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It shows that we have made progress to fight racism since this is not acceptable today. :)
Also lets see :
I will need reliable sources for all of that. I'm not a Spain specialist, so I won't believe you until there are evidences. Also, a lot of things here are "They did that, but I did not see the impact or the reasons, so they obviously just did that to stay in power"... yeah.. I won't believe this kind of rethoric.
THose guys where close to his ideology, so yes, it logical. They were definitely not leftists.
I think you are confusing defending the elections and defending Maduro. The left do not necessarily defend Maduro.
Its not even Communist, its corrupted from all side. Maduro is trying to implement some leftist things but it seems that even he is corrupted. There are not saint in this arena.
How do you know that ? Do you have proof coming from an international investigation ?
I'm not saying its wrong. But what are the UNDENIABLE evidences ?
I did not say "left is good" I implied that the left was always on the left of the right side and ASIDE from obvious authoritarian gov on the left... the left will always be better than the right on every subjects.
And it still stand. If you are on the right side.. its really not targetting leftist will not be the bright move you think it is. Leftist on the other hand will be much more legitimate to do that.
But I know how to recognize a leftist when I see one. And I didn't see any here.
Again. Like Van, you are making the mistake than because I'm telling you that there are two clear side, you think that I'm telling you that there is no nuance.
This is not the case. Let me show you what I told to Van:
As you can see, two side, a dark and a bright one. BUT with nuance inside of them. And INSIDE those nuance (if you were to zoom in really close) you would find little cluster of color of the other side. Because even in the left, there are rightist biases and in the Right, there are progressive ideas.
My vision of politic.. in reality, in far for complex than you think. Its simply, clearly structured.
And for saying that. Its obvious that you are a [FIND YOUR LABEL HERE] and I'm not proud of you.
Also lets see :
I will need reliable sources for all of that. I'm not a Spain specialist, so I won't believe you until there are evidences. Also, a lot of things here are "They did that, but I did not see the impact or the reasons, so they obviously just did that to stay in power"... yeah.. I won't believe this kind of rethoric.
THose guys where close to his ideology, so yes, it logical. They were definitely not leftists.
I think you are confusing defending the elections and defending Maduro. The left do not necessarily defend Maduro.
Its not even Communist, its corrupted from all side. Maduro is trying to implement some leftist things but it seems that even he is corrupted. There are not saint in this arena.
How do you know that ? Do you have proof coming from an international investigation ?
I'm not saying its wrong. But what are the UNDENIABLE evidences ?
I did not say "left is good" I implied that the left was always on the left of the right side and ASIDE from obvious authoritarian gov on the left... the left will always be better than the right on every subjects.
And it still stand. If you are on the right side.. its really not targetting leftist will not be the bright move you think it is. Leftist on the other hand will be much more legitimate to do that.
But I know how to recognize a leftist when I see one. And I didn't see any here.
Again. Like Van, you are making the mistake than because I'm telling you that there are two clear side, you think that I'm telling you that there is no nuance.
This is not the case. Let me show you what I told to Van:
We consider that sometimes, the world IS black and white, not always, but a LOT of time. And that in those case, accepting to make compromises with toxic ideologies is not possible.
Liberals made you believe that rationnality was synonymous of being able to see the nuances in politics. That the right thing to do was to be able to pick and choose what was right and wrong in all sides of the political spectrum.
Problem : This ideology the result of a sophism : the middle-ground fallacy. The belief that the truth lies somewhere in between opposing propositions.
In reality, where you uses that ideology, you put yourself to the right side, simply because taking idea from the right and from the left will ALWAYS benefit the right side.
This is how you might think the political spectrum is:
With two side and a "rationnal" middle ground. But in reality, this is how the political spectrum really is:
Two sides, black and white, bright and dark, blue and red, with NUANCES but two sides that are NOT reconcilable !
Politics exist because of the opposition of values. If we start to make the opposition dissapear, we depoliticize the conflict and we lose the reason why there is a conflict in the first place without resolving the issues behind the conflict.
In other words, we sweep the dust under the carpet.
Centrism and depolitization only helps the status co.
Liberals made you believe that rationnality was synonymous of being able to see the nuances in politics. That the right thing to do was to be able to pick and choose what was right and wrong in all sides of the political spectrum.
Problem : This ideology the result of a sophism : the middle-ground fallacy. The belief that the truth lies somewhere in between opposing propositions.
