Wasn’t Laboon shown smashing into the Red Line when the SHs saw him? Because he was still trying to find his friends? If that was Yorki, he clearly hadn’t reunited with Laboon by the time of the Reverse Mountain arc. I don’t get why it’d take him over 50 years to sail back to Reverse Mountain. Not to mention that he’d be over 90 years old by now
Speculations The Return of Scopper Gaban
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....the point of my response was because you all of a sudden "dont care about sillhouettes" yet ironically cant count 6 sillhouettes in the Mariejoa scenes and still SWEAR that its Jupiter. You are proving my point.
Its hypocritical because now all of a sudden a character that has a pretty clearly defined sillhouette shape (a person with a clear Wano strawhat thats drinking, similarly to the person with Crocus), you cant trust it.
Okay
Or he's just dead lol. Occam's Razor bruh. Why would Oda create a ridiculously convoluted backstory for a flashback character who serves no purpose but to overshadow Brook's own goal?
You misunderstood what I said, I said "Elbaf or anywhere else". As in, why tease a design for a character Luffy and crew will never meet outside of Brook seeing Laboon again? Why tease that character at all 12 years ago if the reader wont see him in the actual story doing anything?
His design is irrelevant, especially if said person is traveling grandline, he can be dressed however he wants, hes not native to any island.
Why does he have to show this? He showed said person entering Grandline, thats it.
Okay lol
Just an FYI, Oda has shown Crocus and Laboon since this cover page, and this person is nowhere in sight:
But go ahead, act like they are just offscreen and havent left the twin capes lol
Its hypocritical because now all of a sudden a character that has a pretty clearly defined sillhouette shape (a person with a clear Wano strawhat thats drinking, similarly to the person with Crocus), you cant trust it.
Okay
Or he's just dead lol. Occam's Razor bruh. Why would Oda create a ridiculously convoluted backstory for a flashback character who serves no purpose but to overshadow Brook's own goal?
You misunderstood what I said, I said "Elbaf or anywhere else". As in, why tease a design for a character Luffy and crew will never meet outside of Brook seeing Laboon again? Why tease that character at all 12 years ago if the reader wont see him in the actual story doing anything?
His design is irrelevant, especially if said person is traveling grandline, he can be dressed however he wants, hes not native to any island.
Why does he have to show this? He showed said person entering Grandline, thats it.
Okay lol
Just an FYI, Oda has shown Crocus and Laboon since this cover page, and this person is nowhere in sight:
But go ahead, act like they are just offscreen and havent left the twin capes lol
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Yes, the “sixth silhoutte” that is an absolutely enormous sandworm that has completely shrunk to a small undefined blob.
Did anyone think that Vegapunk was a hugely brained Einstein design based on his silhouette?
The top half of the head is cut off so we can’t tell if it’s a hat or a weird head, and he’s crouched over so we can’t get a good look at the body.
Lmao.
Yorki is a vastly more important character than Gaban is thus far.
But Gaban can apparently have a huge role but Yorki can’t?
Talk about Occam’s Razor, why does Yorki not get shown dying with the rest but instead leaves seriously ill, but alive, and swearing to return?
Suggests the author has another purpose for the character
And unless Yorki has somehow got to Laugh Tale, don’t see how it overshadows Brook’s goal. You‘ve already had pointed out to you, the promise to Laboon is not “we will be back”, it’s “we will be back after circumventing the Grand Line.” That’s why Brook never visited him again during the timeskip. That’s why Laboon was smashing his head against the Red Line, to get to the other side.
This argument makes zero sense.
The guy has had one appearance, in a cover, that only the hardcore fans will remember. This is not one of the huge unsolved mysteries of One Piece that Oda is drilling into readers, the guy is not Imu.
A small tease for what will be a future reward to Brook is a reward in of itself to all the Brook fans. Just as much as a tease for him being Gaban would be a reward for people who are interested in him being Gaban.
Really ironic that you started this whole thing acting supercilious about “ oh, why does everything have to be about powerscaling“ when your attitude is clearly that Brook just isn’t really very important? One cover story character has to be a massive big deal, a Roger Pirate come to give secret knowledge to Luffy.
Couldn’t possibly be small setup for Brook that doesn’t have earth-shattering consequences and is just a nice emotional moment.
His design is the entire reason people think he is Shiki, Gaban or Yorki. It’s not irrelevant when it provides almost all the meet for speculation.
You are literally arguing based on his design that he is the same person as from this chapter.
Oda has also shown all the Grand Line, including parts the man would need to go to if he was heading to Elbaf like Saobody, multiple times. Where his old First Mate and dear friend would be. And yet the person is nowhere in sight there. Could have also been shown at that random wedding with Shanks, or maybe in the Sea Forest looking at the empty Poneglyph place, but didn’t.
