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The question you have to ask yourself is:
If you are doubting sciences, in what can you believe to understand and having the most objective opinions about the world ?
Science is various and complex. It's not one single thing and it's not a A to Z practice. Mathematics, biology, cosmology are sciences and disciplines of sciences, but Human sciences, archeology, history or Sociology are science as well. Reproductibility is not necessarily the panacee of Sciences, it's much more complex than that.
I can understand you if you are a bit suspicious when you see all leftists praising human sciences. But you need to understand the reasons for this phenomenon.
Progressism and the understanding of reality are deeply related. It has been the case for the entire history of mankind.
So, it's logical that science would be pushed by progressists to understand more about our specie. Science went so far that it's now starting to understand even the reason behind the failure of our own system.
You live in a society that makes you believe that we listen to scientist. But in reality, we do not. NEVER. The three most shining example of that are:
- COVID > Scientists warned every government and were not listened correctly.
- CLIMATE CHANGE > Scientists are warning everyone that our civilisation is about to take a deep slap in the face, no one listens.
- CAPITALISM > Scientists are showing how capitalism breaks people lives and no one is listens.
If we were in a world where politics in power listened REALLY to scientists, we would probably live in a very different kind of society. So, when you are doubting Science because you think that somehow, politics are trying to blinds you with it, never forget that...
People in power do not care about science at all.
If you are doubting sciences, in what can you believe to understand and having the most objective opinions about the world ?
Science is various and complex. It's not one single thing and it's not a A to Z practice. Mathematics, biology, cosmology are sciences and disciplines of sciences, but Human sciences, archeology, history or Sociology are science as well. Reproductibility is not necessarily the panacee of Sciences, it's much more complex than that.
I can understand you if you are a bit suspicious when you see all leftists praising human sciences. But you need to understand the reasons for this phenomenon.
Progressism and the understanding of reality are deeply related. It has been the case for the entire history of mankind.
So, it's logical that science would be pushed by progressists to understand more about our specie. Science went so far that it's now starting to understand even the reason behind the failure of our own system.
You live in a society that makes you believe that we listen to scientist. But in reality, we do not. NEVER. The three most shining example of that are:
- COVID > Scientists warned every government and were not listened correctly.
- CLIMATE CHANGE > Scientists are warning everyone that our civilisation is about to take a deep slap in the face, no one listens.
- CAPITALISM > Scientists are showing how capitalism breaks people lives and no one is listens.
If we were in a world where politics in power listened REALLY to scientists, we would probably live in a very different kind of society. So, when you are doubting Science because you think that somehow, politics are trying to blinds you with it, never forget that...
People in power do not care about science at all.
You're missing the point, I'm not a science denier, I'm saying that I'm not going to trust the word of "scientists" blindly.
In the case of covid vaccines, it was 100% pushed as a cure. If you have forgotten then that's not my problem.
And the so-called "nut job conspiracists" turned out to be quite right about many things. So I'll not hear it.
In the case of covid vaccines, it was 100% pushed as a cure. If you have forgotten then that's not my problem.
And the so-called "nut job conspiracists" turned out to be quite right about many things. So I'll not hear it.
Brandolini law.
Take the 15 minutes and multiply all of this by 10. You should get a large estimate of the number of minutes I would need to put inside the work of debunking this BS since I already saw that in the first 15 seconds, there is already multiple fallacies.
Maybe you should listen to scientists instead of listening to elderly people.
Take the 15 minutes and multiply all of this by 10. You should get a large estimate of the number of minutes I would need to put inside the work of debunking this BS since I already saw that in the first 15 seconds, there is already multiple fallacies.
Maybe you should listen to scientists instead of listening to elderly people.
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*Do everything.
You would be one of those dumbasses that believed in the Aryan supremacy decades ago. Scientists lie and create schemes,frauds and make mistakes all the time.
You have 0 reading comprehesion skills, don't you? The media was parroting that the vacine would create herd immunity.
I know, but he still is president.
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You would be one of those dumbasses that believed in the Aryan supremacy decades ago. Scientists lie and create schemes,frauds and make mistakes all the time.
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You have 0 reading comprehesion skills, don't you? The media was parroting that the vacine would create herd immunity.
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I know, but he still is president.
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That's because media are not scientists.
Now, vaccines did reduce transmissions : https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/...-vaccines-initial-approval-pfizer-2024-02-12/
Scientists never said that we would get immunity through vaccinations. That's what bad politicians and journalists said.
I'm sure it talks about a lot of things, I will simply pass, I don't have time to debunk all your BS constantly.
So you base your knowledge and opinion on nothing concrete then ? Ok. Good to know that your opinion about important subject do not matter then.
Now, vaccines did reduce transmissions : https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/...-vaccines-initial-approval-pfizer-2024-02-12/
Scientists never said that we would get immunity through vaccinations. That's what bad politicians and journalists said.
I'm sure it talks about a lot of things, I will simply pass, I don't have time to debunk all your BS constantly.
So you base your knowledge and opinion on nothing concrete then ? Ok. Good to know that your opinion about important subject do not matter then.
Sorry, I was not familiar with the word "herd" in english. I thought you were talking about immunity from the disease through the vaccine. Actually yes. Scientist did say that we would get herd immunity through Vaccination. Which still not happened since COVID is not your average virus.
Now, this was only a prediction. There is always parameter that are unpredictable.
The mutations were so strong that Scientists had to rethink their strategy and forget about herd immunity to manage the virus as an endemic one.
Now, this was only a prediction. There is always parameter that are unpredictable.
The mutations were so strong that Scientists had to rethink their strategy and forget about herd immunity to manage the virus as an endemic one.
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Vaccines are still not generally cures lmao. For a cure you first need to contract a disease, while vaccines are given preemptively.
So yeah no, i dont remember anyone, much less actual scientists, saying anything of the sort
Not for the right reasons though lmao.
I seriously only remember dementia joe saying the vaccine makes people not catch covid.
Aig and anti-evolution? No thanks
What does evolution have to do with racism again?
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Vaccines are still not generally cures lmao. For a cure you first need to contract a disease, while vaccines are given preemptively.
So yeah no, i dont remember anyone, much less actual scientists, saying anything of the sort
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Not for the right reasons though lmao.
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I seriously only remember dementia joe saying the vaccine makes people not catch covid.
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Aig and anti-evolution? No thanks
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What does evolution have to do with racism again?
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This is the core problem...let's say there are 10 scientists working together. 3 of them say that a procedure is safe while the other 7 says it's not. Clearly a definitive conclusion has yet to be met.
However, some rando claims that the 3 scientists are correct, simply because the conclusion of those 3 fits in with their agenda. If you bring up the other 7, you get called a science denier.
Science is a constant work in progress. Biased individuals only push scientists that fits their agenda.
However, some rando claims that the 3 scientists are correct, simply because the conclusion of those 3 fits in with their agenda. If you bring up the other 7, you get called a science denier.
Science is a constant work in progress. Biased individuals only push scientists that fits their agenda.
No. You get called a science denier for denying the scientific process. No people called science deniers do the work to search for the consensus or for what the majority of scientists agrees on. (and usually, people who disagree with the consensus are not on a ratio of 3 to 7, but much less than that.)