Questions & Mysteries Why is Zoro much more relevant than Luffy to the fandom?

ShishioIsBack

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Chrono said:
Yet PTs he does nothing important other than defeat the villains. At the very least Sanji does things that affect the plot...

- Saving Kinemon
- Deciding to help save Minks
- Baking the cake to stop BM from destroying everyone
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Lets talk that
-I kinda forgot FMI but I pretty sure Zoro saved some straw hats from Hody Jones, had he not did that he woulda killed him. If any straw hat dies, Luffy is frozen hence it halts the story
-In Punk Hazard he saved Nami and Nico Robin from Monet who both woulda been frozen to death. If that happens story gets halted and Luffy gets frozen
-In Dressrosa he saved King Riku and Usopp and Viola from Pica. If he didn't do that a)Luffy would be frozen, Doffy kills him story ends. b)Grand fleet won't be formed due to lack of morale. He also saved Nico Robin and Bartolomeo from Pica who had no means of defending them so once again a)Luffy freezes, Doffy kills him. story ends b)Grand fleet don't form
He also saved every injured Grand Fleet member from Pica, he nearly killed Chinjoa, Harjudin etc if they all died grand fleet won't be formed
-In Wano he saved Luffy and Tama from Hawkins
-Saved Luffy from dying at the hands of Apoo, can you imagine if Apoo kept dropping bombs when Luffy is already incapacitated
-Saved Hiyori, if Hiyori died, 9 scabbards would loose morale and not join the battel

Though why we debating Sanji's importance? You should probably debate with @Red Admiral regarding it who would probably tell you Shanks is more important than Sanji.

I think all straw hats are INCREDIBLY important with EB five being most important. Sanji has never not been important, I would never say he wasn't.
 
Chrono

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ShishioIsBack said:
Lets talk that
-I kinda forgot FMI but I pretty sure Zoro saved some straw hats from Hody Jones, had he not did that he woulda killed him. If any straw hat dies, Luffy is frozen hence it halts the story
-In Punk Hazard he saved Nami and Nico Robin from Monet who both woulda been frozen to death. If that happens story gets halted and Luffy gets frozen
-In Dressrosa he saved King Riku and Usopp and Viola from Pica. If he didn't do that a)Luffy would be frozen, Doffy kills him story ends. b)Grand fleet won't be formed due to lack of morale. He also saved Nico Robin and Bartolomeo from Pica who had no means of defending them so once again a)Luffy freezes, Doffy kills him. story ends b)Grand fleet don't form
He also saved every injured Grand Fleet member from Pica, he nearly killed Chinjoa, Harjudin etc if they all died grand fleet won't be formed
-In Wano he saved Luffy and Tama from Hawkins
-Saved Luffy from dying at the hands of Apoo, can you imagine if Apoo kept dropping bombs when Luffy is already incapacitated
-Saved Hiyori, if Hiyori died, 9 scabbards would loose morale and not join the battel

Though why we debating Sanji's importance? You should probably debate with @Red Admiral regarding it who would probably tell you Shanks is more important than Sanji.

I think all straw hats are INCREDIBLY important with EB five being most important. Sanji has never not been important, I would never say he wasn't.
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Im not talking about only saving SHs. Saving SHs isnt impressive. Since literally every SH save each othwr every arc.

Whats impressive is that Sanji moves the plot along by saving and helping allies....that are detrimental for the plot to go forward. SHs saving SHs isnt as important when looking at that since its been happening since the start of the series.


Zoro has no impact other than beating the bad guys. At best all hes ever done is save Hiyori....but even then she was already on the Scarrbards side. So he really didnt even do much in that department.
 
ShishioIsBack

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Chrono said:
Im not talking about only saving SHs. Saving SHs isnt impressive. Since literally every SH save each othwr every arc.

Whats impressive is that Sanji moves the plot along by saving and helping allies....that are detrimental for the plot to go forward. SHs saving SHs isnt as important when looking at that since its been happening since the start of the series.


Zoro has no impact other than beating the bad guys. At best all hes ever done is save Hiyori....but even then she was already on the Scarrbards side. So he really didnt even do much in that department.
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How is that not important? Fighting is literally the most essential the way One Piece is structured, Luffy's biggest role is beating the big baddy of the arc, like every arc.

