Current Events Oda completely lost the plot at the end of Egghead
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Suppose that you were posting on this forum. The threads are in front of you, which thread would you open? The one in the ‘Sensitive Topics’ section? Or the one in the ‘Manga Discussion’ section? The Sensitive one? Or the manga one?
Usually you would open the manga one. That is ‘correct’ too. But in a larger sense of society, that is wrong.
Perhaps I could even substitute ‘society’ with ‘Worstgen’. The correct answer is that ‘It is determined by the one who posts in the thread first.’ …Yes?
If the first one posts in the manga section, then there’s no choice but for others to also post there. The same goes for the Sensitive Topics. Everyone else will post there, because they have no other option. This is ‘society’…
Who are the ones that determine the quality of manga first? There must have been someone who determined the value of an arc, first. The size of the Strawhat crew? The magnitude of Electro? Story telling and analysis? Who was the first to determine these things? Did we all do it, because this is a forum? Or was it Arbitrary? NO! The one who studied storytelling determined all of these things! The rules of this world are determined by that same principle!
In a Society like this forum, a state of equilibrium, once one makes the first move, everyone must follow! In every era, the Web has been operating by this principle. And the one who ‘posts first’ must be someone who is respected by all. It’s not that anyone can fulfill this role… Those that are despotic or unworthy will be scorned. And those are the ‘losers’. In the case of this forum, the ‘smartest’ or the ‘Master of story telling’ will post first… Because everyone ‘respects’ those individuals.
Usually you would open the manga one. That is ‘correct’ too. But in a larger sense of society, that is wrong.
Perhaps I could even substitute ‘society’ with ‘Worstgen’. The correct answer is that ‘It is determined by the one who posts in the thread first.’ …Yes?
If the first one posts in the manga section, then there’s no choice but for others to also post there. The same goes for the Sensitive Topics. Everyone else will post there, because they have no other option. This is ‘society’…
Who are the ones that determine the quality of manga first? There must have been someone who determined the value of an arc, first. The size of the Strawhat crew? The magnitude of Electro? Story telling and analysis? Who was the first to determine these things? Did we all do it, because this is a forum? Or was it Arbitrary? NO! The one who studied storytelling determined all of these things! The rules of this world are determined by that same principle!
In a Society like this forum, a state of equilibrium, once one makes the first move, everyone must follow! In every era, the Web has been operating by this principle. And the one who ‘posts first’ must be someone who is respected by all. It’s not that anyone can fulfill this role… Those that are despotic or unworthy will be scorned. And those are the ‘losers’. In the case of this forum, the ‘smartest’ or the ‘Master of story telling’ will post first… Because everyone ‘respects’ those individuals.
I know you think you made a genius move. but you are just proving my point. Being that you don't have any
And you are reduced to focus on details that are non pertinent to find problems that are not even there
But props for trying
And you are reduced to focus on details that are non pertinent to find problems that are not even there
But props for trying
And of course you have to pretend - or delude yourself into thinking - that every contradiction and mistake Oda makes doesn't exist or isn't relevant, how else will your precious manga get into university courses? There's no way you can be wrong about anything, right?
I mostly agree with the premise. The Egghead problem isn't unique to it; Oda has consistently shown in post-TS he can do a great set-up but drops the ball trying to hit the dismount. There's probably a few reasons for this. The story and cast have exploded in numbers so it's way too difficult to tie all the loose ends together. If you consider that most of the arcs between FMI and Wano were extra filler he added in, it's understandable. I do think Oda still has some kind of plan for Elbaf with how long it's been referenced, but unfortunately my belief now is that it is going to be a clusterfuck of an ending.
I'm sure there was some kind of plan going into Egghead, considering how long Vegapunk has been mentioned himself, but with Bonney, Kuma, Kizaru, all 5 elders, 6 VP satellites, Emet, the Giants, and a bunch of new VA's, it just got too crazy. It's probably a sneak peek into how the final war will go, honestly. Too much ground to cover, a lot of fights will be off-screened etc.
It would probably be better for him to focus on the most important plot threads at this point, leaving all the other stuff to be done in their own mini-stories or something after One Piece ends.