So he’s been offscreened anyway. You’re going to argue that Oda couldn’t do any of the above because that would make it too obvious it was Gaban, I‘m going to say Oda couldn’t keep showing him around Reverse Mountain or it would be obvious it was Yorki.
Did anyone think that Vegapunk was a hugely brained Einstein design based on his silhouette?
The top half of the head is cut off so we can’t tell if it’s a hat or a weird head, and he’s crouched over so we can’t get a good look at the body.
Lmao.
Yorki is a vastly more important character than Gaban is thus far.
But Gaban can apparently have a huge role but Yorki can’t?
Talk about Occam’s Razor, why does Yorki not get shown dying with the rest but instead leaves seriously ill, but alive, and swearing to return?
Suggests the author has another purpose for the character
And unless Yorki has somehow got to Laugh Tale, don’t see how it overshadows Brook’s goal. You‘ve already had pointed out to you, the promise to Laboon is not “we will be back”, it’s “we will be back after circumventing the Grand Line.” That’s why Brook never visited him again during the timeskip. That’s why Laboon was smashing his head against the Red Line, to get to the other side.
This argument makes zero sense.
The guy has had one appearance, in a cover, that only the hardcore fans will remember. This is not one of the huge unsolved mysteries of One Piece that Oda is drilling into readers, the guy is not Imu.
A small tease for what will be a future reward to Brook is a reward in of itself to all the Brook fans. Just as much as a tease for him being Gaban would be a reward for people who are interested in him being Gaban.
Really ironic that you started this whole thing acting supercilious about “ oh, why does everything have to be about powerscaling“ when your attitude is clearly that Brook just isn’t really very important? One cover story character has to be a massive big deal, a Roger Pirate come to give secret knowledge to Luffy.
Couldn’t possibly be small setup for Brook that doesn’t have earth-shattering consequences and is just a nice emotional moment.
His design is the entire reason people think he is Shiki, Gaban or Yorki. It’s not irrelevant when it provides almost all the meet for speculation.
You are literally arguing based on his design that he is the same person as from this chapter.
Oda has also shown all the Grand Line, including parts the man would need to go to if he was heading to Elbaf like Saobody, multiple times. Where his old First Mate and dear friend would be. And yet the person is nowhere in sight there. Could have also been shown at that random wedding with Shanks, or maybe in the Sea Forest looking at the empty Poneglyph place, but didn’t.
So he’s been offscreened anyway. You’re going to argue that Oda couldn’t do any of the above because that would make it too obvious it was Gaban, I‘m going to say Oda couldn’t keep showing him around Reverse Mountain or it would be obvious it was Yorki.
Gaban is already dead.
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The Gorosei are the size of skyscrapers, you are stuck on the idea that Oda didnt accurately portray Jupiter compared to the others lmao?
Ironic, you can count to 6 and still deny it lol
And yet we have a complete body to compare here, what even is this argument lol?
Arent you the one saying 90 year old Yorki is just sitting the for rest of the series waiting for Brook to come back?
You just arguing to argue or?
Or it was just a way for Oda to explain this scene lol:
Crocus claims 400 chapters before that they left grandline from a reliable source. It was Oda's way of addressing this point because if they (i.e. the ship) didnt, then Crocus is an assuming asshole lol.
Doesnt matter if it doesnt overstep on his goal, it matters because "emotionally" Laboon has reunited with a Rumbar pirate already. It does shit on Brook's entire character, regardless of what the actual dream is. Bro waited 52 years to show up Brook lol.
You are like one of 5 people who thinks its Yorki bro. Dont act like you have a massive fanbase behind you thinking its Yorki lmao.
Or I think Yorki being alive utterly ruins Brook's backstory and character relationship with Laboon, but sure, lets make up nonsense about me thinking Brook isnt important. I dont think Yorki makes anything better for Brook.
Lol, once again, misunderstanding my point. Im talking about his clothing design. You said this person isnt a giant or wearing viking clothing, Im saying that its not relevant if he's the person talking to crocus and traveling grand line
Okay bro, whatever you say. Says the person who thinks Yorki should have a bigger plot importance than Gaban, will never be shown again until the EoS because Oda isnt drawing him with Crocus.
Ironic, you can count to 6 and still deny it lol
And yet we have a complete body to compare here, what even is this argument lol?
Arent you the one saying 90 year old Yorki is just sitting the for rest of the series waiting for Brook to come back?
You just arguing to argue or?
Or it was just a way for Oda to explain this scene lol:
Crocus claims 400 chapters before that they left grandline from a reliable source. It was Oda's way of addressing this point because if they (i.e. the ship) didnt, then Crocus is an assuming asshole lol.
Doesnt matter if it doesnt overstep on his goal, it matters because "emotionally" Laboon has reunited with a Rumbar pirate already. It does shit on Brook's entire character, regardless of what the actual dream is. Bro waited 52 years to show up Brook lol.
