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No. They don't. You are repeating Pro-Israel propaganda.
Leftists were among the first (and the ONLY ONES) to call out the war crime AS a war crime by Hamas. (In fact the leftists in France were the only one to call it what they are (being war crimes) until the international organizations started to call out both the crimes of hamas and the crimes of the IDF.
In fact you can see me calling out the war crime of october 7th since november 2023 !
It's not one. Stop the Bibi propaganda.
The perspective of Israel is 1195 (815 being civilians)
The perspective of Gazan people is most likely around 186 000 DEATH due to the actions of Israel, because what every humanitarian will tell you there is that not all death are counted
"In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza. Using the 2022 Gaza Strip population estimate of 2 375 259, this would translate to 7·9% of the total population in the Gaza Strip. A report from Feb 7, 2024, at the time when the direct death toll was 28 000, estimated that without a ceasefire there would be between 58 260 deaths (without an epidemic or escalation) and 85 750 deaths (if both occurred) by Aug 6, 2024 "
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext
So no. It's not a "both end" situation. It's a army oblitaring an entire city with jets and bombs which is met by nothing but an army of men with big rockets. It's an army shotting down civilians and targeting kids by DRONES PURPOSEFULLY. It's a system that dehumanize on a systemic basis an entire population and make people think that Gazan people are animals that deserves to be ex terminated. It's a system that colonized and oppresses. It's an army that helps colonizer take people from their homes. It's a gov that will attack any country to justify a saint war on the basis of the fight of Light vs evil.
It's not a F equal domination relationship where "all sides are kinda mean". It's the extermination and the genocide of a people.
There is a way to end the war:
- Cease fire from Israel
- The end of the bombing
- The end of the colonization
- The return of Colonizer to Israel from Palestinian country
- The stop to the oppressions of Gazan
- The end of the blocus
- A two state solution
- The end of the multiple juridiction for Palestinian people.
When there is a colonizer and a colonized. It's not up to the colonized people to put down the weapons.
Hate sput ? A few feminist telling you than men are the problem in society ?
Poor you.
Again. I'm a men touched directely by the discriminations that this "day" is supposed to represent. So I have the legitimaty to tell you to relax. No men will be systematically hurt because a woman is sayin men are trash on "international men day."
For the moment they don't. So they better stay quiet and help feminist who fight the systemic victims of their behaviors all around the world.
What we need right now, is men willing to help instead of gloating on how much they are so much better than other men. And I include myself in the equation as well.
It's not.
But stay on Xwitter. We will see how long it will take you to migrate.
Good stuff.
Revolution and the end of the oppression of the police is kind of a good thing if you ask me ;)
It is. It's just not tolerant of those who are the opposite of democratic and inclusive. Which.. I get that you might be a little be stinged by since well.... everyone can see what type of BS you are defending here
But have fun on X lol
Leftists were among the first (and the ONLY ONES) to call out the war crime AS a war crime by Hamas. (In fact the leftists in France were the only one to call it what they are (being war crimes) until the international organizations started to call out both the crimes of hamas and the crimes of the IDF.
In fact you can see me calling out the war crime of october 7th since november 2023 !
It's not one. Stop the Bibi propaganda.
The perspective of Israel is 1195 (815 being civilians)
The perspective of Gazan people is most likely around 186 000 DEATH due to the actions of Israel, because what every humanitarian will tell you there is that not all death are counted
"In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza. Using the 2022 Gaza Strip population estimate of 2 375 259, this would translate to 7·9% of the total population in the Gaza Strip. A report from Feb 7, 2024, at the time when the direct death toll was 28 000, estimated that without a ceasefire there would be between 58 260 deaths (without an epidemic or escalation) and 85 750 deaths (if both occurred) by Aug 6, 2024 "
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext
So no. It's not a "both end" situation. It's a army oblitaring an entire city with jets and bombs which is met by nothing but an army of men with big rockets. It's an army shotting down civilians and targeting kids by DRONES PURPOSEFULLY. It's a system that dehumanize on a systemic basis an entire population and make people think that Gazan people are animals that deserves to be ex terminated. It's a system that colonized and oppresses. It's an army that helps colonizer take people from their homes. It's a gov that will attack any country to justify a saint war on the basis of the fight of Light vs evil.
