News One Piece: Vivre Card (Data book)-Discussion Thread

[kurwa]

years of experience is largely irrelevant
whats accomplished within that timeframe far more important and mihawk hasnt done much in years

Of course it matters. It's 30 years of pirating, that's 30 years of possibly hunting both low level and high level pirates/marines and raising bounty little by little.
Kuzan only has like 1 month of piracy to accomplish more things than Mihawk did in 30 years.

And 30+ years of marines secrets.

What marine secrets?
Kuzan was just the muscle of the organization not a spy nor guardian of secrets. Nor are marines a secrecy organization like CP0/CP9

Even Akainu said Kuzan has nothing to do with Navy anymore.

If you were to ask me who's bigger threat to me as a organisation.

A terrorist vs your own spy agency spy turned terrorist with all the secrets.

The bigger threat is the one who co-founded the organization that literally put up bounties on marines.
Thus without Cross Guild, his bounty would not even get past 3bil

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Funny
How you accept character's statements when WB himsefl, Marco and Croco admit that WB declined
And yet you deny Mihawk wo4ds when he thinks there's still a gap between him (and every warlord) and WB

It's not like Mihawk every met WB. He only knows him as the strongest man in the world, but he could sense that WB the stood before him isn't what people say he is, so he tried testing if he really is the strongest man everyone thinks that he is. If anything, Mihawk deserves the credit for sensing the decline in WB that everybody that is not close to WB was oblivious to.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Funny
How you accept character's statements when WB himsefl, Marco and Croco admit that WB declined
And yet you deny Mihawk wo4ds when he thinks there's still a gap between him (and every warlord) and WB

Mihawk hypothesized that there is a gap between the WSM & everyone else (including the Latrines).
He tested it with that slash and knew what Crocodile screamed out from the start. He never cared about fighting WB after that, cuz he knew that this is an old, sick legend making his last stand.

 

[kurwa]

That was a flashback tho. And boas bounty was also revealed despite this meaning boas bounty was changed before the other warlords which doesn’t make sense.

Odds are Oda revealed the bounty, but the bounty didn’t get boosted till after.

Do you even have any idea of the events?

When BB was fighting Boa she already had the bounty, that's why marines were coming after her

 

[The DevilMaster]

people forget that marineford wb was heavily nerfed before even going to battle

bro alrdy got the shiryu stab

And even after these nerfs he was kicking ass while going toe to toe with admirals

Nah bro, everyone is Kaidou, random stabs that go through your body aren't doing anything.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

It doesn't happen to everyone and every time.

I'd say a 10 day extreme fight that was as much ideological as it was physical definitely qualifies.

 

[SakazOuki]

Nah bro, everyone is Kaidou, random stabs that go through your body aren't doing anything.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Mihawk hypothesized that there is a gap between the WSM & everyone else (including the Latrines).
He tested it with that slash and knew what Crocodile screamed out from the start. He never cared about fighting WB after that, cuz he knew that this is an old, sick legend making his last stand.

Mohawk's slash got blocked by jozu lol

WB didn't need to do shit.

Mohawk didn't learn shit there either.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I'd say a 10 day extreme fight that was as much ideological as it was physical definitely qualifies.

It doesn't. Haki blooms often happen in extreme situations, it doesn't mean every extreme situation results in a Haki blood. Did you observe any changes in Luffy's Haki in Dressrossa? I didn't. It didn't happen with Cracker as well. Besides, it only happens when they's room for improvement. What if Akainu reched his peak before fighting Kuzan? He's not gonna grow beyond what his max potential allows just because he's going around having extreme diff battles. Sure, it's equally possible that he didn't reach his max potential, but there's no guarantee that he did grow.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Mohawk's slash got blocked by jozu lol

WB didn't need to do shit.

Mohawk didn't learn shit there either.

The very fact that Marco/Jozu had to step up there was enough.
And Croc's & Marco's words prove that later on.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

It doesn't. Haki blooms often happen in extreme situations, it doesn't mean every extreme situation results in a Haki blood. Did you observe any changes in Luffy's Haki in Dressrossa? I didn't. It didn't happen with Cracker as well. Besides, it only happens when they's room for improvement. What if Akainu reched his peak before fighting Kuzan? He's not gonna grow beyond what his max potential allows just because he's going around having extreme diff battles. Sure, it's equally possible that he didn't reach his max potential, but there's no guarantee that he did grow.

All that to say "maybe. maybe not"

Fighting and beating your exact equal is absolutely a situation that requires someone to go beyond their current level. If Akainu didn't grow, it'd have been a tie. The limbs kuzan lost says otherwise.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I am picking one wank that is ridiculous

“Veteran OP community” You mean Worstgen? 😂😂 with only hundreds of active members?
The general consensus are youtube polls and twitter. Don’t think the world revolves around you and invalidate their opinions.

