which explain the entire situation of the recording
- Vegapunk left himself a message about something we don't know.. I think it was about a potential survival of the Vegapunk lineage with Lilith.

Not a lot of revelations but I think it was needed for the readability of the arc. Good chapter overall :)
 
nik87

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
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#197
#197
kekaro said:
Doll was subjected to greater haki than shanks but is still affected by df effects


Thoughts @nik87 chama
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:sanmoji: seems like revising time
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Giant Captain pointed out the solution to this dilemma.
The haki can be selective, just like Rayleigh's burst inside auction house.
It wasn't hostile towards everyone but only towards selected people.
That's why Bonney's effect is still in place while Elders' DFs are cancelled.

ZenZu said:
King vs Joyboy, no plot involved who you got?
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Strong haki is all nice and good but how is Joyboy's lethality?
If he is using Healing Punches like Luffy does, what say you?
Are his reaction times good enough to put up a haki barrier before Jackpot?

We don't know enough about Joyboy to decide whether he wins or loses against strongest right hand man in history.
King's abilities, at least a majority of them, come from his race not from a DF so Joyboy's haki cant cancel shit.
 
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