Controversial General Political Discussion

[Brush D. Teeth]

So? That doesnt diminish what it can do

Isn't that the very definition of a limit?

 

[Logiko]

Scientific research clearly has its limits.

Infinitely less than any other ways to understand the world.

 

[Zenos7]

Isn't that the very definition of a limit?

No. Just means that it works up to a certain point and not beyond. And up to that point, it works really well.

But you do you with anti-science bs

 

[Blax Blah]

So? That doesnt diminish what it can do

Yeah,

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

No. Just means that it works up to a certain point and not beyond. And up to that point, it works really well.

But you do you with anti-science bs

A limit can also be figurative, for example a characteristic that hinders its effectiveness.

 

[Blax Blah]

I think Zenos means to say, science can not do anything, but it can do a lot, and just because it can't do anything, that doesn't mean that it should be disregarded, since it can do a lot,

 

[Mathias]

If you think that your critical thinking is better than the international scientific consensus then you're a dumbass

 

[Logiko]

The question you have to ask yourself is:

If you are doubting sciences, in what can you believe to understand and having the most objective opinions about the world ?

Science is various and complex. It's not one single thing and it's not a A to Z practice. Mathematics, biology, cosmology are sciences and disciplines of sciences, but Human sciences, archeology, history or Sociology are science as well. Reproductibility is not necessarily the panacee of Sciences, it's much more complex than that.

I can understand you if you are a bit suspicious when you see all leftists praising human sciences. But you need to understand the reasons for this phenomenon.

Progressism and the understanding of reality are deeply related. It has been the case for the entire history of mankind.

So, it's logical that science would be pushed by progressists to understand more about our specie. Science went so far that it's now starting to understand even the reason behind the failure of our own system.

You live in a society that makes you believe that we listen to scientist. But in reality, we do not. NEVER. The three most shining example of that are:

- COVID > Scientists warned every government and were not listened correctly.
- CLIMATE CHANGE > Scientists are warning everyone that our civilisation is about to take a deep slap in the face, no one listens.
- CAPITALISM > Scientists are showing how capitalism breaks people lives and no one is listens.

If we were in a world where politics in power listened REALLY to scientists, we would probably live in a very different kind of society. So, when you are doubting Science because you think that somehow, politics are trying to blinds you with it, never forget that...

People in power do not care about science at all.

 

[MangoSenpai]

This is incredibly untrue.

Vaccines generally dont cure a disease. And the relevant professionals never claimed it would stop people from getting covid either. They were pretty clear from the beginning, that it mainly reduces risk of severe symptoms.

You are confusing media nutjobs and politicians making wrong statememts with what the scientists were saying
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Ivermectin wasnt proven to be effective and they were still researching medicine for covid on top of the vaccines
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Science is convenient because of how good it works as a self-improving system.

Mind you that its always other scientists improving previous scientific research and never conspiracy nutjobs lol

You're missing the point, I'm not a science denier, I'm saying that I'm not going to trust the word of "scientists" blindly.

In the case of covid vaccines, it was 100% pushed as a cure. If you have forgotten then that's not my problem.

And the so-called "nut job conspiracists" turned out to be quite right about many things. So I'll not hear it.

 

[Logiko]

In the case of covid vaccines, it was 100% pushed as a cure

It was not. Politician pushed it as a cure. Not scientists.

And the so-called "nut job conspiracists" turned out to be quite right about many things. So I'll not hear it.

No.

Now, we are not talking about the COVID vaccin here, but actually hundreds of researchs about things you deny. If you don't want to be called a science denier, trust the scientific process.

 

[NAMELESS]

Watch first and judge later.

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You're missing the point, I'm not a science denier, I'm saying that I'm not going to trust the word of "scientists" blindly.

In the case of covid vaccines, it was 100% pushed as a cure. If you have forgotten then that's not my problem.

And the so-called "nut job conspiracists" turned out to be quite right about many things. So I'll not hear it.

I only took that shit cause i was living near elderly people. They straight up lied about it stopping the spread of the virus.

 

[Logiko]

Watch first and judge later.

Brandolini law.

Take the 15 minutes and multiply all of this by 10. You should get a large estimate of the number of minutes I would need to put inside the work of debunking this BS since I already saw that in the first 15 seconds, there is already multiple fallacies.

I only took that shit cause i was living near elderly people. They straight up lied about it stopping the spread of the virus.

Maybe you should listen to scientists instead of listening to elderly people.

 

[NAMELESS]

I think Zenos means to say, science can not do anything, but it can do a lot, and just because it can't do anything, that doesn't mean that it should be disregarded, since it can do a lot,

*Do everything.
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If you think that your critical thinking is better than the international scientific consensus then you're a dumbass

You would be one of those dumbasses that believed in the Aryan supremacy decades ago. Scientists lie and create schemes,frauds and make mistakes all the time.
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Brandolini law.

