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And People still don't understand when I tell them that Hollywood goons are not a bunch of leftists but neoliberals.
No. I don't agree. The state's violence is rarely legitimate.
The point is that you are supposed to gather enough information BEFORE intervening in order to do a good job.
And those information should be enough to understand if this is due to mental health or simple case of violent behavior. Because usually, the one calling is someone who KNOWS the person.
Don't go for the heat if you can't take the heat. You don't see firefighters not expecting to have an accident at some point. Well, it's the same thing here. The police is just resting on the systemic ableism and systemic racism to justify their usage of violence.
And you don't see how crazy this situation is ? Well.. no wonder you don't see the problem..
My point exactly. hence why training is not sufficient and hence why instead of the Police intervening, direct qualified personnal must be able to take those calls.
No. I don't agree. The state's violence is rarely legitimate.
The point is that you are supposed to gather enough information BEFORE intervening in order to do a good job.
And those information should be enough to understand if this is due to mental health or simple case of violent behavior. Because usually, the one calling is someone who KNOWS the person.
Don't go for the heat if you can't take the heat. You don't see firefighters not expecting to have an accident at some point. Well, it's the same thing here. The police is just resting on the systemic ableism and systemic racism to justify their usage of violence.
And you don't see how crazy this situation is ? Well.. no wonder you don't see the problem..
My point exactly. hence why training is not sufficient and hence why instead of the Police intervening, direct qualified personnal must be able to take those calls.
Idk what to say, you guys seem to live in a world of rainbows and stuff. Imagine being called for violent disorders and spending two hours researching the person's history before intervening. And then letting him charge at you because he probably wants a hug. I don't have anything more to say.
They think the police should freeze people using psychic powers or look into the future to see if they are going to harm anyone.
They think the police should freeze people using psychic powers or look into the future to see if they are going to harm anyone.
No. Just in a glass full kinda world. The reason why the police kill people with mental disability is because of the stigma of Ableism and the idea that those people are a threat (even if in some cases, they can be). We are simply telling you that Policemen are not educated to face correctly the problem and it will only end with violence. This need to be taken care of by professionnals.
You don't need a lot of information to understand that the problem is a mental illness and the personn is usually not violent mate.
This is not wrong. But most of that is due to capitalism. But yeah. This doesn't mean that the violence of the state is legitimate or that the state has a monopole of the legitimate violence.
You don't need a lot of information to understand that the problem is a mental illness and the personn is usually not violent mate.
This is not wrong. But most of that is due to capitalism. But yeah. This doesn't mean that the violence of the state is legitimate or that the state has a monopole of the legitimate violence.
That's what you think. But you won't understand the problem even after I give you data, so this discussion is useless
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Anyway guyz (especially men). I want to talk about something I mentionned briefly at the very beginning of this thread (or the Nakama thread I don't remember) but I never went back to:
Your twitter feed.
You see, representation is important. You will often hear me say that, as representation is important for people in minorities or difficulties. But something I don't mention a lot is that representation are made FIRST for people OUTSIDE of those communities.
For example : If we ask media to do more representation of black people, it's because we want people that are not in contact with racialized people to still have a way to stay in touch with this representation. This is done in order to avoid stigmatisation.
So this brings me to twitter: Did you guys ever stopped and made the ratio of different representations in your twitter feed ?
For example: How many of you guys can tell me that they have a simple equal number of women and equal number of men in their subscriptions ? My guess .. looking at what was said in this thread.. will be not many. And yet this is VERY important.
Why ?
Because depending on the gender, what a person will live will greatly differ. And thus the experiences of life will differ too. Same for the creations, the discourses, the argumentations, the behaviors etc. And this applies to the color of skins, to the ethnie, to the sexual preferences.
Let's take me for example. Until a few month ago, my feed was 95% white. I almost had no racialized people in my sub.. so, when a trend started to rise about the violence against black women in France on twitter.. I was simply not aware and completely uneducated on the subject. So I missed the trend until it reached the white circle of feminists that I follow. But this is a problem since white women do not experience the same oppression as racialized women. In other word, I had no way of understanding what a black woman live day by day on the social network.
So, what did I do ? I started to search for good content coming for black and racialized minorities. And since then, I literally have been educated on a LOT of topics such as the oppressions against Tzigans, Kanaki natives, Muslims (even if I understood a lot about that already, and simply what live black women.
So... tell me. When did you last checked your subscriptions ?
