General & Others Can We Wait A Few Chapters Before Seriously Comparing Kaido And Kizaru
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Not a single thing has changed despite those trying to flock and cope with the same excuses from a year ago.
- Kizaru dealt with base & Gear 4 Luffy better than Kaido did.
Even before Luffy’s numerous power ups, he had Kaido bleeding and knocked him to the ground several times.
- Kaido had to power up with alcohol to deal with base Luffy, couldn’t track Gear 4 Snakeman’s movements without future sight and was still taking hits even after that.
- Finally, Kizaru was similarly not that phased by Gear 5. He could send his clones to fight him while strangling Usopp, for example. They were stalemated in the air until Luffy pulled one last desperate move before hitting his limit.
Even that couldn’t put Kizaru down for good though.
So in the end, Luffy would need 2 rounds of Gear 5 to take out Kizaru for good, just as with Kaido.
The major difference besides Luffy not being Kizaru’s target is that Kizaru’s style involves dodging & blocking hits at all levels while Kaido’s relies on tankiness and counters.
- Kizaru dealt with base & Gear 4 Luffy better than Kaido did.
Even before Luffy’s numerous power ups, he had Kaido bleeding and knocked him to the ground several times.
- Kaido had to power up with alcohol to deal with base Luffy, couldn’t track Gear 4 Snakeman’s movements without future sight and was still taking hits even after that.
- Finally, Kizaru was similarly not that phased by Gear 5. He could send his clones to fight him while strangling Usopp, for example. They were stalemated in the air until Luffy pulled one last desperate move before hitting his limit.
Even that couldn’t put Kizaru down for good though.
So in the end, Luffy would need 2 rounds of Gear 5 to take out Kizaru for good, just as with Kaido.
The major difference besides Luffy not being Kizaru’s target is that Kizaru’s style involves dodging & blocking hits at all levels while Kaido’s relies on tankiness and counters.
Yes, actually receiving a Stars Gun and falling to the ground shaking and unable to compose himself only caused him emotional damage.
Being squeezed like an orange by Gear 5 while spitting blood and breathing heavily is another mental injury.
And finally being turned into a pizza and crashing into a ship (which saved his life), while he's there breathing heavily and HUFF HUFF is concrete proof that all he suffered was psychological damage.
You can spin as much as you want, and the kizaru was massacred by Yonkou Luffy holding back the entire arc.
Being squeezed like an orange by Gear 5 while spitting blood and breathing heavily is another mental injury.
And finally being turned into a pizza and crashing into a ship (which saved his life), while he's there breathing heavily and HUFF HUFF is concrete proof that all he suffered was psychological damage.
You can spin as much as you want, and the kizaru was massacred by Yonkou Luffy holding back the entire arc.
Kizaru whoops his ass nothing changed
Kaido is a fighter who trades casually with the likes of base Luffy and Yamato
You can falsely overhype his abilities against Gear5, but Gear5 was acting like a dumbass the entire fight, and he still barely sustained any real damage against Kaido’s mosquito attacks
Kizaru would preferably use his sword seeing its Kaido’s weakness, and with his superior speed and defensive abilities grind him down eventually
To address some of the points people hold on Kizaru
WSG: the only significant attack Luffy landed on Kizaru, and only did so after they disengaged cqc
In a normal scenario, I wonder how that works
Luffy grabbing him and Saturn: that was a few seconds after he killed Vegapunk, Kizaru was shown panting and having a panic attack, you can expect him to fall victim to such grab
In general Kizaru was having the roughest day in his life and still looked more impressive than Kaido, in certain aspects at least
Kaido is a fighter who trades casually with the likes of base Luffy and Yamato
You can falsely overhype his abilities against Gear5, but Gear5 was acting like a dumbass the entire fight, and he still barely sustained any real damage against Kaido’s mosquito attacks
Kizaru would preferably use his sword seeing its Kaido’s weakness, and with his superior speed and defensive abilities grind him down eventually
To address some of the points people hold on Kizaru
WSG: the only significant attack Luffy landed on Kizaru, and only did so after they disengaged cqc
In a normal scenario, I wonder how that works
Luffy grabbing him and Saturn: that was a few seconds after he killed Vegapunk, Kizaru was shown panting and having a panic attack, you can expect him to fall victim to such grab
In general Kizaru was having the roughest day in his life and still looked more impressive than Kaido, in certain aspects at least
Yes, actually receiving a Stars Gun and falling to the ground shaking and unable to compose himself only caused him emotional damage.