Take the 15 minutes and multiply all of this by 10. You should get a large estimate of the number of minutes I would need to put inside the work of debunking this BS since I already saw that in the first 15 seconds, there is already multiple fallacies.


Maybe you should listen to scientists instead of listening to elderly people.

You have 0 reading comprehesion skills, don't you? The media was parroting that the vacine would create herd immunity.
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I hate to tell you Nameless but Biden hasn't been on the ballot since July 18th.

I know, but he still is president.

 

[Mathias]

You would be one of those dumbasses that believed in the Aryan supremacy decades ago. Scientists lie and create schemes,frauds and make mistakes all the time.

Aryan supremacy was already a pseudo science back in the 19th century

 

[NAMELESS]

This is incredibly untrue.

Vaccines generally dont cure a disease. And the relevant professionals never claimed it would stop people from getting covid either. They were pretty clear from the beginning, that it mainly reduces risk of severe symptoms.

You are confusing media nutjobs and politicians making wrong statememts with what the scientists were saying
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Ivermectin wasnt proven to be effective and they were still researching medicine for covid on top of the vaccines
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Science is convenient because of how good it works as a self-improving system.

Mind you that its always other scientists improving previous scientific research and never conspiracy nutjobs lol

Down here in Brazil, they claimed it would create herd immunitty, that the vaccinated could no transmit the disease and that the unvaxxed were causing all the deaths. Yes, they scared people into taking the jab.
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Brandolini law.

Take the 15 minutes and multiply all of this by 10. You should get a large estimate of the number of minutes I would need to put inside the work of debunking this BS since I already saw that in the first 15 seconds, there is already multiple fallacies.


Maybe you should listen to scientists instead of listening to elderly people.

Its talking about origins of modern day racism(Darwinism).

 

[Logiko]

You have 0 reading comprehesion skills, don't you? The media was parroting that the vacine would create herd immunity.

That's because media are not scientists.

Now, vaccines did reduce transmissions : https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/...-vaccines-initial-approval-pfizer-2024-02-12/

Scientists never said that we would get immunity through vaccinations. That's what bad politicians and journalists said.

Its talking about origins of modern day racism(Darwinism).

I'm sure it talks about a lot of things, I will simply pass, I don't have time to debunk all your BS constantly.

Scientists lie and create schemes,frauds and make mistakes all the time.

So you base your knowledge and opinion on nothing concrete then ? Ok. Good to know that your opinion about important subject do not matter then.

 

[NAMELESS]

That's because media are not scientists.

Now, vaccines did reduce transmissions : https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/...-vaccines-initial-approval-pfizer-2024-02-12/

Scientists never said that we would get immunity through vaccinations. That's what bad politicians and journalists said.


I'm sure it talks about a lot of things, I will simply pass, I don't have time to debunk all your BS constantly.


So you base your knowledge and opinion on nothing concrete then ? Ok. Good to know that your opinion about important subject do not matter then.

Is Dr.Faucci a journalist?

 

[Logiko]

Is Dr.Faucci a journalist?

Sorry, I was not familiar with the word "herd" in english. I thought you were talking about immunity from the disease through the vaccine. Actually yes. Scientist did say that we would get herd immunity through Vaccination. Which still not happened since COVID is not your average virus.

Now, this was only a prediction. There is always parameter that are unpredictable.

The mutations were so strong that Scientists had to rethink their strategy and forget about herd immunity to manage the virus as an endemic one.

 

[Zenos7]

I think Zenos means to say, science can not do anything, but it can do a lot, and just because it can't do anything, that doesn't mean that it should be disregarded, since it can do a lot,

This
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In the case of covid vaccines, it was 100% pushed as a cure. If you have forgotten then that's not my problem

Vaccines are still not generally cures lmao. For a cure you first need to contract a disease, while vaccines are given preemptively.

So yeah no, i dont remember anyone, much less actual scientists, saying anything of the sort
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And the so-called "nut job conspiracists" turned out to be quite right about many things. So I'll not hear it

Not for the right reasons though lmao.
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only took that shit cause i was living near elderly people. They straight up lied about it stopping the spread of the virus.

I seriously only remember dementia joe saying the vaccine makes people not catch covid.
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Watch first and judge later.

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I only took that shit cause i was living near elderly people. They straight up lied about it stopping the spread of the virus.

Aig and anti-evolution? No thanks
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talking about origins of modern day racism(Darwinism).

What does evolution have to do with racism again?

 

[Uncle Van]

This is the core problem...let's say there are 10 scientists working together. 3 of them say that a procedure is safe while the other 7 says it's not. Clearly a definitive conclusion has yet to be met.

However, some rando claims that the 3 scientists are correct, simply because the conclusion of those 3 fits in with their agenda. If you bring up the other 7, you get called a science denier.

Science is a constant work in progress. Biased individuals only push scientists that fits their agenda.