Controversial The hijacking of western entertainment made for men

but see, you don't get their agenda

they wanted to portray the jedi as bad cops that go after minorities

and use excuses to kill them

that's Acolyte's objective with this idea

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oh nvm, I honestly stay away from all the anti woke shit so I probably didn't get the complaining about any messaging. I think there are fair critiques to everything without going all culture war into it.

But if that's the message is just stupid to include into a franchise like star wars. The Sith should always be evil, even in the face of a flawed jedi.
 
It's like trying to insert shades of gray into LOTR.
They tried that with rings of power. Until the last episode Sauron was a "good guy" and Galadriel was the baddie. At the season finale Sauron became evil and Galadriel stayed a insufferable b****.

It's sad amazon greenlighted a second season to butcher more of Master Tolkiens life's work.
 
You try to make a show where the Jedi are the baddies(badly written btw), Sith are the good guys and you will fail because that's just not understanding what the story is about.
YAnd here it's you who don't understand. The sith are bad, yes, at least all those we know, but the Jedia are NOT the good guys. In fact they failed to prevent the rise of the empire specifically because their ideology was fundamentally flawed and sectarist.

Star wars is fundamentally anti imperialist and anti-fascist. The acolyte's idea to dive on the Jedi's flawed ideology and action was completely right.

They just did it in a boring way.
 
YAnd here it's you who don't understand. The sith are bad, yes, at least all those we know, but the Jedia are NOT the good guys. In fact they failed to prevent the rise of the empire specifically because their ideology was fundamentally flawed and sectarist.
No, you are the one who doesn't understand. The Jedi failed because they seceded to much power to the republic and politics.

George Lucas himself said the story is a simple good vs bad guys. The Jedi are people who strive for selflessness while the Sith are full of selfish desires. The creator himself admits this.
Star wars is fundamentally anti imperialist and anti-fascist. The acolyte's idea to dive on the Jedi's flawed ideology and action was completely right.
Yes, and the Jedi are the ones who fight against that, to make them willing agents of that and Sith the anti fascist is ignoring decades of world building by George Lucas.

They just did it in a boring way.
No, they misunderstand the story. When the creator himself says X, you can't be saying it's Y.
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They tried that with rings of power. Until the last episode Sauron was a "good guy" and Galadriel was the baddie. At the season finale Sauron became evil and Galadriel stayed a insufferable b****.

It's sad amazon greenlighted a second season to butcher more of Master Tolkiens life's work.
@Chairman TheAncientCenturion is this true? bruh
 
The Jedi failed because they seceded to much power to the republic and politics.
To be fair: the Sith under the rule of Plagueis outplayed the republic and the jedi brilliantly. Not only by politics,but also by destabilize the outer regions by donating money to rivaling partys to provoke conflicts. Thanks to the Ruusan Reformation the Republic was unable to restabilize the outer regions.
 
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Everything about Dustborn is so hilarious. It's a perfect example of why forced political agenda in entertainment is always trash.
I have no idea who were they aiming this towards

nor do I understand why EU funded it
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hold up was it EU or some government??
 
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No, you are the one who doesn't understand. The Jedi failed because they seceded to much power to the republic and politics.
No LMAO. They failed because they did not see the danger that was Anakin.

The entire Prelogy is about the story of Anakin whose emotions are used against him and the Jedi because the Jedi order do not understand how to process them positively.

The Jedi failed because Sidious used their ideology and arrogance against them.


George Lucas himself said the story is a simple good vs bad guys.
Yeah, he also said that Star wars was about the Vietnam war and the rebels were the Vietcong while the Empire was the US.

Star wars is fundamentally political, anti-imperialist and antifascist. And those who don't see that are simply blind to the purpose of this story.

The Jedi are meant to represent a power that is arrogant and flawed to the point of said power allows fascism to rise under thunderer applauds.


The Jedi are people who strive for selflessness while the Sith are full of selfish desires.
Yes. This does not negate the fact that they are fundamentally sectarist and imperialists.


