Anyone under the age of 18 is a minor. Doesn't matter if they're 10 or 16. A minor is a minor for a reason. I genuinely thought you'd only have to explain the obvious to pedos....
You were talking about kids under the age of 8 getting gender affirming surgery. That's a false information. There are no such kids.

There are after the age of 12 and mostly around the age of 15 to 17.

Gender affirming surgery are - once again - very RARE. And only permitted by medical professionnals when there is no other solution to appease gender disphoria.

In those specific cases, gender affirming surgeries become BASIC NEEDS that are the only solution to prevent a very bad ending for the kid.
 
And another lie. I'm done here. Stay chill.
Oh ? So... It's not cool when someone else do it to you right ? So why do you keep on doing to me ?

No indeed, you talked about someone thinking that 10 years old had GAS. This never happens. It's kids over the age of 12 and in very rare cases.

In any case, this discussion comes from a moral panic that should not exist in the first place. Anyone thinking that we should not give children the care they need, being GAC or GAS is deeply inhuman.
 

MangoSenpai

The Deicidal Avenger
A GAsurgery doesn't alter your gender. A GAsurgery adapts your body TO your gender.
Lmao, this is the dictionary definition of rationalization lmao.
You're just applying some arbitrary logic in order to justify your opinion.

So I guess biology and objectivity is completely out of the picture then, I guess the Pharaos really were descendends of the Gods.
The earth is being held together by the world serpent Jormungandr, and the Loch Ness monster was caused by a rift in the space time continuum.

A kindergardener can't be a university math professor just because he thinks he's a math genius because he's able to subtract numbers while his friends can only do addition.
A psychopath doesn't transcend into Godhood just because he thinks he's the reincarnation of Jesus Christ.
A person with Dissasociative Identity Disorder isn't multiple people sharing the same body like Diavolo/ Doppio in JoJo, just because they experience doing so.

Just because you feel, think or experience something doesn't mean that it is factual or tangible in the material plane.
Is it not better to learn to be comfortable in your own body rather than having to perverse your one and only given gift of nature, your vessel through which you experience the miracle of life?

If gender is a "social construct" as some claim, then what does it matter if you have a penis or vagina in your nether reaches?

Not to mention that if "male" and "female" isn't real, then the entire purpose of sex change is completely defeated.
The studies shows that detransition are mostly due to the pressure of the peers, because of mockeries, harrassement etc. So the main problem of dentrasitionning is transphobia. Which is logical because in some cases, transitionning can literally cut you from your entire family, and social circles and put you in the streets, so it's expected that some people, in front fo this wall, search for a detransition. We must never blame them for that.
That is sad, of course, but like this kid so wisely squealed in anger:

They made a choice, they should have been more than aware of the ramifications of what the consequences are.
You can argue transphobia or whatever you want, but a decision to do a surgery like that are very impactful that can and will affect your life in many ways, socially and whatnot.
This is why it is so important to first of all be mature enough to comprehend the gravity of the decision, and to be able to reflect if it is the answer to the problem or if there are some other underlying issues that can be worked on to improve their quality of life.

That's just adressing your argument, but that is not to mention that there are individuals who have lasting medical problems, people who felt like they were forced into transitioning, people who realized too late that it didn't solve anything - you know, other reasons that doesn't entail being bullied into detransitioning.
Indeed, since you don't even try to understand what we are talking about.
lmao, you're talking about some intangible concept that only serves to justify your beliiefs as it doesn't hold up to scrutiny otherwise.
Let's not compare trans identity and gender disphoria with alcoholism please.
You very well got my point. What you want does not equal what you need.
mango my bro don't argue here in this thread
You're right, I know, but I got bored and took the bait

 
Lmao, this is the dictionary definition of rationalization lmao.
You're just applying some arbitrary logic in order to justify your opinion.
No. i'm applying what doctors, scientific and the trans community is saying mate.

Do you know what being trans means ?


So I guess biology and objectivity is completely out of the picture then
You are not on the side of biology or even psychology. I am. I'm the one who provide you the studies and the consensus, not you mate.

Do not try to depict yourself as the rationnal one when you deny science.

:kata:


Just because you feel, think or experience something doesn't mean that it is factual or tangible in the material plane.
Actually, when you feel something, it's a real sensation. But I don't think you wanna go the road of the materialistic reality of emotions and free will, because with me you gonna get lost REAL fast.

We are talking about gender disphoria. Gender disphoria is not a thought experiment, it's something that leads people to suicide.


Am I clear or do I need to draw you something to make you better understand?


If gender is a "social construct" as some claim, then what does it matter if you have a penis or vagina in your nether reaches?
The fact that gender is made up by society (a social construct) doesn't mean gender doesn't exist. It's a REAL social data.

Here is a reply on r/asktransgender on reddit explaining just that to the question "If gender is a social construct, why do trans people exist?"




Gender is social construct but it's still something very real for many people.


Not to mention that if "male" and "female" isn't real, then the entire purpose of sex change is completely defeated.
"Male" and "Female" are what we call sexual characteristics (genetalia, chromosoms, breasts, forms of the body etc.) they are NOT the gender.

Gender =/= Sexual characteristic/Sex

https://www.coe.int/en/web/gender-matters/sex-and-gender
https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex–gender_distinction

It's NOT a F. choice !!


