Speculations A "Mental Nerf" Is No Excuse for Kizaru Failing to Deal Significant Damage

[Daves John]

Literally nothing has been said about Vegaboots boosting or augmenting his AP

Even one of Kizaru's many beams pierced cleanly through Sanji, but not the boot. It may have offered protection against the light.

Goofy was on the brink of death by VP’s barriers while saying nothing about Kizaru’s strongest accelerated kick

You do know Luffy is rubber and resistant to blunt force, right? And that those lasers are based on Kizaru himself?

People are going to be arguing their fav character didn't lose because "his heart wasn't truly in it" from now on.

I think I'm done arguing with grown men about feelings and wishy washy logic with motivated reasoning.

This has been a significant plot point since W7.

One needs to be fully focusesd and convinced of what he is doing to perform at his best, otherwise they will not do as well as they can.

 

[NexusLord]

Nah you're doing crazy shit like making non sequiturs about Kizaru's vulnerabilities and Big Mom's vulnerabilities and people losing focus messing up their Observation Haki.

If you interpret the things these guys say it's like this

Guy: Becoming sad can make you lose ultra strong armament Haki because Big Mom seen a picture and cried and she fell to her knees and it got scrapped. This is why Kizaru also didn't use Armament Haki when Luffy punched him into the building. He also didn't have Observation Haki focus or he would have dodged it. Also, at other times, he used Observation Haki so good that he looked in the future and planned for Luffy to hurt him just enough not to kill him to make it look good.

Me: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok bro

The copium conclusion now is that Kizaru was just letting Luffy hit him and it was all part of his plan lol

Bro I'm like just letting you hit me....

Note: Yes. That's right. I busted out a fat greasy bowlcut kid for this.

 

[Wizak08]

Let alone haki, Kizaru barely used named moves.

Pre-TS Kizaru: went toe toe using the sword with Ray himself, one that made Teach almost shit himself;

Kizaru vs Luffy: the sword was used once buy the clones lol.

95% of the fight Is him using random lasers.

Not to mention, he fucking saved him, he didn't want to hurt him.

What named moves did Rayleigh use?

 

[nik87]

Dealing damage to Luffy was never a problem for Kizaru, quite the contrary - how to prevent a lethal guy like Kizaru from negging Luffy...
That's why the only clean hit he landed was a kick, which never stood a chance against near immunity to blunt damage that Luffy has...
Next up, the laser shot was turned into a joke because both piercing effect and explosion are dangerous for Luffy.
Finally, the light sword that should have been Kizaru's default fighting style was used the least and never allowed a clean hit.
The scratch on the cheek is a result of Luffy dodging, otherwise, that might have one shotted him.
Kizaru's lethality is not a problem, the problem is keeping Luffy alive against such lethal characters. That's why Luffy Vs Kizaru should have never happened. Zoro was free to take on Kizaru and no PIS/plot armor was needed.

 

[kurwa]

Goofy was to Kizaru was what Usopp was to Goofy

But Kizaru also did not wanna win and even helped Goofy

And in the end Usopp still dealt more damage to Goofy
than Goofy managed to Kizaru

 

[SakazOuki]

@SkySanji @Adamxero

You forgot to call @M944

 

[mly90]

You forgot to call @M944

Those guys are nowhere to be seen but usually active on every zoro/mihawk thread

 

[Ven437]

You do know Luffy is rubber and resistant to blunt force, right? And that those lasers are based on Kizaru himself?

VP’s creations =/= Kizaru’s AP buddy

Unless you wanna go ahead and admit that Pacisfista lasers = Kizaru’s lasers, which were deemed too slow a post-TS base Goofy

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Even one of Kizaru's many beams pierced cleanly through Sanji, but not the boot. It may have offered protection against the light.



You do know Luffy is rubber and resistant to blunt force, right? And that those lasers are based on Kizaru himself?



This has been a significant plot point since W7.

One needs to be fully focusesd and convinced of what he is doing to perform at his best, otherwise they will not do as well as they can.

The vegaboots didn’t do anything? They’re anti gravity boots, no mention of any sort of protection.

Sanji was able to stop the laser cause dudes a kick specialist? Not because of boots that get destroyed by running on them.

 

[JoNdule]

It was established as far back as Skypia that lacking willpower or hesitating greatly affects your fighting ability.

In Water 7, Zoro got destroyed by Base Kaku because, as explained twice by Nami, "his heart wasn't in the right place, but he's ready now that h me knows the truth". Zoro got many levels stronger and Kaku could even sense his fighting spirit now.

It's obvious Kizaru's abilities were negatively impacted.

Copium

 

[Daves John]

VP’s creations =/= Kizaru’s AP buddy

Unless you wanna go ahead and admit that Pacisfista lasers = Kizaru’s lasers, which were deemed too slow a post-TS base Goofy

Luffy wasn't shown dodging the beam after it is fired, he could easily be fast enough to avoid Pacifista's aim.

The vegaboots didn’t do anything? They’re anti gravity boots, no mention of any sort of protection.