Yes, and the Jedi are the ones who fight against that, to make them willing agents of that and Sith the anti fascist is ignoring decades of world building by George Lucas.
You completely missed the point of the story of the Acolyte if you think they tried to represent the sith as anti-fascists.

It's much more complicated than that.

The point of this season was to show multiple things :

- The Jedi imperialist and arrogant ideology is what can create problems (like the murder of the mother)
- The Jedi imperialism is trying to prevent other culture to use the force as they wish
- The Sithhave a culture where the usage of the force is seen as problematic by the Jedi, which pushes them back and therefore transform them into what they are (murderers)

The Jedi are not the good guys, but they are not the bad guy either. That's why this show is closer to Game of throne than to Kenobi for example.

Nothing was ignored. The worldbuilding was simply expanded. The imperialism and sectarism of the Jedi was already present since the beginning of Star wars.


No, they misunderstand the story. When the creator himself says X, you can't be saying it's Y.
What you don't understand is that the creator actually said Y and not X.

You just missed the point of the story.
 
No LMAO. They failed because they did not see the danger that was Anakin.

The entire Prelogy is about the story of Anakin whose emotions are used against him and the Jedi because the Jedi order do not understand how to process them positively.
Did you watch the prequels? The Jedi council were fully aware of how unstable Anakin was, Obi Wan was the one who kept pushing for him.


The Jedi failed because Sidious used their ideology and arrogance against them.
To some extent yes, but that literally doesn't take away from what I've said. Sidious used the politics the Jedi seded to ultimately gain control

Yeah, he also said that Star wars was about the Vietnam war and the rebels were the Vietcong while the Empire was the US.

Star wars is fundamentally political, anti-imperialist and antifascist. And those who don't see that are simply blind to the purpose of this story.
Are you fucking stupid, can you not hold two thoughts at once? How does what I've said contradict anything you said?

George Lucas is clear that Star Wars is anti imperialist, he also makes clear the Jedi's are the anti imperialist force. These two are not conflicting thoughts.


The Jedi are meant to represent a power that is arrogant and flawed to the point of said power allows fascism to rise under thunderer applauds.
No they are not. Lucas himself says the Jedi are the selfless entity of the world, they are not meant to represent a power that is arrogant.

Are they flawed? yes, I literally said that. But it is more because they being the good guys let the democracy handle the political affairs and ultimately came to bite them in the ass.




Yes. This does not negate the fact that they are fundamentally sectarist and imperialists.
Again they are not, Lucas calls them the good guys. You are projecting headcanon into the Jedi.

You completely missed the point of the story of the Acolyte if you think they tried to represent the sith as anti-fascists.
Pretty sure the showrunner saying "I relate to the Sith guy who just wants to live as himself" is projecting the Sith as anti fascist.


- The Jedi imperialist and arrogant ideology is what can create problems (like the murder of the mother)
Ah yes, the mother who was literally using hostile powers. Nobody with a right mental state would say that wasn't warranted
- The Jedi imperialism is trying to prevent other culture to use the force as they wish
- The Sithhave a culture where the usage of the force is seen as problematic by the Jedi, which pushes them back and therefore transform them into what they are (murderers)
Again, those people were literally threatening to the Jedi and appear to use a dark force like ability to turn into a demon. Anybody with a brain would think she was attacking them.

They could've done more to make the witches sympathetic but instead it looks like a clear self defense case, to imo is shit writing.

The Jedi are not the good guys, but they are not the bad guy either.
George Lucas makes it clear they are the good guys, as flawed as they can be they ultimately are the moral compass of the story.



That's why this show is closer to Game of throne than to Kenobi for example.
Yes, and this is the issue.

Star Wars will never be GOT, and it shouldn't. Star Wars is a classic Good V Evil story like LOTR. This is like trying to make a show like Naruto into Berserk, it was never meant to be like that.


What you don't understand is that the creator actually said Y and not X.
The fact that you think a Star Wars show being like GOT is good shows that only one person here misunderstands and it isn't me
 

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I have no idea who were they aiming this towards

nor do I understand why EU funded it
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hold up was it EU or some government??
Since the game was made under DEI, the Government had to fund some of it($150k to be exact).

