Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

Well, not necesarilly that people have moved on from marxism, both marxism, anarchism, and social democracy, come from around the same time, I'm just saying that just as socialism is not anarcho-communism or social democracy, neither is it marxism, marxism is just a part of it,

Anyway, business need to profit in order to survive. Surplus Value is BS. ROI is a better term for the phenomena.

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Well, not necesarilly that people have moved on from marxism, both marxism, anarchism, and social democracy, come from around the same time, I'm just saying that just as socialism is not anarcho-communism or social democracy, neither is it marxism, marxism is just a part of it,

The most developed nations are the freest economies btw. I assume the first world uses Marxism as a political tool to keep third worlders underdeveloped. No industrialization means your people will be perpetually behind financially wise. Market regulation causes poverty.

 

[Blax Blah]

Anyway, business need to profit in order to survive. Surplus Value is BS. ROI is a better term for the phenomena.

Yeah, I think the issue isn't that surplus value exists, it's that it's taken by a group of shareholders, when the workers could own the factory together instead and share it,

 

[NAMELESS]

Yeah, I think the issue isn't that surplus value exists, it's that it's taken by a group of shareholders, when the workers could own the factory together instead and share it,

Bro, you don't understand. Try to create a hotdog shop and give it a go. Hire some random bozo and give him ownership over a share of the thing. You will see that you profitability will take a huge dive. In reality, you would be wasting time and resources. The most sane thing to do in this case is to close the damn business.
It sounds beautiful and virtuous on paper, but it doesn't work in reality.

 

[Logiko]

Honestly, bro, you're reaching. It's not inhuman to have limits. Grow up.

When I tell you "we should help people who need help" and you tell me "some people do not deserve to be helped (even when they need it)" well, you are giving me a inhuman stance.

Own you sh*t bra

his work would still be relatively nothing compared to the work of his workers,

Good stuff

They are getting education to eventually contribute

A potential. Yes.

We always need to invest in the future

Which is why we must invest on everyone and not just those who fit your vision.

but I'd rather invest in a child than an adult who does fuck all with their life and claims they cannot work when they probably could

Again, everyone is productive in their own way, the fact that you don't see it doesn't mean it not there.

Leftist usually tell people to underperform when they are exploited. Specifically because if they were doing more than needed, they would be stolen from the difference. Liberals will usually say that those people are lazy, but in reality they do not see that those people uses this time to do other things outside of the spectra of exploitation. Outside of the control of liberals and capitalist wankers.

Can any of his workers raise billions and administer that large enterprise as to be profitable?

Put them on the same position as him with the same priviledges and they will. Elon is a very bad business man, it's very well known.. so it wouldn't be even that hard.

People that never tried to own a business have no idea how hard it is to be successful.

That's sooooo hard.. I mean people live under the limit of poverty but damn... poor Elon.

 

[Reborn]

Yeah, I think the issue isn't that surplus value exists, it's that it's taken by a group of shareholders, when the workers could own the factory together instead and share it,

Idealism is different from the reality


If you see few companies making profits then 1000s suffer losses


In a situation of loss,

Will workers be willing to share the burden? Not take profit/salary and pay interest on loans and pay rent out of their own pocket?

If yes then they are free to be shareholders but reality is majority people likes to play it safe​

 

[NAMELESS]

When I tell you "we should help people who need help" and you tell me "some people do not deserve to be helped (even when they need it)" well, you are giving me a inhuman stance.

Own you sh*t bra



Good stuff







A potential. Yes.



Which is why we must invest on everyone and not just those who fit your vision.



Again, everyone is productive in their own way, the fact that you don't see it doesn't mean it not there.

Leftist usually tell people to underperform when they are exploited. Specifically because if they were doing more than needed, they would be stolen from the difference. Liberals will usually say that those people are lazy, but in reality they do not see that those people uses this time to do other things outside of the spectra of exploitation. Outside of the control of liberals and capitalist wankers.