Being squeezed like an orange by Gear 5 while spitting blood and breathing heavily is another mental injury.
And finally being turned into a pizza and crashing into a ship (which saved his life), while he's there breathing heavily and HUFF HUFF is concrete proof that all he suffered was psychological damage.
You can spin as much as you want, and the kizaru was massacred by Yonkou Luffy holding back the entire arc.
Being squeezed like an orange by Gear 5 while spitting blood and breathing heavily is another mental injury.
And finally being turned into a pizza and crashing into a ship (which saved his life), while he's there breathing heavily and HUFF HUFF is concrete proof that all he suffered was psychological damage.
You can spin as much as you want, and the kizaru was massacred by Yonkou Luffy holding back the entire arc.
Serious ? Strange, he spits blood, and there is no damage?
Was he also pretending that it was blood? I think it was squeezed tomato.
Maybe the fact that he was shaking on the floor, and according to his own words he would need time to compose himself, is all an act?
Did he also simulate the shaking?
Was he also pretending that it was blood? I think it was squeezed tomato.
Maybe the fact that he was shaking on the floor, and according to his own words he would need time to compose himself, is all an act?
Did he also simulate the shaking?
3 drops of blood that’s all Nika managed to get out of Kizaru
How fast did Kaido bleed against Luffy
Thankfully I have a thread about this topic, let’s see here
How fast did Kaido bleed against Luffy
Thankfully I have a thread about this topic, let’s see here
So far Nika landed two clean shots on Kizaru
First was WSG, and attack that has all the necessary components to deal the highest damage
-ACoC
-Spinning and sound breaking
-Flaming
-G5 gigantism
-Clean headshot
And now we have the clean hit from this chapter
Not a single drop of blood
For a small comparison, let's look at Kaido bleeding from Luffy's attacks, some in base, some without ACoC, and some with ACoC
If it weren't for Rayleigh I'd have questioned the fact that Kizaru has blood running in his veins
You can do it Goofy, just a single drop of blood, I believe in you
First was WSG, and attack that has all the necessary components to deal the highest damage
-ACoC
-Spinning and sound breaking
-Flaming
-G5 gigantism
-Clean headshot
And now we have the clean hit from this chapter
Not a single drop of blood
For a small comparison, let's look at Kaido bleeding from Luffy's attacks, some in base, some without ACoC, and some with ACoC
If it weren't for Rayleigh I'd have questioned the fact that Kizaru has blood running in his veins
You can do it Goofy, just a single drop of blood, I believe in you
Kizaru's performance was his peak, and he was simply humiliated by Yonkou Luffy even when he received help from Saturn, the damage suffered by him was internal, Oda is also not good at portraying injured characters and he was never consistent with that.
In fact, however 2 hits and Kizaru packed his bags, while kaidou you know.
Kaidou at least got to give Gear 5 a beating before falling, did Kizaru get to do that?
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In fact, however 2 hits and Kizaru packed his bags, while kaidou you know.
Kaidou at least got to give Gear 5 a beating before falling, did Kizaru get to do that?
The Stars Gun was indeed powerful, to the point of causing brain damage to Kizaru, I don't dispute that.
"100%HP", man, Saturn + Kizaru = Humiliated.
And do you think a Kizaru could do better against Luffy before food?
Did you see how the first round of the restricted Luffy vs Kizaru ended?
Kizaru ended up on the ground shaking without being able to get up according to him. LOL
Kizaru needed a couple minutes after WSG, but then again he pushed Gear5 to it absolute limits, and even WSG only landed after they disengaged combat
Kaido’s mosquito attacks were being laughed off by Gear5 who was simply goofing around, even grabbed hold of Kaido’s body refusing to let go with Kaido unable to get his hand off LMAO
He was also in turn getting smacked constantly, by Gear5 base Luffy gear4 and Yamato
Against Kizaru Snakeman was completely trashed, that’s the level of fighter he is
Kaido’s mosquito attacks were being laughed off by Gear5 who was simply goofing around, even grabbed hold of Kaido’s body refusing to let go with Kaido unable to get his hand off LMAO
He was also in turn getting smacked constantly, by Gear5 base Luffy gear4 and Yamato
Against Kizaru Snakeman was completely trashed, that’s the level of fighter he is