Its like saying Luffy is not important to the plot lmao
Zoro's absence in Alabasta, Skypea, EL, TB could have ended the story.
With Sanji its debatable cuz he never faces opponents that Zoro can't beat and yes Luffy would only eat Sanji's food but that's his choice not a necessity, they were surviving on food even before Sanji.
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@Chrono I think you need to realize just how important fighting strong people is to One Piece. Fact that two most prominent characters in the series, Luffy and Zoro, all they really bring to the table is fighting should tell you something.

Yeah Luffy is a captain and Zoro is a Vice Captain but that hardly comes to fruition and is only relevant to world of One Piece but when it comes to inner crew dynamics, everybody is leading themselves.
The most important job of both Luffy and Zoro is to protect the crew, and it was highlighted more than any where else at TB.
 
XGoldrogeRX

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no he isn't lol

oda took zoro for like 2 years at impel down and MF war arc then he took zoro out of picture again at wci for another 2 years but nothing happen in forum. if oda took luffy out of pic for just 1 year I bet half of the reader will drop op lol.
the greatest and most anticipated arc for fans which is marine ford arc doesnt even have zoLo in it lol. he also never top luffy on polling since 20 yrs ago.
 
ShishioIsBack

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XGoldrogeRX said:
no he isn't lol

oda took zoro for like 2 years at impel down and MF war arc then he took zoro out of picture again at wci for another 2 years but nothing happen in forum.
the greatest and most anticipated arc for fans which is marine ford arc doesnt even have zoLo in it lol. he also never top luffy on polling since 20 yrs ago.
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Worth noting One Piece sales have gone down to the point where Demon Slayer is kicking its ass.

It all makes sense, Zoro is so much bigger deal than Luffy, that when he isn't there to draw money, Oda looses his placement as number 1 mangaka.

No shit even when he was drawing WCI, he kept saying "I can't wait to draw Wano" what he really meant is that "I can't wait to bring Zoro back so my sales can go back up" though Oda has already lost too many fans by overexposing Luffy and they ain't coming back.

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comrade said:
Only trumped by Sanji's alpha moment here:

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This is the only time Sanji ever looked Alpha tbh


Though its not even 1/10th as grand of a moment as Zoro's one which is like land mark moment in One Piece history.
 
XGoldrogeRX

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ShishioIsBack said:
Worth noting One Piece sales have gone down to the point where Demon Slayer is kicking its ass.

It all makes sense, Zoro is so much bigger deal than Luffy, that when he isn't there to draw money, Oda looses his placement as number 1 mangaka.

No shit even when he was drawing WCI, he kept saying "I can't wait to draw Wano" what he really meant is that "I can't wait to bring Zoro back so my sales can go back up" though Oda has already lost too many fans by overexposing Luffy and they ain't coming back.

Yep
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This is the only time Sanji ever looked Alpha tbh


Though its not even 1/10th as grand of a moment as Zoro's one which is like land mark moment in One Piece history.
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one piece is going down bcause it's milking and dragging over and over pattern. there is no data that sales goes down bcause zoro wasn't in picture. MF arc stomped your hypothesis.

zoro never been bigger. he never top luffy on character poll for over 23 years of one piece.

his name is lost to luffy in one piece world and on real world fandom lol.


oda wants to draw wano bcause bigger shit will happen here and wci just transition to it and wci was dragged too far even for oda's standart (2 years only for making a good reason to make bm come to wano to make bigger war) . he just wanna repeat his success like MF Arc.
 
ShishioIsBack

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XGoldrogeRX said:
one piece is going down bcause it's milking and dragging over and over pattern. there is no data that sales goes down bcause zoro wasn't in picture. MF arc is stomped yr puny hypothesis.

zoro never been bigger. he never top luffy on character poll for over 23 years of one piece exist.

his name is lost to luffy in one piece world and on real world fandom lol.


oda wants to draw wano bcause bigger shit will happen here and wci just transition to it and wci was dragged too far (2 years only for making a good reason to make bm come to wano to make bigger war) . he just wanna repeat his success like MF Arc.
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Ye ye you can try to run away from facts but facts are in your face.

Post TS Oda started giving Luffy more of a presence and sales went down. Oda was like "I can't wait to draw Wano and have Zoro outshine Luffy so demon slayer won't kick my ass anymore"
And that happened.