It's not a F equal domination relationship where "all sides are kinda mean". It's the extermination and the genocide of a people.
There is a way to end the war:
- Cease fire from Israel
- The end of the bombing
- The end of the colonization
- The return of Colonizer to Israel from Palestinian country
- The stop to the oppressions of Gazan
- The end of the blocus
- A two state solution
- The end of the multiple juridiction for Palestinian people.
When there is a colonizer and a colonized. It's not up to the colonized people to put down the weapons.
Hate sput ? A few feminist telling you than men are the problem in society ?
Poor you.
Again. I'm a men touched directely by the discriminations that this "day" is supposed to represent. So I have the legitimaty to tell you to relax. No men will be systematically hurt because a woman is sayin men are trash on "international men day."
For the moment they don't. So they better stay quiet and help feminist who fight the systemic victims of their behaviors all around the world.
What we need right now, is men willing to help instead of gloating on how much they are so much better than other men. And I include myself in the equation as well.
It's not.
But stay on Xwitter. We will see how long it will take you to migrate.
Good stuff.
Revolution and the end of the oppression of the police is kind of a good thing if you ask me ;)
It is. It's just not tolerant of those who are the opposite of democratic and inclusive. Which.. I get that you might be a little be stinged by since well.... everyone can see what type of BS you are defending here
But have fun on X lol
- While resistance against oppression can be legitimate under international law, actions targeting civilians (like those on October 7th) cross the line into terrorism or war crimes.
- Hamas's deliberate attacks on civilians violate international humanitarian law (IHL) and cannot be justified as resistance. These actions are not legitimate forms of armed struggle but constitute grave breaches of IHL.
- Both sides committing war crimes does not justify either side’s actions. While you acknowledges Hamas’s war crimes, then you downplay their impact by framing them as a response to oppression. Accountability must be applied equally, regardless of context.
- Civilians, whether Israeli or Palestinian, must be protected under international law. No degree of oppression excuses the deliberate targeting of civilians.
- Designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization by multiple countries (e.g., the United States, the European Union) is not "propaganda" but a reflection of Hamas's track record of attacks on civilians. This is distinct from legitimate Palestinian resistance movements that adhere to international norms.
- Hamas’s governance in Gaza has also been criticized for oppressive practices, including restricting dissent and harming its own civilian population.
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I think it depends on where you look, some leftists, unless I misunderstood, specifically authoritarian leftists, like leninists/stalinists said that there are no citizens of the state of Israel and that the citizens themselves are opressing the palestinian people, on a podcast named thedeprogram, but they were called out about it by others,
I think it depends on where you look, some leftists, unless I misunderstood, specifically authoritarian leftists, like leninists/stalinists said that there are no citizens of the state of Israel and that the citizens themselves are opressing the palestinian people, on a podcast named thedeprogram, but they were called out about it by others,
Indeed. The problem is that leftism in American is not really powerfull. I hope the change in the political landscape will help.
Which seems logical with the growth of social media
Well, maybe it come from a bias of mine. And maybe due to the current social status of the left in french youtube media. Where the right is indeed declining.
Yes, and also because they do not care to really take a good look for what they are voting and the reality behind those measures. Being fed up doesn't prevent you from doing the right choice.
Yes they can.
A war crime doesn't transform you into a terrorist group. Just a reminder that Israel is currently hold responsible of A LOT of war crimes multiple crimes against humanity, a genocide. Remember that they used a bippers attack to create fear without taking children or innocent into consideration.
On this basis, Israel should be named a terrorist state. Which is a nonsense just as much as saying that Hamas is a terrorist organization.