The developers said the game was made in response to Trump winning 2016. It's a bunch of "diverse" characters(a black female, an overweight woman, a trans man, a gay dude and a robot are the leads) using words as weapons against the evil Republic of America that thrives off bigotry.

A literal spite game.
 

AL sama

Red Haired
Since the game was made under DEI, the Government had to fund some of it($150k to be exact).

The developers said the game was made in response to Trump winning 2016. It's a bunch of "diverse" characters(a black female, an overweight woman, a trans man, a gay dude and a robot are the leads) using words as weapons against the evil Republic of America that thrives off bigotry.

A literal spite game.
yeah I saw a little bit of a play through and it was just horrendous beyond words
 
Did you watch the prequels? The Jedi council were fully aware of how unstable Anakin was, Obi Wan was the one who kept pushing for him.
Yeah quite a lol lmao

Mate, the reason why Anakin is instable is because of the Jedi and their rules and because Anakin was too old to fit those rules and didn't get a proper education to handle those emotion positively.

Instead of accepting his emotions. The jedi tought him to repress them. Which is exactly the reason why he exploded at the end.

And while yes, they senced something, they continued to push Anakin in the hand of the wrong people (Palpatine) knowing full well that it was a risky business.


To some extent yes, but that literally doesn't take away from what I've said. Sidious used the politics the Jedi seded to ultimately gain control
Yeah, that's what fascists tends to do.


Are you fucking stupid, can you not hold two thoughts at once? How does what I've said contradict anything you said?
You said "it's a simple good guy VS bad guy" when in reality, it's much more complicated than that.


he also makes clear the Jedi's are the anti imperialist force
No. Not at all.

You are confusing anti EMPIRE and anti IMPERIALIST. The Jedi turned against the empire, true. But their power was so massive on the entire galaxy and politic that they were imperialist. Imperialism is a processus of domination from a group or a culture over other groups. And that's what the Jedi were. A force of order that had so much power and influence that they dominated the Galaxy with their vision of the world. Not necessarily by extending their territory, but through ideological imperialism.

The fact that Jedi are able to take force sensitive children all over the galaxy should make you understand the power that they hold over other populations.

That combined with their sectarism and their ideology related to the repression of emotion.. can only lead toward disaster.

And that what Lucas depicted during his prelogy.


No they are not. Lucas himself says the Jedi are the selfless entity of the world, they are not meant to represent a power that is arrogant.
Again, being selfless does not contradict the ideology behind the jedi order. And I doubt Lucas said that the Jedi wasn't meant to be arrogant. Especially when you see episode 3. So either you are lying or Lucas does not understand what he wrote (which would be very surprising since all I've seen from him concures with the idea that yes. He wrote the Jedi to be a flawed system. A system that would inevitably push Anakin to do the worst mistakes and turn to the dark side.

But it is more because they being the good guys let the democracy handle the political affairs and ultimately came to bite them in the ass.
Again, it's not about being good or bad. It's about the system.


Again they are not, Lucas calls them the good guys. You are projecting headcanon into the Jedi.
Yes, they are. When you isolate and teach young people to repress their emotion and not to love in order to gain control and goodness, you are being sectarist and imperialistic when you are doing that on massive scale.

That's literally the point that episode 2 is making in this scene where Anakin is literally bending the rules of the Jedi order to make them say something they don't to suit his desires:


The fact that Anakin needs to bend the rule to be able to find happyness here shows why the system is broken in the first place.



Pretty sure the showrunner saying "I relate to the Sith guy who just wants to live as himself" is projecting the Sith as anti fascist.
No. He is just saying that the Sith guys just wants to be himself (and turned evil because of that). if you want to find Anti-fascist in Star Wars, you need to look at the Rebels.

The Sith are just people who are tracked by the Jedi for using the force in a particular way. And this pushes them toward criminality and the dark path.