If you have a majority of cis and white straight men... I recommend to search for the content of women, of LGBTQI+, black and racialized people, people with disabilities or conditions either mental or physical etc..
Truly, it can only give you a better vision of the world
Think about it :)
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Anyway guyz (especially men). I want to talk about something I mentionned briefly at the very beginning of this thread (or the Nakama thread I don't remember) but I never went back to:
Your twitter feed.
You see, representation is important. You will often hear me say that, as representation is important for people in minorities or difficulties. But something I don't mention a lot is that representation are made FIRST for people OUTSIDE of those communities.
For example : If we ask media to do more representation of black people, it's because we want people that are not in contact with racialized people to still have a way to stay in touch with this representation. This is done in order to avoid stigmatisation.
So this brings me to twitter: Did you guys ever stopped and made the ratio of different representations in your twitter feed ?
For example: How many of you guys can tell me that they have a simple equal number of women and equal number of men in their subscriptions ? My guess .. looking at what was said in this thread.. will be not many. And yet this is VERY important.
Why ?
Because depending on the gender, what a person will live will greatly differ. And thus the experiences of life will differ too. Same for the creations, the discourses, the argumentations, the behaviors etc. And this applies to the color of skins, to the ethnie, to the sexual preferences.
Let's take me for example. Until a few month ago, my feed was 95% white. I almost had no racialized people in my sub.. so, when a trend started to rise about the violence against black women in France on twitter.. I was simply not aware and completely uneducated on the subject. So I missed the trend until it reached the white circle of feminists that I follow. But this is a problem since white women do not experience the same oppression as racialized women. In other word, I had no way of understanding what a black woman live day by day on the social network.
So, what did I do ? I started to search for good content coming for black and racialized minorities. And since then, I literally have been educated on a LOT of topics such as the oppressions against Tzigans, Kanaki natives, Muslims (even if I understood a lot about that already, and simply what live black women.
So... tell me. When did you last checked your subscriptions ?
If you have a majority of cis and white straight men... I recommend to search for the content of women, of LGBTQI+, black and racialized people, people with disabilities or conditions either mental or physical etc..
Truly, it can only give you a better vision of the world
Think about it :)
Because you don't think in a materialistic way.
Immigration is not the problem. The problem are the reason why people are migrating and the reasons why when they arrive, they are parked like animals in small neighborehoods. The violence grow because of the treatment of the state and pauvrety, not because immigratns are violent. They are just people like you and me.
What we ask is for a restructuration of the system that could prevent this pauverty and those discrimination that create violences. But for that, you need to deconstruct/destroy a lot of systemic issues like racism or liberalism.
The defund of the Police can't be done alone, it's part of a restructuration. The reason why you don't understand that is because you think in a liberal way : "this politic will prevent that and this politic will help that" when in reality, all politics are part of a system and if we don't attack the system, nothing will change.
Materialism applied to politics = Seeing the structure behind the political and social behaviors. For ex : It's the understanding that to stop sexism, you can't just tell all the men to "overcome" their sexist bias, you need to do that AND take down the system that create sexist representations and behavior and you need to push people to destroy the patriarchy.
To give you an other example with Worstgen : A liberal way to approach toxicity is me telling people to stop being sexist one by one. A materialistic approach is me trying to change the structure of the forum to push people to be less toxic.
Immigration is not the problem. The problem are the reason why people are migrating and the reasons why when they arrive, they are parked like animals in small neighborehoods. The violence grow because of the treatment of the state and pauvrety, not because immigratns are violent. They are just people like you and me.
What we ask is for a restructuration of the system that could prevent this pauverty and those discrimination that create violences. But for that, you need to deconstruct/destroy a lot of systemic issues like racism or liberalism.
The defund of the Police can't be done alone, it's part of a restructuration. The reason why you don't understand that is because you think in a liberal way : "this politic will prevent that and this politic will help that" when in reality, all politics are part of a system and if we don't attack the system, nothing will change.
Materialism applied to politics = Seeing the structure behind the political and social behaviors. For ex : It's the understanding that to stop sexism, you can't just tell all the men to "overcome" their sexist bias, you need to do that AND take down the system that create sexist representations and behavior and you need to push people to destroy the patriarchy.
To give you an other example with Worstgen : A liberal way to approach toxicity is me telling people to stop being sexist one by one. A materialistic approach is me trying to change the structure of the forum to push people to be less toxic.
