There are men men that have complaints about it though. but,yeah,for most guys it isn't a big deal. I do think its an underestimated procedure, very few people are aware of the possible complications.
You're right. But circumcision isn't really like excision. Although it's useless and I don't believe it's healthier.
 
People these days hyperfocus on physical violence and neglect mental and emotional violence against children.
Going by that logic everthing and anything requires "consent": schooling, how to dress a child, how to feed them what language to speak to them. Feeding a 2 year old carrots without their consent? Evil! Making them play with the toys that you selected without asking them beforehand? Child abuse!1!
Chill out for once guys🙃
 
People these days hyperfocus on physical violence and neglect mental and emotional violence against children.
Going by that logic everthing and anything requires "consent": schooling, how to dress a child, how to feed them what language to speak to them. Feeding a 2 year old carrots without their consent? Evil! Making them play with the toys that you selected without asking them beforehand? Child abuse!1!
Chill out for once guys🙃
I wouldn't equate cutting off a part of their dick with eating a carrot, you must really dislike them.
 
I wouldn't equate cutting off a part of their dick with eating a carrot, you must really dislike them.
Giving birth to children without their consent is also child abuse.
I'm picturing a scene in my head rn : victim of abuse speaks, dramatic backround music, "my parents forced me to be born with Italian DNA but all my life, I wanted to be French 😢. Nobody ever asked me how being Italian makes me feel." proceeds to show court documents to sue parents for unconsensual birth
 
Giving birth to children without their consent is also child abuse.
I'm picturing a scene in my head rn : victim of abuse speaks, dramatic backround music, "my parents forced me to be born with Italian DNA but all my life, I wanted to be French 😢. Nobody ever asked me how being Italian makes me feel." proceeds to show court documents to sue parents for unconsensual birth
Birth is a natural part of existence and is integral of human survival. Cutting away a part of a baby's dick is not, unless necessary. Why are you being such a sophist?
 
Birth is a natural part of existence and is integral of human survival. Cutting away a part of a baby's dick is not, unless necessary. Why are you being such a sophist?
But did the parents ask for the baby's consent to exist?
Unconsensual survival is child abuse.



In other news, the following list shows all the women who consented to having a period:

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But did the parents ask for the baby's consent to exist?
Unconsensual survival is child abuse.



In other news, the following list shows all the women who consented to having a period:

.
Sassenach, what are you on? You are comparing natural biological processes with artificial mutilation.:risitexcla:

Nobody "consents" to the blood flowing through their veins or the increase of mass as they grow into adults, it just happens. Getting body parts disfigured or removed doesn't just happen you disingenuous muppet. :shame:
 
But did the parents ask for the baby's consent to exist?
Unconsensual survival is child abuse.
I could repeat the same thing I said in the last comment because your question is basically the same.
Or if you want me to give you the silly sophist answer like you are doing I could say that children also didn't ask not to be born.
In other news, the following list shows all the women who consented to having a period:

.
That's very transphobic of you to say, Logiko will skin you alive.
 
Sassenach, what are you on? You are comparing natural biological processes with artificial mutilation.
Wrong. The mutilation is done using a natural biological process called "moving one's hands". As long as no robotics are used in the process it's as natural as a natural birth end even more natural than an unnatural birth.
Nobody "consents" to the blood flowing through their veins or the increase of mass as they grow into adults, it just happens
Yes and that's a problem. You not recognizing the inherent abuse that lies within unconsensual birth is sickening.
Getting body parts disfigured or removed doesn't just happen you disingenuous muppet. :shame:
Culture and religion are integral parts of human life. The rationalisation of anything that doesn't seem to serve a purpose at the first look is a highly problematic development we can observe in the west when looking at the last few centuries. Its negative effects on social and communal relationships as well as spiritual wellbeing are devastating to say the least.
You speak like average westerners of this modern godless era. I can't expect you to even grasp the severity of your ignorance.
That's very transphobic of you to say, Logiko will skin you alive.
He has to ask for my consent first.
 
It's abuse then, no?


Also you guys didn't address my other points:
Going by that logic everthing and anything requires "consent": schooling, how to dress a child, how to feed them what language to speak to them. Feeding a 2 year old carrots without their consent? Evil! Making them play with the toys that you selected without asking them beforehand? Child abuse!1!
Neither school nor a specific language nor specific toys are necessary for survival.
 

Indigo

Herald of the Arcane
I'm pro choice

i don't think it's murder and i believe the woman should be able to make that choice, no matter the reason

however, i think men should also legally be able to make the choice to leave if the woman decides to have the baby

it's completely unfair for men that the woman can have complete say in it, but the man is obligated to support it no matter the decision

it took two people to make that child happen, the future decision shouldn't be just on one of them, they both should have a say in it

unless of course, one of the parties was forced into the situation without consent
 
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