Ah yes, the mother who was literally using hostile powers. Nobody with a right mental state would say that wasn't warranted
It was hostile only the moment the Jedi entered are tried to seek the girls.

The power wasn't hostile before that. If you think their power was problematic then yes, I can see why you don't see the problem with the Jedi.

The murder wasn't warranted, that's the point of the show. It's the perception of the Saul and a form of paranoia for the girl's safety that pushed him to murder the mom.

Again, those people were literally threatening to the Jedi
Who literally smashed their way through multiple time and stalked the girls. The threatenning ones were the Jedi, NOT the clan of women.

They had no business busting in in the first place to demand to see the girl.


and appear to use a dark force like ability to turn into a demon.
Not the Dark force. Just the force.

What do you think the force is when the Jedi are doing this ?????



They could've done more to make the witches sympathetic but instead it looks like a clear self defense case, to imo is shit writing.
They did exactly what they needed. I had absolutely no problem understanding that the Witches were sympathetic and the Jedi were the one at fault here. But it seems your biases went in the way.


George Lucas makes it clear they are the good guys, as flawed as they can be they ultimately are the moral compass of the story.
Mate... You should watch Star Wars sometimes :




Star Wars is a classic Good V Evil story like LOTR.
Omg.. say that you don't care about Star Wars without sayin it.

Star Wars is literally about the fact that it's NOT a good VS evil story.

And that's why I said that there needs to be a political section here, for people to be able to understand what they are watching.


The fact that you think a Star Wars show being like GOT is good shows that only one person here misunderstands and it isn't me
Sure
 
>says the jedi are not the good guys
>points to scene where Anakin turns against the Jedi's and its portrayed as clearly villainous turn

lol i forgot arguing Logiko is useless
 
Emotions are a drug to force users, it's not much about having an evil nature as much as having your personality distorted by them. There's a reason why the Jedi preached detachment.
 
>says the jedi are not the good guys
>points to scene where Anakin turns against the Jedi's and its portrayed as clearly villainous turn
This scene is NOT portraying a villainous turn mate, just the sneaky side of Anakin. It's simply Anakin trying to find a way to love. It's the AFTERMATH of that descision that will create a ripple. But this is just a boy trying to love and be loved here.

Things that Jedi do not allow. And that is THOSE RULES that you should find problematics in that scene. In fact Padme says it herself "it must be hard living under those laws".

The villainous turn will come later.


Emotions are a drug to force users,
That's what the Jedi says and yet, all jedi are full of emotions that they repress

There is a difference between being able to have emotion and controling them and having to repress them until their burst out.

The reason why the Jedi praise detachment comes from fear. The fear of losing control. That fear is irrationnal and is a basis for why there is a dark side in the first place. The Jedi do not want to take the responsibilities of their actions.

And that's precisely why it's feminism took back the Jedi subject. The repression of emotion and the toxic behaviors that it leads to is something and important subject to understand why men don't feel like they have a place in society right now. A lot of men's today are Anakins in becoming that could turn very bad, simply because they are living in an environment that told them to repress their feeling that tell them that if they lose control, it won't be their responsibility.

The Acolyte is answering that. By showing that a new way of the force is possible, not Sith, not Jedi. A new way to be ourselves.
 
This scene is NOT portraying a villainous turn mate, just the sneaky side of Anakin. It's simply Anakin trying to find a way to love. It's the AFTERMATH of that descision that will create a ripple. But this is just a boy trying to love and be loved here.

Things that Jedi do not allow. And that is THOSE RULES that you should find problematics in that scene. In fact Padme says it herself "it must be hard living under those laws".

The villainous turn will come later.



That's what the Jedi says and yet, all jedi are full of emotions that they repress

There is a difference between being able to have emotion and controling them and having to repress them until their burst out.

The reason why the Jedi praise detachment comes from fear. The fear of losing control. That fear is irrationnal and is a basis for why there is a dark side in the first place. The Jedi do not want to take the responsibilities of their actions.