In reality, where you uses that ideology, you put yourself to the right side, simply because taking idea from the right and from the left will ALWAYS benefit the right side.
This is how you might think the political spectrum is:
With two side and a "rationnal" middle ground. But in reality, this is how the political spectrum really is:
Two sides, black and white, bright and dark, blue and red, with NUANCES but two sides that are NOT reconcilable !
Politics exist because of the opposition of values. If we start to make the opposition dissapear, we depoliticize the conflict and we lose the reason why there is a conflict in the first place without resolving the issues behind the conflict.
In other words, we sweep the dust under the carpet.
Centrism and depolitization only helps the status co.
My vision of politic.. in reality, in far for complex than you think. Its simply, clearly structured.
And for saying that. Its obvious that you are a [FIND YOUR LABEL HERE] and I'm not proud of you.
It shows that we have made progress to fight racism since this is not acceptable today. :)
Also lets see :
I will need reliable sources for all of that. I'm not a Spain specialist, so I won't believe you until there are evidences. Also, a lot of things here are "They did that, but I did not see the impact or the reasons, so they obviously just did that to stay in power"... yeah.. I won't believe this kind of rethoric.
THose guys where close to his ideology, so yes, it logical. They were definitely not leftists.
I think you are confusing defending the elections and defending Maduro. The left do not necessarily defend Maduro.
Its not even Communist, its corrupted from all side. Maduro is trying to implement some leftist things but it seems that even he is corrupted. There are not saint in this arena.
How do you know that ? Do you have proof coming from an international investigation ?
I'm not saying its wrong. But what are the UNDENIABLE evidences ?
I did not say "left is good" I implied that the left was always on the left of the right side and ASIDE from obvious authoritarian gov on the left... the left will always be better than the right on every subjects.
And it still stand. If you are on the right side.. its really not targetting leftist will not be the bright move you think it is. Leftist on the other hand will be much more legitimate to do that.
But I know how to recognize a leftist when I see one. And I didn't see any here.
Again. Like Van, you are making the mistake than because I'm telling you that there are two clear side, you think that I'm telling you that there is no nuance.
This is not the case. Let me show you what I told to Van:
As you can see, two side, a dark and a bright one. BUT with nuance inside of them. And INSIDE those nuance (if you were to zoom in really close) you would find little cluster of color of the other side. Because even in the left, there are rightist biases and in the Right, there are progressive ideas.
My vision of politic.. in reality, in far for complex than you think. Its simply, clearly structured.
And for saying that. Its obvious that you are a [FIND YOUR LABEL HERE] and I'm not proud of you.
Also lets see :
I will need reliable sources for all of that. I'm not a Spain specialist, so I won't believe you until there are evidences. Also, a lot of things here are "They did that, but I did not see the impact or the reasons, so they obviously just did that to stay in power"... yeah.. I won't believe this kind of rethoric.
THose guys where close to his ideology, so yes, it logical. They were definitely not leftists.
I think you are confusing defending the elections and defending Maduro. The left do not necessarily defend Maduro.
Its not even Communist, its corrupted from all side. Maduro is trying to implement some leftist things but it seems that even he is corrupted. There are not saint in this arena.
How do you know that ? Do you have proof coming from an international investigation ?
I'm not saying its wrong. But what are the UNDENIABLE evidences ?
I did not say "left is good" I implied that the left was always on the left of the right side and ASIDE from obvious authoritarian gov on the left... the left will always be better than the right on every subjects.
And it still stand. If you are on the right side.. its really not targetting leftist will not be the bright move you think it is. Leftist on the other hand will be much more legitimate to do that.
But I know how to recognize a leftist when I see one. And I didn't see any here.
Again. Like Van, you are making the mistake than because I'm telling you that there are two clear side, you think that I'm telling you that there is no nuance.
This is not the case. Let me show you what I told to Van:
As you can see, two side, a dark and a bright one. BUT with nuance inside of them. And INSIDE those nuance (if you were to zoom in really close) you would find little cluster of color of the other side. Because even in the left, there are rightist biases and in the Right, there are progressive ideas.
My vision of politic.. in reality, in far for complex than you think. Its simply, clearly structured.
And for saying that. Its obvious that you are a [FIND YOUR LABEL HERE] and I'm not proud of you.
Antifascist are not always peacefull lol
There are not supposed to be. They are the front line of defense against fascists.
You might not know that, but Antifa actually have groups in a lot of important places of the western world where fascists are growing in power. And what they do is called "de la veille et de la dissuasion" in French. In English you would translate that by watch and deterrence.