War crime =/= terrorism. By transforming a resistance group into a terrorist one, you are purposefully trying to negate the action of resistance itself.
Indeed. No one is saying that it does.
No. it's just an historical fact. The action of hamas ARE the result of decades of oppressions. It's a result of the dehumanization of a population and where the group of resistance has no choice but anger and horror as a weapon.
You should watch that (I pinned the right timecode):
Nothing is downplayed. What hamas did is horrible, BUT it is also something that is the result of Israel's actions. It's easy to tell "you have the choice not to act without humanity" when you are not oppressed.
You are not oppressed, so you do not understand what it does. But trust me, spend 70 years under constant oppression and constant dehumanization by a country that treats you like animals and TELL ME that you will have the strenght to raise your children with humanity for the other country or even tell me that children will be able to be "human" with the oppressor.
Humanity and respect is a priviledge of the dominant mate. Once you will be able to understand that, you will understand why what you are saying is pure BS.
Understanding is not excuzing Einstein. Start edfucating yourself on history and the sociology of oppressions and then come back to me with your priviledged reflexions.
No. It's simply a point of view of colonizers from countries that are dominating right now. Nothing more.
If the Nazism was hegemonic in the world, ALL countries would call the french and Italian resistance "terrorist groups". Would they be legitimate in those wordings ? No. That's why it's important to never forget the context when we talk about oppressions.
The fact that a lot of countries are naming them a terrorist group doesn't mean it's justified and legitimate.
Indeed, but it is again, not an argument.
The idea that resistance groups should be clean is a depoliticizing and neive vision of what resistance is.
Again, it's the vision of the colonizers and the dominant. The attack on the "purety" of a resistance group is perfectly inaudible when a population has been dehumanized for decades, oppressed and closed off from the world.
Which seems logical with the growth of social media
Well, maybe it come from a bias of mine. And maybe due to the current social status of the left in french youtube media. Where the right is indeed declining.
Yes, and also because they do not care to really take a good look for what they are voting and the reality behind those measures. Being fed up doesn't prevent you from doing the right choice.
Yes they can.
A war crime doesn't transform you into a terrorist group. Just a reminder that Israel is currently hold responsible of A LOT of war crimes multiple crimes against humanity, a genocide. Remember that they used a bippers attack to create fear without taking children or innocent into consideration.
On this basis, Israel should be named a terrorist state. Which is a nonsense just as much as saying that Hamas is a terrorist organization.
War crime =/= terrorism. By transforming a resistance group into a terrorist one, you are purposefully trying to negate the action of resistance itself.
Indeed. No one is saying that it does.
No. it's just an historical fact. The action of hamas ARE the result of decades of oppressions. It's a result of the dehumanization of a population and where the group of resistance has no choice but anger and horror as a weapon.
You should watch that (I pinned the right timecode):
Nothing is downplayed. What hamas did is horrible, BUT it is also something that is the result of Israel's actions. It's easy to tell "you have the choice not to act without humanity" when you are not oppressed.
You are not oppressed, so you do not understand what it does. But trust me, spend 70 years under constant oppression and constant dehumanization by a country that treats you like animals and TELL ME that you will have the strenght to raise your children with humanity for the other country or even tell me that children will be able to be "human" with the oppressor.
Humanity and respect is a priviledge of the dominant mate. Once you will be able to understand that, you will understand why what you are saying is pure BS.
Understanding is not excuzing Einstein. Start edfucating yourself on history and the sociology of oppressions and then come back to me with your priviledged reflexions.
No. It's simply a point of view of colonizers from countries that are dominating right now. Nothing more.
If the Nazism was hegemonic in the world, ALL countries would call the french and Italian resistance "terrorist groups". Would they be legitimate in those wordings ? No. That's why it's important to never forget the context when we talk about oppressions.
The fact that a lot of countries are naming them a terrorist group doesn't mean it's justified and legitimate.
