Controversial RELIGIONS & SPIRITUALITIES : Conversations

[Zenos7]

God is dead and we have killed him

 

[Mathias]

Monotheists have been waiting for armageddon for thousands of years as if they are waiting for Godot

 

[Etzel Andergast]

it isnt, but god isnt required for the universe to exist then.

An universe can be eternal and still created by god. The "creation" in this sense its not the same of our common sense of creation. It's about metaphysical dependence. God "created" an eternal universe, means that the eternal universe depends it's being on God's being. Doesnt matter if timely the universe always existed

 

[Zenos7]

An universe can be eternal and still created by god. The "creation" in this sense its not the same of our common sense of creation. It's about metaphysical dependence. God "created" an eternal universe, means that the eternal universe depends it's being on God's being. Doesnt matter if timely the universe always existed

and a universe can be eternal and not be created by god in case of god not existing.

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An universe can be eternal and still created by god. The "creation" in this sense its not the same of our common sense of creation. It's about metaphysical dependence. God "created" an eternal universe, means that the eternal universe depends it's being on God's being. Doesnt matter if timely the universe always existed

and the universe could be created by a god in the sense of deism instead of theism, and then all the major religions would still be delusional as fuck.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

An universe can be eternal and still created by god. The "creation" in this sense its not the same of our common sense of creation. It's about metaphysical dependence. God "created" an eternal universe, means that the eternal universe depends it's being on God's being. Doesnt matter if timely the universe always existed

Creatio ab aeterna

 

[Zenos7]

Monotheists have been waiting for armageddon for thousands of years as if they are waiting for Godot

not even just "waiting", some have been claiming its around the corner for thousands of years lul

 

[Mathias]

not even just "waiting", some have been claiming its around the corner for thousands of years lul

Dude baldness is about to be cured, it’s only 2years away bro

 

[Etzel Andergast]

and a universe can be eternal and not be created by god in case of god not existing.

Yes

and the universe could be created by a god in the sense of deism instead of theism, and then all the major religions would still be delusional as fuck.

Not a philosophical concern, not my concern

 

[Zenos7]

Not a philosophical concern, not my concern

deism is a philosophical position, what are you on about here?

 

[Etzel Andergast]

deism is a philosophical position, what are you on about here?

Its not a necessary condition to deism the idea of god not interacting with the universe after the creation.
So I meant if deism is right is not a philosophical concern because there is no way to philosophically prove that god interact with the universe or not. So if the religions are being delusional or not is not a philosophical concern for this specific reason

 

[Zenos7]

Its not a necessary condition to deism the idea of god not interacting with the universe after the creation.
So I meant if deism is right is not a philosophical concern because there is no way to philosophically prove that god interact with the universe or not. So if the religions are being delusional or not is not a philosophical concern for this specific reason

i guess, but i meant a god not interacting with the world as a counter position to theism, my bad.

and in that case, the major religions would be wrong af. i mean, most of them are wrong anyway, since they are mutually exclusive.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

But why do we need to insert a god creating the universe when the universe could just be eternal?

The inherent act of creation in everything is what we call God. No need to 'insert' anything

At least we know the universe is a thing, the same isnt true for any god

Materialism is intellectually limiting

and then all the major religions would still be delusional as fuck.

No religion is delusional. This is a very disrespectful and ignorant statement.

 

[Zenos7]

The inherent act of creation in everything is what we call God. No need to 'insert' anything

"god" isnt a clear cut concept and differs alot in meaning depending on who you ask.

Materialism is intellectually limiting

im not a materialist, i just dont believe in shit that has no evidence supporting it

No religion is delusional. This is a very disrespectful and ignorant statement.

ok fluffy

 

[Etzel Andergast]

i guess, but i meant a god not interacting with the world as a counter position to theism, my bad.

and in that case, the major religions would be wrong af. i mean, most of them are wrong anyway, since they are mutually exclusive.

I defend the idea that religions can share the same metaphysical ground, even not having the same theology. Catholicism, islamism, judaism, hinduism and ancient greek religion, for instance, are all classical theist religions. These religion "share" the same god in this sense (unlike some protestant denominations, some pagan religions, buddism that are not classical theist). But theologically and soteriologically talking they are incompatible

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

im not a materialist, i just dont believe in shit that has no evidence supporting it

''Glaube keiner Statistik die du nicht selbst gefälscht hast''

ok fluffy

Ofc you wouldn't understand😂

But theologically and soteriologically talking they are incompatible

With a little creativity all religions are compatible

 

[Zenos7]

I defend the idea that religions can share the same metaphysical ground, even not having the same theology. Catholicism, islamism, judaism, hinduism and ancient greek religion, for instance, are all classical theist religions. These religion "share" the same god in this sense (unlike some protestant denominations, some pagan religions, buddism that are not classical theist). But theologically and soteriologically talking they are incompatible

so the same god is resonsible for vastly different religions?

and you even included polytheistic religions.

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'Glaube keiner Statistik die du nicht selbst gefälscht hast''

didnt expect you to be anti-science

Ofc you wouldn't understand😂

you are infected with the logiko syndrome, where me disagreeing equals me not understanding.

the circumcision talk broke you my guy

With a little creativity all religions are compatible

yeah no. not a single individual who believes in the trinity or is an adherent to a polytheistic religion will go to heaven if islam is true.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

so the same god is resonsible for vastly different religions?

and you even included polytheistic religions.

All what I'm saying is that these religion share the same conception of god.

I know this can sound crazy, but hinduism and the ancient greek religion are not monotheism

 

[Zenos7]

All what I'm saying is that these religion share the same conception of god.

I know this can sound crazy, but hinduism and the ancient greek religion are not monotheism

yes, and obviously monotheism and polytheism dont share the same conception of god. and in islam christanity isnt even accepted as a different monotheistic religion because of the trinity.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

you are infected with the logiko syndrome, where me disagreeing equals me not understanding.

Your statements regarding religion and spirituality are consistently materialistic, negative and atheistic and your outlook on life seems cynical and nihilistic.

and you even included polytheistic religions.

Why not?

didnt expect you to be anti-science

I am not, but I'm not a materialist either.

if islam is true.

All religions may be true in their own way

 

[Etzel Andergast]

yes, and obviously monotheism and polytheism dont share the same conception of god. and in islam christanity isnt even accepted as a different monotheistic religion because of the trinity.

Oh I digit the wrong word. I mean "hinduism and ancient greek religion are not polytheism"
Hinduism is literally monotheism