They work mostly in the shadow and they are the ones who alerts on the creation of far rights groups. And when those groups are making actions (like taking the streets and beating up muslim or black people) Antifascist will go on the front line in the street to face them, sometimes with violence to make them retriet.
Without antifascists, Trump would not be our first sources of concern.
There are not supposed to be. They are the front line of defense against fascists.
You might not know that, but Antifa actually have groups in a lot of important places of the western world where fascists are growing in power. And what they do is called "de la veille et de la dissuasion" in French. In English you would translate that by watch and deterrence.
They work mostly in the shadow and they are the ones who alerts on the creation of far rights groups. And when those groups are making actions (like taking the streets and beating up muslim or black people) Antifascist will go on the front line in the street to face them, sometimes with violence to make them retriet.
Without antifascists, Trump would not be our first sources of concern.
USA politics used to look like this:
Democrats and Republicans = Work for their constituents, and look after their own business interests.
Now it's this:
Democrats = Sell out to rich people and push horrible old candidates in high positions of power, but also give a lot of the base what they want, and have a lot of people in the party who still care about the country. Was trying to push ANOTHER FAILED OLD PERSON into office, but, finally, the old person in question, Biden, just collapsed fully (like Trump is on the other side), and they had to replace him. Kamala has then saved them from themselves by... not being a crazy ass old white man half the country hates, like Biden and Trump. Literally. Harris just has to NOT BE THOSE TWO and it does so much for so many people's enthusiasm levels.
Republicans = Almost totally sold out to rich people on every level. Anyone who actually respects the Constitution, or Christ, are treated like crap, because people are willing to say whatever it takes to get money and power. Still some good people, but they have to work behind the scenes because if they speak up crazy people will go after them. Like, I always knew the right in the US was willing to sell out Jesus for policy and money, but, this is just ridiculous. These people have no religion, they are literally selling the Bible to try to fundraise for politics. My word.
TLDR: Both parties used to be pretty similar, now both are a mess, but the Republicans are way worse because they lie about everything for the sake of money and power, and the Democrats got lucky Biden got Covid and Trump survived the attempt. The Democrats still suck, and I don't trust them for this, but, MAN, some of the crap I've heard from Republicans in the last few months has actually blown me away. Brainwashing is real, and it's fucking scary. And I don't mean hypno beams or some shit, I just mean the media turning people mad with lies and propaganda. It's so hard for people to figure out what to trust.
Democrats and Republicans = Work for their constituents, and look after their own business interests.
Now it's this:
Democrats = Sell out to rich people and push horrible old candidates in high positions of power, but also give a lot of the base what they want, and have a lot of people in the party who still care about the country. Was trying to push ANOTHER FAILED OLD PERSON into office, but, finally, the old person in question, Biden, just collapsed fully (like Trump is on the other side), and they had to replace him. Kamala has then saved them from themselves by... not being a crazy ass old white man half the country hates, like Biden and Trump. Literally. Harris just has to NOT BE THOSE TWO and it does so much for so many people's enthusiasm levels.
Republicans = Almost totally sold out to rich people on every level. Anyone who actually respects the Constitution, or Christ, are treated like crap, because people are willing to say whatever it takes to get money and power. Still some good people, but they have to work behind the scenes because if they speak up crazy people will go after them. Like, I always knew the right in the US was willing to sell out Jesus for policy and money, but, this is just ridiculous. These people have no religion, they are literally selling the Bible to try to fundraise for politics. My word.
TLDR: Both parties used to be pretty similar, now both are a mess, but the Republicans are way worse because they lie about everything for the sake of money and power, and the Democrats got lucky Biden got Covid and Trump survived the attempt. The Democrats still suck, and I don't trust them for this, but, MAN, some of the crap I've heard from Republicans in the last few months has actually blown me away. Brainwashing is real, and it's fucking scary. And I don't mean hypno beams or some shit, I just mean the media turning people mad with lies and propaganda. It's so hard for people to figure out what to trust.
- First, that's not what fascism is.
- Second, censoring/using violence against harmfull ideologies and individuals who have extrem harmfull and oppressive behavior - if said individual are left unchecked - is perfectly legitimate.
To understand why, here are ressources on the nature of Fascism from the Leftist Library :
- [VIDEO] - What is fascism ?
- [RESSOURCE] - A practical guide for understanding and identifying "Ur Fascism" - Umberto Eco's speech - IMPORTANT