You are like one of 5 people who thinks its Yorki bro. Dont act like you have a massive fanbase behind you thinking its Yorki lmao.
Or I think Yorki being alive utterly ruins Brook's backstory and character relationship with Laboon, but sure, lets make up nonsense about me thinking Brook isnt important. I dont think Yorki makes anything better for Brook.
Lol, once again, misunderstanding my point. Im talking about his clothing design. You said this person isnt a giant or wearing viking clothing, Im saying that its not relevant if he's the person talking to crocus and traveling grand line
Okay bro, whatever you say. Says the person who thinks Yorki should have a bigger plot importance than Gaban, will never be shown again until the EoS because Oda isnt drawing him with Crocus.
Am I the first person in this thread to say that the silhouette is probably Saul? I know that's a boring answer, but it seems like it's the most likely to me. We still haven't actually seen him since he got his burns from Ohara. Oda's probably waiting to reveal what he looks like. And we've seen him waiting around on Elbaf back in chapter 1114.
It could be Loki, I guess. We don't know what he looks like either. And he probably knows that the other Giants went out to collect Luffy. He could be waiting for the Giant Pirates to make it back.
I doubt it'll be Shiki. There's really no reason for him to be here. Plus, I don't think Oda will have Shiki be relevant to the current story. He's a movie villain first and foremost, even if he is semi-canon. I don't think Oda's going to reveal anything about Shiki that's going to directly contradict Strong World. Shiki probably just survived the fall and is hiding out on the surface. At most, he might get another cameo. But, I'm not expecting him to show up and be integral to the plot.
And I also doubt it's Scopper Gaban. If Scopper's going to show up anywhere, I think it'll probably be on Lodestar. All the Roger Pirates seem to have set themselves up at common "funnel" points for many pirates making the journey on the Grand Line. Places where pirate crews almost HAVE to pass through, if only to keep a eye on the new rookies. Reverse Mountain, because you have to cross that to even enter the Grand Line. Sabaody, because you need the bubble coating for your ship to go underwater. And someone's probably at Lodestar, because that's usually where Pirates first find out about the Poneglyphs, somehow, and it's where all the Log Poses end up pointing to. I don't even know if I think Scopper Gaban will actually be on Lodestar or not. But, that's the most likely spot where either Scopper or another member of the Roger Pirates would be set up and waiting.
Elbaf just doesn't seem like one of these "funnel" points. Shanks probably keeps most pirates off his island. I don't think the other Roger Pirates would set up shop there. But, maybe I'm wrong?
It could be Loki, I guess. We don't know what he looks like either. And he probably knows that the other Giants went out to collect Luffy. He could be waiting for the Giant Pirates to make it back.
I doubt it'll be Shiki. There's really no reason for him to be here. Plus, I don't think Oda will have Shiki be relevant to the current story. He's a movie villain first and foremost, even if he is semi-canon. I don't think Oda's going to reveal anything about Shiki that's going to directly contradict Strong World. Shiki probably just survived the fall and is hiding out on the surface. At most, he might get another cameo. But, I'm not expecting him to show up and be integral to the plot.
And I also doubt it's Scopper Gaban. If Scopper's going to show up anywhere, I think it'll probably be on Lodestar. All the Roger Pirates seem to have set themselves up at common "funnel" points for many pirates making the journey on the Grand Line. Places where pirate crews almost HAVE to pass through, if only to keep a eye on the new rookies. Reverse Mountain, because you have to cross that to even enter the Grand Line. Sabaody, because you need the bubble coating for your ship to go underwater. And someone's probably at Lodestar, because that's usually where Pirates first find out about the Poneglyphs, somehow, and it's where all the Log Poses end up pointing to. I don't even know if I think Scopper Gaban will actually be on Lodestar or not. But, that's the most likely spot where either Scopper or another member of the Roger Pirates would be set up and waiting.
Elbaf just doesn't seem like one of these "funnel" points. Shanks probably keeps most pirates off his island. I don't think the other Roger Pirates would set up shop there. But, maybe I'm wrong?
Because it will be emotionally satisfying. I think Greg once said this, but remember how happy Brook was when he found out Laboon was still alive?
Well Yorki would be the one to reverse that and tell brook how glad he is that he's still alive since Laboon himself can't speak. It will be a sweet reward for every character involved and honestly the emotional pay off outweighs any issues you might have with Yorki still being alive.
Let's not act like Yorki isn't important. This man has been tied to Crocus, Laboon and eventually Brook since reverse mountain when he was introduced
Well Yorki would be the one to reverse that and tell brook how glad he is that he's still alive since Laboon himself can't speak. It will be a sweet reward for every character involved and honestly the emotional pay off outweighs any issues you might have with Yorki still being alive.
Let's not act like Yorki isn't important. This man has been tied to Crocus, Laboon and eventually Brook since reverse mountain when he was introduced
