Controversial Phinks vs Uvogin - Strongest Enhancer in the Phantom Troupe
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Q1: Replace Silva here with all-out Uvogin, how do you think Chrollo is handling a Big Bang? Keep in mind, Uvo's statement about nobody being able to block his Big Bang.
tho u can then argue uvo being stronger than chrollo lol
Q2: Replace Silva here with Uvogin again, what happens to Cheetu?
cheetu does 0 damage and just exhausts himself
huge chance he might break his arms too
see , now regarding this matchup
feitan will win even if he survives just 1 punch from uvogin
a broken arm and some damage from zazan's emission made him summon a fucking sun
which is overkill for someone like uvo
and Uvo also tends to start his fights at a small pace , always putting himself at risks
those shadow beasts would have legit beaten him if that dog used poison
same with kurapika
uvo always plays with his food which gives his opponents the chance to provide lethal damage
and this is just how enhancers behave , they have a slow start in combat
feitan is the worst type of guy to go against uvo , once uvo punches him
its basically over if feitan survived
uvo's wincon here is to go all out big bang from the start and crush feitan's head
but feitan is also a super fast character , he might dodge initial big bang with some lethal damage on him
I will say both of them got a chance to beat each other , but feitan has more weight on his side
My ranking
Tier 1
- Chrollo
Tier 2
- Phinks = Feitan
- Uvogin
(Each of the duo is stronger due to better intelligence and hatsus)
Tier 3: Squadron Leader tier
- Nobunaga
- Matchi
- Franklin
(No paticular Order)
Tier 4
- Shalnark
- Bono
- Shizuku
- Kalluto
(Shal and Bono >= Shizuku >= Kalluto)
Tier 5: Soldier lvl
- Kortopi
- Paku
( Paku > Kortopi)
Tier 1
- Chrollo
Tier 2
- Phinks = Feitan
- Uvogin
(Each of the duo is stronger due to better intelligence and hatsus)
Tier 3: Squadron Leader tier
- Nobunaga
- Matchi
- Franklin
(No paticular Order)
Tier 4
- Shalnark
- Bono
- Shizuku
- Kalluto
(Shal and Bono >= Shizuku >= Kalluto)
Tier 5: Soldier lvl
- Kortopi
- Paku
( Paku > Kortopi)
Agreed. Feitan and uvo are easily a level above phinks. No idea why chrono is wanking him lol.
Tier 1
- Chrollo
-Hisoka
Tier 2
- Uvogin = Feitan
Tier 3: Squadron Leader tier
-Phinks
- Nobunaga
Tier 4
- Franklin
- Machi
- Shalnark
- Bono
- Shizuku
- Kalluto
Tier 5: Soldier lvl
- Paku
- Kortopi
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Tier 1
- Chrollo
-Hisoka
Tier 2
- Uvogin = Feitan
Tier 3: Squadron Leader tier
-Phinks
- Nobunaga
Tier 4
- Franklin
- Machi
- Shalnark
- Bono
- Shizuku
- Kalluto
Tier 5: Soldier lvl
- Paku
- Kortopi
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Phinks opponent is fodder, while Feitan's opponent was a Squadron Leader lol.
Phinks & Feitan both used their Nen Ability ONCE and ended up winning.
You get it.
Maybe, but I can also argue that Cheetu is way, way above Zazan's speed capabilities.
Leave matchups for a second and focus on the absolutes, both Cheetu & Zazan were Squadron Leaders and are supposed to be relative.
Not really. All i'm infering is that Uvo would be better than Chrollo physically.
Chrollo has like multiple ways to kill Uvo too, and it'll be a fight where Chrollo prepares his plan and it's up to Uvo to survive that.
But once again, when you take a step back from the matchups and look at the absolutes, you see how someone like Hisoka thinks highly of Chrollo & Illumi among the troupe - but doesn't hold Uvogin in the same regard.
So imo, the only 3 Troupe members who are definitely superior to Uvo are Chrollo, Hisoka & Illumi.
Yeah. I agree, Feitan is a bad match for Uvogin.
A Mahoraga-esque situation, where Uvo would have to finish Feitan in one-hit without damaging him prior to it.
But that's very hypothetical, considering full intel on Uvo's side and not in character for Uvo at all.
Feitan is a 50/50 for being stronger than Uvo depending on the limitations & conditions of his ability imo.
Illumi in Tier 1.