Haven't oda told you not to speak ill of Zoro?
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XGoldrogeRX said:
zoro never been bigger. he never top luffy on character poll for over 23 years of one piece.
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Yo so among small sample of maybe 30 thousand people only in Japan, maybe few hundreds more voted for Zoro than Luffy. Such a valid way to determine who is bigger

https://www.thetoptens.com/best-one-piece-characters/
Here probably a sample just as big has voted Zoro over Luffy. So what we talking here?
 
XGoldrogeRX

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ShishioIsBack said:
Ye ye you can try to run away from facts but facts are in your face.

Post TS Oda started giving Luffy more of a presence and sales went down. Oda was like "I can't wait to draw Wano and have Zoro outshine Luffy so demon slayer won't kick my ass anymore"
And that happened.

Haven't oda told you not to speak ill of Zoro?
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we talked about data. real data. popularity poll is facts.

we have 2 times oda took out zoro for 2 years and nothing happen. one piece cant reign forever. naruto death note nana kick its ass too. so demon slayer overcome it no big deal
 
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ShishioIsBack

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XGoldrogeRX said:
we talked about data. real data. popularity poll is facts.

we have 2 times oda took out zoro for 2 years and nothing happen. one piece cant reign forever. naruto kick its ass many times. so demon slayer overcome it no big deal
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Yeah real data shows, when Zoro is missing, fans are missing and Oda gets his ass kicked by demon slayer.
So data supports Zoro is bigger draw than Luffy.

That is obvious right because anime is more main stream than manga and Anime teams spends 80% of their budget on Zoro and gives Luffy power point animation

Obviously Toei is business and they are evaluating cost vs profit and realize spending this much money on Zoro is worth it but not Luffy as Luffy is not as big of a money draw as Zoro?

These are all facts bro bro..don't be denying facts because of your feelings now.
 
XGoldrogeRX

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ShishioIsBack said:
Ye ye you can try to run away from facts but facts are in your face.

Post TS Oda started giving Luffy more of a presence and sales went down. Oda was like "I can't wait to draw Wano and have Zoro outshine Luffy so demon slayer won't kick my ass anymore"
And that happened.

Haven't oda told you not to speak ill of Zoro?
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Yo so among small sample of maybe 30 thousand people only in Japan, maybe few hundreds more voted for Zoro than Luffy. Such a valid way to determine who is bigger

https://www.thetoptens.com/best-one-piece-characters/
Here probably a sample just as big has voted Zoro over Luffy. So what we talking here?
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lmfao tf you took reference from teen pool. take it from real one piece and the only legit source. one piece itself.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Popularity_Polls
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ShishioIsBack said:
Yeah real data shows, when Zoro is missing, fans are missing and Oda gets his ass kicked by demon slayer.
So data supports Zoro is bigger draw than Luffy.

That is obvious right because anime is more main stream than manga and Anime teams spends 80% of their budget on Zoro and gives Luffy power point animation

Obviously Toei is business and they are evaluating cost vs profit and realize spending this much money on Zoro is worth it but not Luffy as Luffy is not as big of a money draw as Zoro?

These are all facts bro bro..don't be denying facts because of your feelings now.
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it's just your puny hypothesis that zoro go away and sales went down.

and I don't really get into the anime since it's full filed with many filler crap.

MF arc is greatest and most read/watched arc and zoro wasn't even there lmfao.
 
ShishioIsBack

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XGoldrogeRX said:
lmfao tf you took reference from teen pool. take it from real one piece and the only legit source. one piece itself.
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Teen poll? You really wanna go demographics route? You know Zoro has won many demographics over Luffy through out the years right?

How do you know everyone voting in that is a teen? Also its better to use that then to use Japanese poll which doesn't show popularity in rest of the world


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it's just your puny hypothesis that zoro go away and sales went down.

and I don't really get into the anime since it's full filed with many filler crap.

MF arc is greatest and most read/watched arc and zoro wasn't even there lmfao.
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Ye it took Marine Ford, it took Whitebeard, Mihawk, Akainu, Shanks, Kizaru, Garp, Aokiji, Ace's death and a full fledged war to make up for Zoro's absence because Oda knows Luffy by himself is not a money draw.

Its either Zoro or a full fledged war. That is proven post TS when Oda gave Luffy too much in WCI and One Piece sales went down hill.

These are realities and not just my hypothesis.
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XGoldrogeRX said:
and I don't really get into the anime since it's full filed with many filler crap.
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Who cares? Casual fans are the biggest source of money because hard core fan base is a very small sample and casual fans generally watch anime over manga.
 