Sanji was able to stop the laser cause dudes a kick specialist? Not because of boots that get destroyed by running on them.

You think Sanji's leg is dozens of times more durable than the rest of his body?

Dealing damage to Luffy was never a problem for Kizaru, quite the contrary - how to prevent a lethal guy like Kizaru from negging Luffy...
That's why the only clean hit he landed was a kick, which never stood a chance against near immunity to blunt damage that Luffy has...
Next up, the laser shot was turned into a joke because both piercing effect and explosion are dangerous for Luffy.
Finally, the light sword that should have been Kizaru's default fighting style was used the least and never allowed a clean hit.
The scratch on the cheek is a result of Luffy dodging, otherwise, that might have one shotted him.
Kizaru's lethality is not a problem, the problem is keeping Luffy alive against such lethal characters. That's why Luffy Vs Kizaru should have never happened. Zoro was free to take on Kizaru and no PIS/plot armor was needed.

You do know that if Zoro ends up not fighting Kizaru, this whole Kizaru praise will be for nothing?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Luffy wasn't shown dodging the beam after it is fired, he could easily be fast enough to avoid Pacifista's aim.



You think Sanji's leg is dozens of times more durable than the rest of his body?



You do know that if Zoro ends up not fighting Kizaru, this whole Kizaru praise will be for nothing?

In one piece Parrying an attack (like a laser) with another attack (like a kick) is more effective than just trying to block it straight up.

The boots did literally nothing.

 

[Dragon777]

What named moves did Rayleigh use?

None, but it's useless to ask the question since It was expliclty said that Ray was going 100% against Kizaru and wanted to help the mugi, who were being slaughtered, but couldn't. And Ray himself lamented he couldn't do more. Other that being showed visibly huffing and sweating.
Same situation as WB btw.

The usage of named moves is a telling indicator when we actually don't know if characters are going 100%.
In case of Kizaru, let alone not knowing: Oda told us 100 times he was conflicted and he even saved his "enemy".

 

[Ven437]

Luffy wasn't shown dodging the beam after it is fired, he could easily be fast enough to avoid Pacifista's aim.

So you really think Kizaru's lasers are comparable to a Pacifista's? That we have a whole bunch of robots walking around with Admiral-tier AP?

 

[Daves John]

In one piece Parrying an attack (like a laser) with another attack (like a kick) is more effective than just trying to block it straight up.

The boots did literally nothing.

Since when?

So you really think Kizaru's lasers are comparable to a Pacifista's? That we have a whole bunch of robots walking around with Admiral-tier AP?

I think lasers are meant to pierce anything but their AP isn't that high.

It's why Franky, who just copied Pacifista's lasers, easily pierced Saturn, threatened Seraphims and Big Mom

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Since when?



I think lasers are meant to pierce anything but their AP isn't that high.

It's why Franky, who just copied Pacifista's lasers, easily pierced Saturn, threatened Seraphims and Big Mom

Literally stated in SBS 94 when asked why Sanji blocked big mom with a kick:

“Mom attempted to punch Reiju, so Luffy and Sanji stopped her. That's what happened here in this scene. However, can they stopped Big Mom's punch by merely catching it?! It's impossible!! So in order to cancel out the power of her punch, he blocked it with his kick!!”

 

[Ven437]

Since when?



I think lasers are meant to pierce anything but their AP isn't that high.

It's why Franky, who just copied Pacifista's lasers, easily pierced Saturn, threatened Seraphims and Big Mom

So Radical Beam also threatened Kizaru too? Given Franky knowing fully well who Kizaru is, was about to use it against him but he ran away from Franky?

 

[Daves John]

Literally stated in SBS 94 when asked why Sanji blocked big mom with a kick:

“Mom attempted to punch Reiju, so Luffy and Sanji stopped her. That's what happened here in this scene. However, can they stopped Big Mom's punch by merely catching it?! It's impossible!! So in order to cancel out the power of her punch, he blocked it with his kick!!”

I fail to see what your point is.

Yes, legs are more durable than stomach or something, but this isn't about damage taken, this is about being pierced cleanly through by a random beam and blocking a single beam without any problem.

This isn't how human body functions

So Radical Beam also threatened Kizaru too? Given Franky knowing fully well who Kizaru is, was about to use it against him but he ran away from Franky?

You do know he was in a hurry and didn't want to hurt anyone he doesn't have to, right?

 

[Ven437]

You do know he was in a hurry and didn't want to hurt anyone he doesn't have to, right?

If Franky used Radical beam on BM just cuz it threatened her, then him using RB on Kizaru means it would threaten him too, right?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I fail to see what your point is.

Yes, legs are more durable than stomach or something, but this isn't about damage taken, this is about being pierced cleanly through by a random beam and blocking a single beam without any problem.

This isn't how human body functions



You do know he was in a hurry and didn't want to hurt anyone he doesn't have to, right?

It’s about canceling out attacks… a kick is better at blocking attacks than just standing there and letting the attack hit. As Oda literally stated here, Kicking an attack is much more effective in blocking attack than just standing there.

The boots canonically did nothing. That was just Sanji.