And that's precisely why it's feminism took back the Jedi subject. The repression of emotion and the toxic behaviors that it leads to is something and important subject to understand why men don't feel like they have a place in society right now. A lot of men's today are Anakins in becoming that could turn very bad, simply because they are living in an environment that told them to repress their feeling that tell them that if they lose control, it won't be their responsibility.

The Acolyte is answering that. By showing that a new way of the force is possible, not Sith, not Jedi. A new way to be ourselves.
They Jedi control their emotion rather than repress.

Keeping your emotions in check doesn't mean repressing them until the burst out.

The jedi want to avoid losing control of their emotions because as I said it's like a drug for force users. The dark side has always existed, it's natural and it doesn't exist because of the fear felt by jedis.

Feminism (disney) took the jedi subject because it was seen as profitable and influential and they bought it.

No-one told Anakin if he lost control it wasn't his responsibility (apart from the fact that his wife that he shouldn't have didn't care much about it).

No-one forced Anakin to be a jedi, infact he had a hot senator wife and could have just settled with her.

Men who feel estranged don't care about having to be basically priests without attachment and emotions.

Luke didn't go the jedi way and in both canon and EU he fucked up.
 
They Jedi control their emotion rather than repress.
If that was the case, the Jedi would be allowed to marry and fall in love.

We are talking about real repression of emotions here, not simple control. Emotions are seen as a negative thing that we must control before they arrive as a Jedi.

It's simply not healthy.


The jedi want to avoid losing control of their emotions because as I said it's like a drug for force users.
It's not. That's what the Jedi think, but emotions are not a drug, they are simply a path toward negative behavior if not put in check. Lucas showed that clearly with Luke.

Luke let his anger speak against Palpatine and Vador. But he did not use this anger to kill, but to immobilize his father (cut his hand) and the showing him that he is now on part with him. But once done, Luke calmed down and throw his Saber away.

Thus showing that his emotions, however intense they might be, do not control his actions. Luke, in this instant, was more of a Jedi that ANY other jedi of the Republic before him.

Star Wars is not telling us that emotion are a bad thing that should be controlled but channeled for GOOD.

That's the entire point between the anti-fascist fight. When you see angry people throwing rock to Stormtroopers in the streets, breaking windows and burning expensive car.. those are not people who are doing something evil. That's how media and the power depict them. Those are people who use their anger and channel it toward something that is positive. Which is most of the time fights against oppressions.

Anger is not a bad thing as long as you don't use it to hurt people. When used against a real cause, when channeled to fight oppression, said anger can be very positive.

And that's what the story of the force is about and what the Acolyte is trying to show: The force is not Dark or Bright. It's neutral.

The Dark side exist because some force users have been casted out and criminilized. This created a culture of murderers but this is not a fatalist thing.


Feminism (disney) took the jedi subject because it was seen as profitable and influential and they bought it.
Disney is not feminism. And no. It's not profitable to talk about feminism today, just look at the backclash of the Acolyte. So it was a risky choice, not a choice made for profit.


No-one told Anakin if he lost control it wasn't his responsibility (apart from the fact that his wife that he shouldn't have didn't care much about it).
When the Jedi imply that using the dark side of the force transforms you into something you can't control, it a way to strip the responsibility of those who uses the dark side to do bad things.

This is the same rethoric given to defend men who get violent because they are angry. Hence why this is a highly feminist topic to talk about.


No-one forced Anakin to be a jedi, infact he had a hot senator wife and could have just settled with her.
"no one forced you to go into this cult".. Cult work so well because no one are forcing anyone to join or to leave. It's the appeal of the cult that matters and the emotionnal blackmail that said cult creates.

Granted, The jedi is not the worst thing there is. But they have a LOT of issues they need to work on.


Men who feel estranged don't care about having to be basically priests without attachment and emotions.
You should take a look at the number of men who feel emasculated by society who turn toward stoicism and toxic masculine figure like Tate.


Luke didn't go the jedi way and in both canon and EU he fucked up.
Luke invented a new way. But yes. Just like other human, he fucked up. It happens. It doesn't means that being more repressive of emotions was the solution. It was not.
 
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