Indeed, but it is again, not an argument.
The idea that resistance groups should be clean is a depoliticizing and neive vision of what resistance is.
Again, it's the vision of the colonizers and the dominant. The attack on the "purety" of a resistance group is perfectly inaudible when a population has been dehumanized for decades, oppressed and closed off from the world.
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Palestinians have right to have their own state and so does Israel.
Having that said, I totally agree with you. Anyone who thinks Hamas isn't a terror organization is just stupid and just expose themselves as ignorant one can get.
Hamas in their charter of 1988 advocated murder of Jews and destruction of Israel.
In early 1990s when peace process was getting pushed between Israel and PLO (Oslo accords), Hamas started suicide bombings targetting civilians to disrupt the peace process.
Once Oslo accords were signed, Hamas condemned the accords, as well as the PLO’s and Israel’s recognition of each other and went on a spree of violent attacks targeting civilians.
Yahya Sinwar, the political chief is responsible for killing civilians of more than 30 countries and has committed biggest massacre of Jews since Holocaust.
They used Hospitals (working hospitals treating civilian) as their command centres and take civilians as hostages to negotiate.
And, if you look into their funding then you will clearly see that this organization purpose is governed by geo politics to destroy Israel or destabilize it and not peace between Israel and Palestine.
Palestinians have right to have their State but Hamas is clearly a terror organization.
Having that said, I totally agree with you. Anyone who thinks Hamas isn't a terror organization is just stupid and just expose themselves as ignorant one can get.
Hamas in their charter of 1988 advocated murder of Jews and destruction of Israel.
In early 1990s when peace process was getting pushed between Israel and PLO (Oslo accords), Hamas started suicide bombings targetting civilians to disrupt the peace process.
Once Oslo accords were signed, Hamas condemned the accords, as well as the PLO’s and Israel’s recognition of each other and went on a spree of violent attacks targeting civilians.
Yahya Sinwar, the political chief is responsible for killing civilians of more than 30 countries and has committed biggest massacre of Jews since Holocaust.
They used Hospitals (working hospitals treating civilian) as their command centres and take civilians as hostages to negotiate.
And, if you look into their funding then you will clearly see that this organization purpose is governed by geo politics to destroy Israel or destabilize it and not peace between Israel and Palestine.
Palestinians have right to have their State but Hamas is clearly a terror organization.
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You are the one exposing yourself as completely lost on political history and political analysis.
I debunked this argument time and time again. But guys keep repeating it time and time again. At this point, you guyz are like a broken clock.
I will not do it here, go search a bit, it will make you do some work for once.
None of this negate the character of the organization as a movement of resistance.
You need to understand (-but I know you won't.. ) that doing war crimes like Bombing civilians (both Israel and Hamas did that *wink* *wink*) or trap bippers destined to a population knowing full well that civilians will be killed (Israel again *wink* *wink*) do NOT create transform said organization into a terrorist one.
Those are acts of war. And you must understand the difference.
(but then again, I'm not naive, I know you won't)
They also have a right of a defense. And you are not in position to say which organization is cleaner than the other.
Let's not forget that if we talk STRICKLY in term of barbarism here we have:
On hamas side:
> Some suicide bombing on civilians
> Rocket being launched on Israel by Hamas and other resistant groups
> War crimes on October 7th and 1000+ death and horrible images
On Israel side:
> The systemic and planned oppression of an entire population including rape, abduction and torture
> Palestinians being raped and tortured in prison systematically, children included.
> The planned colonization of Gaza and Palestine and acts of colonization all over the country
> The systemic dehumanization of Palestinian by the Israelian system
> The Nakba
> 70 + years of ALLL OF THAT
> Most likely 250 000 death because of Israel, most of them horrible and most of them are CHILDREN
> Multiples war crimes and multiple crimes against humanity (including a planned A planned starvation of an entire population)
> Ethnic Cleansing
Etc.