I've been to all kinds of OP communities, and I've been in this shit long enough to know whose opinions matter whose don't. You'll probably hit this level in the next five or ten years. WG may be a small community, but even worst of us have more knowledge and well defined takes than 99% of the communities that you think defines the general consensus. Even the so called famous YouTubers are utterly clueless about power level opinions.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

The very fact that Marco/Jozu had to step up there was enough.
And Croc's & Marco's words prove that later on.

Bruh

That just shows that WB is not that easy to get to.

Marco literally spells it out.

"You can't go for the king's Head that easily"


Like, that's what commanders are for.



Croco and Marco said those stuff later. Mohawk didn't learn shit from his little slash.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

All that to say "maybe. maybe not"

Fighting and beating your exact equal is absolutely a situation that requires someone to go beyond their current level. If Akainu didn't grow, it'd have been a tie. The limbs kuzan lost says otherwise.

Well, if you have a solid proof, without "maybe or maybe not" to prove to us that he's gotten stronger, we're all ears.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Well, if you have a solid proof, without "maybe or maybe not" to prove to us that he's gotten stronger, we're all ears.

Akainu won. Kuzan lost a limb.

 

[ConquistadoR]

All that to say "maybe. maybe not"

Fighting and beating your exact equal is absolutely a situation that requires someone to go beyond their current level. If Akainu didn't grow, it'd have been a tie. The limbs kuzan lost says otherwise.

Akainu vs Aokiji was an extreme diff for Akainu before they fought, when they fought and after they fought.

Conclusion = Akainu had to go beyond his preskip level to beat Aokiji.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Akainu won. Kuzan lost a limb.

And? Luffy won against Doffy who was stronger than him. I didn't see any Haki bloom. Winning=/=Haki bloom. If you keep on fighting without taking a break, one of them is ought to win regardless of how equal they are, and it happened to be Akainu. If he's got a Haki bloom, he wouldn't have won barely. If they're equal before the bloom, then the blood should've created a significant gap but it didn't.

 

[park_min young]

I've been to all kinds of OP communities, and I've been in this shit long enough to know whose opinions matter whose don't. You'll probably hit this level in the next five or ten years. WG may be a small community, but even worst of US have more knowledge and well defined takes than 99% of the communities that you think defines the general consensus. Even the so called famous YouTubers are utterly clueless about power level opinions.

So you are saying that the opinions you value think a certain way and you don’t care about the actual public opinion. Sounds like you’re just stuck in an echo chamber, and this doesn’t disprove what I said about old gen wank being ridiculous because there definitely is evidence for that by the numbers.

Oh and btw, even the opinions of the “OP scholars” here are divided regarding old gen lol. Go make a MFbeard thread vs Greenbull right now and go see for yourself.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

So you are saying that the opinions you value think a certain way and you don’t care about the actual public opinion. Sounds like you’re just stuck in an echo chamber, and this doesn’t disprove what I said about old gen wank being ridiculous because there definitely is evidence for that by the numbers.

Oh and btw, even the opinions of the “OP scholars” here are divided regarding old gen lol. Go make a MFbeard thread vs Greenbull right now and go see for yourself.

It's not a matter of what I think. It's a matter of what actually transpires in those community. Besides, if I am arguing with what I think of those communities, wouldn't the same apply to you as well? So, spare me the BS about echo chamber.

I did not say the opinions over here are undisputable, but the people over here are far more well informed than anyone you can find online, especially when it comes to power level opinions. Feel free to browse the so called polls that you speak off and read the comments there. It won't take long to realize they have no clue about OP.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Akainu vs Aokiji was an extreme diff for Akainu before they fought, when they fought and after they fought.

Conclusion = Akainu had to go beyond his preskip level to beat Aokiji.

Yeah that's how it works with equal opponents?

And? Luffy won against Doffy who was stronger than him. I didn't see any Haki bloom. Winning=/=Haki bloom. If you keep on fighting without taking a break, one of them is ought to win regardless of how equal they are, and it happened to be Akainu. If he's got a Haki bloom, he wouldn't have won barely. If they're equal before the bloom, then the blood should've created a significant gap but it didn't.

Law contributed.

And g4 was physically stronger than doffy. But with a time limit. King Kong gun was better than anything doffy had.



Aokiji losing a limb permanently is not Akainu winning barely lol.

And the bloom could have happened at the end of the fight. So the gap is there.


Look at how Ace vs Jumbo ended. That's also a near equal fight that lasted multiple days.

But it ended in basically a draw. Ace can be argued to be the winner cause he fell down after jumbo. But neither sufferer any permanent limb loss or maiming. That's how a draw or close win works with equals.

Akainu vs Aokiji had a decisive winner.