Put them on the same position as him with the same priviledges and they will. Elon is a very bad business man, it's very well known.. so it wouldn't be even that hard.





That's sooooo hard.. I mean people live under the limit of poverty but damn... poor Elon.

Dude...shut up.

 

[Zenos7]

potential. Yes.

Yes,and if they then turn out to be lazy bums, fuckem

 

[NAMELESS]

Idealism is different from the reality


If you see few companies making profits then 1000s suffer losses


In a situation of loss,

Will workers be willing to share the burden? Not take profit/salary and pay interest on loans and pay rent out of their own pocket?

If yes then they are free to be shareholders but reality is majority people likes to play it safe​

Exactly, you don't get a free handout just cause you work for someone. I literally have 0 employees. If i decide to hire someone tomorrow, why would they be entitled to what i have built so far? This is exactly what Marxists want. They want a share of the cake without paying for the costs and putting in effort to cook the cake. It's theft. Straight up. The ideology of envy.

 

[Starbound Beast D. Draig]

Exactly, you don't get a free hand out just cause you work for someone. I literally have 0 employees. If i decide to hire someone tomorrow, why would they be entitled to what i have built so far? This is exactly what Marxists want. They want a share of the cake without paying for the costs and putting in effort to cook the cake. It's theft. Straight up. The ideology of envy.

 

[NAMELESS]

@Blax Blah did you get my points or was everything too confusing?

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Holy shit, i didn't know Marx's father was that based.

 

[Logiko]

Idealism is different from the reality

Idealism is the opposite of materialism and therefore the opposite of marxism mate.

Dude...shut up.

Nah

Yes,and if they then turn out to be lazy bums, fuckem

There is no such thing as lazy people.

I learned that the hard way.

I literally have 0 employees. If i decide to hire someone tomorrow, why would they be entitled to what i have built so far? This is exactly what Marxists want. They want a share of the cake without paying for the costs and putting in effort to cook the cake. It's theft. Straight up. The ideology of envy.

Lmao no.

 

[Blax Blah]

@Blax Blah did you get my points or was everything too confusing?

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Holy shit, i didn't know Marx's father was that based.

I think I get what you mean and to answer I would like to talk about the topics you mentioned but I should do something before that for an hour or two,

 

[Starbound Beast D. Draig]

There is no such thing as lazy people.

Please look into the mirror for once

 

[Blax Blah]

Here is a cool story though, this may not be true, I will give a source after I say what I have heard to check it, but apparently one of the few, or the only, factories left in Europe is a factory in Greece named with V like maybe Veritasium or Viome, and Viome was a factory abandoned by its owners because of lack of profits, that the workers took ownership of, and now run democratically and use to make things that help the enviroment,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIO.ME. .,

 

[NAMELESS]

Idealism is the opposite of materialism and therefore the opposite of marxism mate.



Nah


There is no such thing as lazy people.

I learned that the hard way.



Lmao no.

 

[Logiko]

Please look into the mirror for once

You would lost it in less that 1 month if I gave you my place mate.

Come on don't talk about what you don't understand.

 

[Blax Blah]

I think the link doesn't work as I linked it because the name of it is VIO.ME. and the last . is seen as the end if a sentence but if you go there and press on did you reffer to VIO.ME. then it will take you to it,

Here is a cool story though, this may not be true, I will give a source after I say what I have heard to check it, but apparently one of the few, or the only, factories left in Europe is a factory in Greece named with V like maybe Veritasium or Viome, and Viome was a factory abandoned by its owners because of lack of profits, that the workers took ownership of, and now run democratically and use to make things that help the enviroment,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIO.ME. .,

 

[Kami Burn]

True Chad.

 

[Blax Blah]

https://znetwork.org/zvideo/inside-...ged-factory-thats-operated-for-over-10-years/

https://www.pressenza.com/2023/10/a...iome-the-factory-self-managed-by-its-workers/
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[Starbound Beast D. Draig]

You would lost it in less that 1 month if I gave you my place mate.

Come on don't talk about what you don't understand.