You can argue transphobia or whatever you want, but a decision to do a surgery like that are very impactful that can and will affect your life in many ways, socially and whatnot.
So just like rapist who blame their women of tempting them, you blame trans people of tempting other transphobe to harrass and mock them ?

Yes, it's a harsh comparison so you get the point faster.


This is why it is so important to first of all be mature enough to comprehend the gravity of the decision, and to be able to reflect if it is the answer to the problem or if there are some other underlying issues that can be worked on to improve their quality of life.
Transphobia is not something that we should accept as part of reality. If you think that way, stay away from trans people please.


That's just adressing your argument, but that is not to mention that there are individuals who have lasting medical problems, people who felt like they were forced into transitioning, people who realized too late that it didn't solve anything - you know, other reasons that doesn't entail being bullied into detransitioning.
Indeed, in very rare cases. That's why doctors must be formed better on the matter and society allowed to perform BETTER diagnosis.


lmao, you're talking about some intangible concept that only serves to justify your beliiefs as it doesn't hold up to scrutiny otherwise.
Gender disphoria is not intangible Einstein. It's a very real problem that push people toward suicide.

You very well got my point. What you want does not equal what you need.
Actually, both people under gender disphoria and alcoholics need medical care in those example, so your argument falls flat.
 

MangoSenpai

The Deicidal Avenger
No. i'm applying what doctors, scientific and the trans community is saying mate.

Do you know what being trans means ?
Someone who doesn't identify with their biological sex
You are not on the side of biology or even psychology. I am. I'm the one who provide you the studies and the consensus, not you mate.

Do not try to depict yourself as the rationnal one when you deny science.

:kata:
"Trust science" they said when they were pushing the vaccines as if it was the wonder elixir that would cure covid, and then the story went from it cures it from it prevents spreading, to it doesn't prevent spreading it but it makes it less likely you get sick from covid - to then pushing you to take jab after jab after jab after jab, threatening skeptics with excommunication from society if they resist.
Actively shutting down any and all critical or opposing voices, irrespective of their expertise, competence or status.

All the while, not to mention, deliberately hiding and withholding knowledge of medicines that were actually proven to be effective against covid, like ivermectin among others.


Isn't it just so very very convenient to just "trust science" when it comes to some contemporary issue that has blown up in recent years - most likely to create discord within society at large, to distract us from actual problems and big corp schemes for power and control, etc.?

"Science" can kiss my butt when it comes to political hot topics like this.
I'm not going to blindly trust any so-called "scientists"

The fact that gender is made up by society (a social construct) doesn't mean gender doesn't exist. It's a REAL social data.

Here is a reply on r/asktransgender on reddit explaining just that to the question "If gender is a social construct, why do trans people exist?"




Gender is social construct but it's still something very real for many people.
This is literally just a whole lot of talking without saying anything.

They're saying gender is real, your biological sex influence gender roles, but they feel like it's wrong..
So they are pretty much just admitting that this has nothing to do with actual reality, but just their feelings.

"Male" and "Female" are what we call sexual characteristics (genetalia, chromosoms, breasts, forms of the body etc.) they are NOT the gender.

Gender =/= Sexual characteristic/Sex

https://www.coe.int/en/web/gender-matters/sex-and-gender
https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex–gender_distinction
Literally a non-issue, if you want to arbitrarily allocate different definitions to what gender and biological sex is, then be my guest, you're achieving nothing at all.

It's NOT a F. choice !!
It is a choice.
If it isn't, then it is forced upon you - that can't possibly be a good thing, can it?

GA surgery is not a life saving surgery to any extent.
You have working lungs, you have a beating heart, you have a healthy liver, you don't have a brain tumor, you aren't mortally wounded or suffering from severe bloodloss due to having gender dysphoria - you are not in imminent danger of dying.

removing yourself from trom the genepool is a choice; ill advised, highly regrettable, unfortunate and likely preventable choice, but it is a choice nontheless.

And yes, I am aware that depression is a mental illness that is very real and affect you in very real ways, it needs to be taken seriously and treated like any other illness where getting healthy and winning over the illness is the goal.
Transphobia is not something that we should accept as part of reality. If you think that way, stay away from trans people please.
You need to stop seing hate and "phobia" in every little thing that doesn't immideatly resonate with you.
I am not defending the scorn and unpleasantries they may experience, but I am saying that one should be aware, prepared and understand that they may face unpleasant interactions, stigma, difficult questions, moral dillemmas - and so on and so forth.

That doesn't mean you have to take it all laying down, you should very well stand up for yourself, but by all means don't be obnoxious about it.
Gender disphoria is not intangible Einstein. It's a very real problem that push people toward suicide.
Sure, it is a mental illness like depression, so it is tangible in that sense, but this whole separation of gender and sex is completely arbitrary and completely inconsequential.
Actually, both people under gender disphoria and alcoholics need medical care in those example, so your argument falls flat.
lmao, that doesn't disprove anything - even though you're trying to extrapolate some nonexistant meaning from the comparison I made.

While alcoholism and gender dysphoria is completely different in nature, doesn't mean a comparison cannot be made.
For someone who's so broad minded as you should know better than to think binary.
 
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