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So parents shouldn't get to choose between schools, the type of food, the city they will be raised or their home, if they will be brought up with religion or not, anything?
Parents have to make decisions on basic needs for their kids all the time. It's literally their job to provide those things and choose among them.
There are many beneficial things that we withhold from kids until they are old enough to understand the drawbacks and can make their own decisions.
You mentioned mental health care, i'm guessing there are very likely many stronger drugs that are just not given to children because of possible side effects and because they are not old enough to make that choice.
By law most countries don't let kids drive, vote, drink alcohol or use the most basic of drugs. Things that have much less impact than that surgery. So i think it 100% should account for the parents' choice, they are responsible for the kid in those situations.
Parents have to make decisions on basic needs for their kids all the time. It's literally their job to provide those things and choose among them.
There are many beneficial things that we withhold from kids until they are old enough to understand the drawbacks and can make their own decisions.
You mentioned mental health care, i'm guessing there are very likely many stronger drugs that are just not given to children because of possible side effects and because they are not old enough to make that choice.
By law most countries don't let kids drive, vote, drink alcohol or use the most basic of drugs. Things that have much less impact than that surgery. So i think it 100% should account for the parents' choice, they are responsible for the kid in those situations.
I don't think you understand mate.
Eating is a basic need. Drinking is a basic need. Healing from depression is a basic need. The types of food you eat, schools or religions are NOT basic needs.
Again, parent should not have a say weither a child should have access or not to basic needs. Healing from gender disphoria is not optional for health, it's a BASIC need.
Eating is a basic need. Drinking is a basic need. Healing from depression is a basic need. The types of food you eat, schools or religions are NOT basic needs.
Again, parent should not have a say weither a child should have access or not to basic needs. Healing from gender disphoria is not optional for health, it's a BASIC need.
Personally i think it's perfectly fine that trans kids start socially transitioning and even using puberty blockers, which are mostly resersible if the person so chooses later down the line, but HRT and gender affirming surgery should be kept until they are old enough to make that permanent choice.
That way the kid is able to experience some changes while they are growing, which will inform them of their final decision once they are old enough to make it.
If HRT and Gender Affirming surgery will be used before they are old enough, than it should be the parents' decision, and also their responsability if they are wrong about it.
That way the kid is able to experience some changes while they are growing, which will inform them of their final decision once they are old enough to make it.
If HRT and Gender Affirming surgery will be used before they are old enough, than it should be the parents' decision, and also their responsability if they are wrong about it.
Which is exactly what happens in real life. GAS (gender affirming surgeries) are only applied to VERY RARE cases and most of the times on CISGENDER minors and ALWAYS above 12 yo.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/f...geries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2820437
No it should not. Again. it's a BASIC NEED. What do you not understand in the term BASIC ???
"if they are wrong" ... Well yeah if they were wrong to say no, they will hold responsibility but the kid will be f*cking DEAD.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/f...geries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2820437
No it should not. Again. it's a BASIC NEED. What do you not understand in the term BASIC ???
"if they are wrong" ... Well yeah if they were wrong to say no, they will hold responsibility but the kid will be f*cking DEAD.
That's great then, i hope they keep it that way
it should be until they are 18 years old though
It's the parents' responsability to make the choice if they are not of age, it's that simple
like i said, the start of assessment and treatment is a basic need, the jump to HRT and gender affirming surgery is not
it should be until they are 18 years old though
It's the parents' responsability to make the choice if they are not of age, it's that simple
like i said, the start of assessment and treatment is a basic need, the jump to HRT and gender affirming surgery is not
I am going to try to find a source, the only source this article seemingly gives is this:
"The Daily Mail interviewed clinical neuropsychologist Tommy MacKay, who criticized, "We have a council that seems to literally accept the fact that a child identifies as a wolf, rather than being told to get out of this situation and deal with themselves, which would be the common-sense approach."
I will try to find that
But I think it's important to also mention the response of the school:
The school reportedly chose to use the Scottish government's guidelines called Getting It Right For Every Child (Girfec) and the "well-being wheel" to support students regardless of the learning obstacles or challenges they encounter. The previous year, a school in Aberdeenshire (Northern Scotland) had to deny rumors about placing a litter box in the bathroom for a child who identified as a cat.
Species Dysphoria
The student in question suffers from species dysphoria or species incongruence. It is a condition experienced by those who do not identify with their birth species. In this case, feeling like a wolf despite being born human. According to psychology, this often causes discomfort and a depressive mood alteration due to the difficulty in being accepted and feeling free to express oneself in the surrounding world. It is less known than gender dysphoria but is a phenomenon that still involves several people. One can feel like belonging to the most disparate animal species. A phenomenon criticized as representative of an era where people want to identify as anything other than what they are.
So another school had the same rumor and denied it,
This may just be made up,
"The Daily Mail interviewed clinical neuropsychologist Tommy MacKay, who criticized, "We have a council that seems to literally accept the fact that a child identifies as a wolf, rather than being told to get out of this situation and deal with themselves, which would be the common-sense approach."
I will try to find that
But I think it's important to also mention the response of the school:
The school reportedly chose to use the Scottish government's guidelines called Getting It Right For Every Child (Girfec) and the "well-being wheel" to support students regardless of the learning obstacles or challenges they encounter. The previous year, a school in Aberdeenshire (Northern Scotland) had to deny rumors about placing a litter box in the bathroom for a child who identified as a cat.
Species Dysphoria
The student in question suffers from species dysphoria or species incongruence. It is a condition experienced by those who do not identify with their birth species. In this case, feeling like a wolf despite being born human. According to psychology, this often causes discomfort and a depressive mood alteration due to the difficulty in being accepted and feeling free to express oneself in the surrounding world. It is less known than gender dysphoria but is a phenomenon that still involves several people. One can feel like belonging to the most disparate animal species. A phenomenon criticized as representative of an era where people want to identify as anything other than what they are.
So another school had the same rumor and denied it,
This may just be made up,