I'm sure there was some kind of plan going into Egghead, considering how long Vegapunk has been mentioned himself, but with Bonney, Kuma, Kizaru, all 5 elders, 6 VP satellites, Emet, the Giants, and a bunch of new VA's, it just got too crazy. It's probably a sneak peek into how the final war will go, honestly. Too much ground to cover, a lot of fights will be off-screened etc.
It would probably be better for him to focus on the most important plot threads at this point, leaving all the other stuff to be done in their own mini-stories or something after One Piece ends.
Because I don't really want to read a story with reactionnary positions right now, thanks.
Simple: The speech of Vegapunk is literally what starts officially the race for the throne symbolically. This is also a speech that completely change what the character and the readers know about the world and create the final stakes for the final conflict.
In other word, this speech is a fundamental piece of the narration of the entire story of One Piece.
So, when Oda created the main story of One Piece, he most likely outlined it like all of his arcs. And it would be VERY difficult to outline the story without the big piece that is the flood as it is fundamental to understand why the end will end the way it will end. So, chances are that Oda created the concept of the flood before even writing his story. That would be coherent with his writing habbits.
And since Oda introduced the concept of devil fruit technology and objects eating devil fruit in Alabasta, it's highly possible that Oda already had Vegapunk in mind at this point and it's very possible that he knew that the guy would make a big speech that would change the world.
Now, did he outlined the entire arc ? Probably, no, he must only have had a vague ideas of some of the concept he would use their (clones, astroboy technology, cloud technology, mother flame) but that's enough to say that Oda had already a strong desire to write this arc in the first place... already at the very beginning of the story.
Keep thinking what you want mate, it doesn't change reality
Yes, Oda make mistakes. But you guys are pointing the wrong ones.
Simple: The speech of Vegapunk is literally what starts officially the race for the throne symbolically. This is also a speech that completely change what the character and the readers know about the world and create the final stakes for the final conflict.
In other word, this speech is a fundamental piece of the narration of the entire story of One Piece.
So, when Oda created the main story of One Piece, he most likely outlined it like all of his arcs. And it would be VERY difficult to outline the story without the big piece that is the flood as it is fundamental to understand why the end will end the way it will end. So, chances are that Oda created the concept of the flood before even writing his story. That would be coherent with his writing habbits.
And since Oda introduced the concept of devil fruit technology and objects eating devil fruit in Alabasta, it's highly possible that Oda already had Vegapunk in mind at this point and it's very possible that he knew that the guy would make a big speech that would change the world.
Now, did he outlined the entire arc ? Probably, no, he must only have had a vague ideas of some of the concept he would use their (clones, astroboy technology, cloud technology, mother flame) but that's enough to say that Oda had already a strong desire to write this arc in the first place... already at the very beginning of the story.
It's nothing more than a basic joke - a bit of mockery. You've shown time and again you can't understand author's intent though, so I guess it isn't surprising you'd think this. Maybe it's just your bias against people on this forum. Oh wait, you are immune to being biased when it comes to virtue and understanding (declining) stories.
And of course you have to pretend - or delude yourself into thinking - that every contradiction and mistake Oda makes doesn't exist or isn't relevant, how else will your precious manga get into university courses? There's no way you can be wrong about anything, right?
And of course you have to pretend - or delude yourself into thinking - that every contradiction and mistake Oda makes doesn't exist or isn't relevant, how else will your precious manga get into university courses? There's no way you can be wrong about anything, right?
Yes, Oda make mistakes. But you guys are pointing the wrong ones.
I fear that, too.
It's why I actually didn't like Marineford, despite so many fans praising it.
To me it was very unorganic.
A boatload of characters that were there barely did anything the entire war, simply because Oda has always been bad handling this many characters at once.
Same thing with the current Egghead situation: Once he brought in Kuma and the other Gorosei he reached his breaking point and the entire ending became a mess, because he had too many characters to handle.
It's why I actually didn't like Marineford, despite so many fans praising it.
To me it was very unorganic.
A boatload of characters that were there barely did anything the entire war, simply because Oda has always been bad handling this many characters at once.
Same thing with the current Egghead situation: Once he brought in Kuma and the other Gorosei he reached his breaking point and the entire ending became a mess, because he had too many characters to handle.