So.. Do not even try to have the balls to relativize the situation here or remove the context behind the actions of Hamas. You are in NO place in legitimacy
Palestinians have the right to a country and they ALSO have the right to defend themselves. It's not a right only Ukrainian have.
Hamas is like IDF, a group that fight on the interest of their people and yeah, they do some very shitty things that should NOT be excuse. But this doesn't change their status as a resistance.
It's not up to you to say how clean a resistance must be to be legitimate.
You are the one exposing yourself as completely lost on political history and political analysis.
I debunked this argument time and time again. But guys keep repeating it time and time again. At this point, you guyz are like a broken clock.
I will not do it here, go search a bit, it will make you do some work for once.
None of this negate the character of the organization as a movement of resistance.
You need to understand (-but I know you won't.. ) that doing war crimes like Bombing civilians (both Israel and Hamas did that *wink* *wink*) or trap bippers destined to a population knowing full well that civilians will be killed (Israel again *wink* *wink*) do NOT create transform said organization into a terrorist one.
Those are acts of war. And you must understand the difference.
(but then again, I'm not naive, I know you won't)
They also have a right of a defense. And you are not in position to say which organization is cleaner than the other.
Let's not forget that if we talk STRICKLY in term of barbarism here we have:
On hamas side:
> Some suicide bombing on civilians
> Rocket being launched on Israel by Hamas and other resistant groups
> War crimes on October 7th and 1000+ death and horrible images
On Israel side:
> The systemic and planned oppression of an entire population including rape, abduction and torture
> Palestinians being raped and tortured in prison systematically, children included.
> The planned colonization of Gaza and Palestine and acts of colonization all over the country
> The systemic dehumanization of Palestinian by the Israelian system
> The Nakba
> 70 + years of ALLL OF THAT
> Most likely 250 000 death because of Israel, most of them horrible and most of them are CHILDREN
> Multiples war crimes and multiple crimes against humanity (including a planned A planned starvation of an entire population)
> Ethnic Cleansing
Etc.
So.. Do not even try to have the balls to relativize the situation here or remove the context behind the actions of Hamas. You are in NO place in legitimacy
Palestinians have the right to a country and they ALSO have the right to defend themselves. It's not a right only Ukrainian have.
Hamas is like IDF, a group that fight on the interest of their people and yeah, they do some very shitty things that should NOT be excuse. But this doesn't change their status as a resistance.
It's not up to you to say how clean a resistance must be to be legitimate.
Using the words correctly is a little bit more complex than just cloning the definition of a dictionnarie .
If you can't understand that words are living concepts that comes with contexts and usages, I can't help you.
Take some classes of linguistic and come back to me when you will have understood why using dictionnary definitions to make an argumentation is considered a faux pas.
If you can't understand that words are living concepts that comes with contexts and usages, I can't help you.
Take some classes of linguistic and come back to me when you will have understood why using dictionnary definitions to make an argumentation is considered a faux pas.
Look bro. Take the L. Whilst language is evolving; dictionaries are updated with the evolution of language. You have said something wrong, yet believe and assert your interpretation is the correct one because to say otherwise is to give ground, and we -all- know that is something you will never do in any significant way.
You wish to believe HAMAS is some sort of freedom fighting organization because it upholds your narrow view of morality: Oppressed vs Oppressor.
You wish to believe HAMAS is some sort of freedom fighting organization because it upholds your narrow view of morality: Oppressed vs Oppressor.
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It’s Joever for Germany , Major companies are laying off big time , but stupid leaders will say we will send billions of € to Ukraine and it’s okay if the economy tanks
I am certain they will find excuse to blame Trump now .
So Hamas is terrorist or Freedom fighter according to you ?
It’s Joever for Germany , Major companies are laying off big time , but stupid leaders will say we will send billions of € to Ukraine and it’s okay if the economy tanks
I am certain they will find excuse to blame Trump now .
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So Hamas is terrorist or Freedom fighter according to you ?