XGoldrogeRX

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ShishioIsBack said:
Teen poll? You really wanna go demographics route? You know Zoro has won many demographics over Luffy through out the years right?

How do you know everyone voting in that is a teen? Also its better to use that then to use Japanese poll which doesn't show popularity in rest of the world



Ye it took Marine Ford, it took Whitebeard, Mihawk, Akainu, Shanks, Kizaru, Garp, Aokiji, Ace's death and a full fledged war to make up for Zoro's absence because Oda knows Luffy by himself is not a money draw.

Its either Zoro or a full fledged war. That is proven post TS when Oda gave Luffy too much in WCI and One Piece sales went down hill.

These are realities and not just my hypothesis.
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Who cares? Casual fans are the biggest source of money because hard core fan base is a very small sample and casual fans generally watch anime over manga.
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teen pool against one piece? what next? quora over the manga? lmao

you talk about sales and I show you how sales went up even without zoro


also we are all know wci is just drag and milk. MF arc was about everyone. but wci is without half of sh not just zoro and let's be honest even with every single sh present we won't get excited to see every single of them play hide and run more worst add zoro there he will be get lost and left alone in WCI while everyone managed to flee lol.
 
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ShishioIsBack

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XGoldrogeRX said:
teen pool against one piece? what next? quota over the manga? lmao

you talk about sales and I show you how sales went even without zoro


also we are all know wci is just drag and milk. MF arc was about everyone. but wci is without half of sh not just zoro and let's be honest even with every single sh present we won't get excited to see every single of them play hide and run more worst add zoro there he will be get lost and left alone in WCI while everyone managed to flee lol.
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Sales went down when Zoro wasn't there in WCI bro, he is biggest money draw that has been established.

Pre TS Oda knew it so only arc he had Zoro miss, he had all the biggest players in manga to make up for it.

In WCI he tried experimenting with Luffy's drawing power and he failed and he realized, "Zoro is needed to keep number 1 spot"

FAXXX
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XGoldrogeRX said:
teen pool against one piece? what next? quota over the manga? lmao
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what are you talking about?
its thetoptens.com , one of the most popular ranking website where 10s if not 100s of thousands of people vote depending on the topic.

That sample is world wide as well unlike Japanese popularity poll
 
XGoldrogeRX

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ShishioIsBack said:
Sales went down when Zoro wasn't there in WCI bro, he is biggest money draw that has been established.

Pre TS Oda knew it so only arc he had Zoro miss, he had all the biggest players in manga to make up for it.

In WCI he tried experimenting with Luffy's drawing power and he failed and he realized, "Zoro is needed to keep number 1 spot"

FAXXX
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one piece loss to demon slayer at 2019.and it was transition between wci and wano. and most of it has zoro in it.
 
Celestial D. Dragon

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ShishioIsBack said:
Worth noting One Piece sales have gone down to the point where Demon Slayer is kicking its ass.

It all makes sense, Zoro is so much bigger deal than Luffy, that when he isn't there to draw money, Oda looses his placement as number 1 mangaka.

No shit even when he was drawing WCI, he kept saying "I can't wait to draw Wano" what he really meant is that "I can't wait to bring Zoro back so my sales can go back up" though Oda has already lost too many fans by overexposing Luffy and they ain't coming back.

Yep
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This is the only time Sanji ever looked Alpha tbh


Though its not even 1/10th as grand of a moment as Zoro's one which is like land mark moment in One Piece history.
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XGoldrogeRX said:
one piece is going down bcause it's milking and dragging over and over pattern. there is no data that sales goes down bcause zoro wasn't in picture. MF arc stomped your hypothesis.

zoro never been bigger. he never top luffy on character poll for over 23 years of one piece.

his name is lost to luffy in one piece world and on real world fandom lol.


oda wants to draw wano bcause bigger shit will happen here and wci just transition to it and wci was dragged too far even for oda's standart (2 years only for making a good reason to make bm come to wano to make bigger war) . he just wanna repeat his success like MF Arc.
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One Piece isn't going down in sales. Orcion only reports physical copies sold, and One Piece still dominates in terms of per volume sales with each one still hitting around the 2 - 2.5 million marker, and who knows how many being sold on the digital front. Demon Slayer is winning out on the overall Volumes sold, which isn't hard to do when you have millions of people buying up 21 volumes worth of product. The same thing happened with AoT, but it just never was able to break through and capture the overall volume sold slot.
 
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