Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

I really have a hard time believing that, especially with the plethora of people exclaiming great and deep regret of having underwent this kind of surgery.

What you are talking about is 8 % of people and their detransitionning is due to transphobia, therefore not because of the treatment itself.

Even in the most fringe cases, I cannot agree that it is a neccesity for survival in any sense of the word if depression is the symptom you're arguing.

That's because you don't understand gender disphoria and its danger and relationship to depression and suicide.

I don't care abut what you agree or not. Treating kids with gender disphoria is a BASIC need for their survival.

That is not to say depression isn't real, or to discredit the struggles of having to deal with it - but there are certainly ways of working with it that doesn't involve irreversably altering your body.

No, there are not in some cases. Hence why GAS are considered in those few cases.

We do not play with depression.

Though if someone who is of legal age has gone through consultation with the implications of such a surgery still wants to go through with it - more power to them.

And we let the kids dies and suffer ? (and it's not just trans kids, but Cis kid too)

People here talk about helping kids, but they are ready to abandon kids dying and suffering just because they can't accept that sometimes, they can't have their way.

Sorry, but if you want to help kids, you do EVERYTHING to help them, not just what suits your values.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Kids cant get piercings or tattoos either. And those arent nearly as life-changing.

But then again kids arent getting gender affirming surgery

Ohhl so Chaz was never a thing?

 

[NikaInParis]

I remember when I was 7 I believed I was the WWE champion as well as a first team Real Madrid player, but my parents wouldn't book me in the main event of RAW nor let me play the El Classico. I suffer to this day which is crazy considering they treated my bro's broken arm right away.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

I remember when I was 7 I believed I was the WWE champion as well as a first team Real Madrid player, but my parents wouldn't book me in the main event of RAW nor let me play the El Classico. I suffer to this day which is crazy considering they treated my bro's broken arm right away.

Only because he didn't identify as Shanks.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Oh no, my finger slipped, and I posted something that isn't ridiculous propaganda, oopsie doopsie

Man these people are a bunch of freaks for worshipping this crap.

The most Chuunibyou goofs on the planet, I swear.

 

[Blax Blah]

https://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/o/w.htm#owen-robert

 

[Logiko]

Oh no, my finger slipped, and I posted something that isn't ridiculous propaganda, oopsie doopsie

Man these people are a bunch of freaks for worshipping this crap.

The most Chuunibyou goofs on the planet, I swear.

This is a meet up in Vietnam in traditional "Ao dai" for the APEC (Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation) summit in 2006

Buy yourself some Critical Thinking for the love of Usopp

 

[Zenos7]

Ohhl so Chaz was never a thing?

??

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I remember when I was 7 I believed I was the WWE champion as well as a first team Real Madrid player, but my parents wouldn't book me in the main event of RAW nor let me play the El Classico. I suffer to this day which is crazy considering they treated my bro's broken arm right away.

Bad parenting right there.
I remember when I was a child, I believed I was like Gohan but my parents never let me jump off of a cliff to prove them I could fly.
We had bad parents my dude, I understand your pain and sadness.

 

[Ravagerblade]

??

I meant Jazz.

 

[Uncle Van]

It will never not be funny to see people so deep into their desire to be a savior and good person, that they pretend all trans people are the same and call trans people transphobic.

Even a good chunk of trans people believe children shouldn't get that kind of permanent care until they're an adult.

 

[Logiko]

Even a good chunk of trans people believe children shouldn't get that kind of permanent care until they're an adult.

Doctors and scientists disagree.

What you gonna do ? Become republican ? Also, please, direct me to those trans people. I want to hear their arguments.

 

[Uncle Van]

Doctors and scientists disagree.

What you gonna do ? Become republican ? Also, please, direct me to those trans people. I want to hear their arguments.

Doctors and scientists also agree.

I don't think I'll become authoritarian like you lol

 

[Ravagerblade]

Doctors and scientists also agree.

I don't think I'll become authoritarian like you lol

It's funny, those doctors who think Trans people are fine. Talk about throwing away your integrity...

 

[Logiko]

Doctors and scientists also agree

Wrong. Cut the post-truth BS.

Scientists disagree:

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/f...geries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/
https://www.hrc.org/resources/get-the-facts-on-gender-affirming-care

Research have clearly shown that gender affirming care and in some very rare cases GAS can be life saving.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Wrong. Cut the post-truth BS.

Scientists disagree:

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/f...geries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/

If only a portion of scientists agree but others don't, it's not an agreed upon concensus.

 

[Logiko]

If only a portion of scientists agree but others don't, it's not an agreed upon concensus.

That's a consensus mate :)

But let's not act like you really care about science. Ok ?

 

[Uncle Van]

It's funny, those doctors who think Trans people are fine. Talk about throwing away your integrity...

They were doctors and scientists that said white people where superior to black people in evolution. They are doctors and scientists that are saying male and females have no biological differences or male don't have better physicals.

There's something that exists called biased science. Some people scurry through the internet, ignoring all doctors until they find someone that agrees with them. It's the same thing flat earthers do lol

Also, doctors and scientists have confirmed that not all trans people gave gender dysphoria even they get care.

 

[Logiko]

There's something that exists called biased science. Some people scurry through the internet, ignoring all doctors until they find someone that agrees with them. It's the same thing flat earthers do lol

Like you just did ?

Also, doctors and scientists have confirmed that not all trans people gave gender dysphoria even they get care.

Indeed, not all trans people have gender disphoria, it's a spectrum, not a specific type of harm. Good diversion BTW.

I bet you don't know that gender affirming surgery are also done to Cis people ?

 

[Uncle Van]

Almost forgot already that this started because a dude believes 10 years old can get surgery without parental consent when they can't drink, drive, work, consent to sex or smoke. Shame on me.