Otherwise, a perfect list imo.
Phinks opponent is fodder, while Feitan's opponent was a Squadron Leader lol.
Phinks & Feitan both used their Nen Ability ONCE and ended up winning.
You get it.Maybe, but I can also argue that Cheetu is way, way above Zazan's speed capabilities.
Leave matchups for a second and focus on the absolutes, both Cheetu & Zazan were Squadron Leaders and are supposed to be relative.
Not really. All i'm infering is that Uvo would be better than Chrollo physically.
Chrollo has like multiple ways to kill Uvo too, and it'll be a fight where Chrollo prepares his plan and it's up to Uvo to survive that.
But once again, when you take a step back from the matchups and look at the absolutes, you see how someone like Hisoka thinks highly of Chrollo & Illumi among the troupe - but doesn't hold Uvogin in the same regard.
So imo, the only 3 Troupe members who are definitely superior to Uvo are Chrollo, Hisoka & Illumi.
Yeah. I agree, Feitan is a bad match for Uvogin.
A Mahoraga-esque situation, where Uvo would have to finish Feitan in one-hit without damaging him prior to it.
But that's very hypothetical, considering full intel on Uvo's side and not in character for Uvo at all.
Feitan is a 50/50 for being stronger than Uvo depending on the limitations & conditions of his ability imo.
Illumi in Tier 1.
Otherwise, a perfect list imo.
That version of Zazan pretty much clears the entire troupe btw. Too fast, too strong, too durable for 95% of them.
Feitan and Uvo are the two troupe members that got that "move out of their way and let them go to work portrayal" in the troupe. Feitan is overall the stronger combatant though, not only is he faster but his AP/DC was much greater than Uvo's as well. I don't see how he doesn't scale above Uvogin.
Feitan and Uvo are the two troupe members that got that "move out of their way and let them go to work portrayal" in the troupe. Feitan is overall the stronger combatant though, not only is he faster but his AP/DC was much greater than Uvo's as well. I don't see how he doesn't scale above Uvogin.
Uvogin is better overall. Phinks can theoretically produce more AP, but i doubt Uvogin would allow him the chance to generate all that power and he certainly is not landing a clean hit on Uvogin.
Uvogin wins by going ape shit all over Phinks right from the beginning.
This is like asking who would win in a fight between G4 Luffy and King Elizabello lol
Uvogin wins by going ape shit all over Phinks right from the beginning.
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Uvo's hatsu is not something where he has to wait for a long time like the fraud phinks 
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The thing is, Porcupine didn't have hair (at least in the manga he's completely bald, in both versions of the anime he had a small tuft in his forehead). Thus, he's probably a transmuter, as that's what transmuters do: change the properties of their aura to replicate something else. E.g.: Killua's base hatsu trasmutes his aura into lightning; Hisoka's Bungee Gum has the properties of both rubber and gum; Youpi can change his anatomy entirely. Porcupine is also listed as a transmuter in the databooks.
Well, my point of Rabid Dog being a transmuter is that he also has a paralyzing neurotoxin in his mouth. While it was never revealed if it was his nen's doing or not, he might be a transmuter if it's true (he basically creates a neurotoxin with his aura).
Rabid Dog is listed as an enhancer in the databooks, but, even if he was a transmuter, he cheap shotted Uvo; none of his bites were direct attacks (he could've used ko in his teeth while Uvo had minimal aura to protect himself). And the Shadow Beasts were quite skilled, per Shalnark's own admission.
True, but it may be all part of his hatsu: change his aura into hair (transmutation hatsu) and enhance it to become sharper than steel (enhancement / ten / shu).
That's if Phinks manage to land it. As some people here are underestimating Phinks' speed, you're also underestimating Uvo's speed and reflexes (and, to some extent, Emperor Time's Kurapika's capabilities too). Uvo was able to avoid Kurapika's chains for most of his battle against him, and Kurapika might be even faster than Phinks.
Kurapika is probably one of the greatest talents of his generation. As a child, he could already beat 3 adults effortlessly (which indicates that Emperor's Time also enhances Kurapika's physical attributes). In Yorkshin, after just a few months of nen training, he was already able to keep up with experienced nen users like the troupe members. After just 2 years of learning nen, he's already a Zodiac and doesn't seem to be behind the others (yeah, he was invited due to Leorio, but Mizaistom was quite impressed with his abilities). Additionally, he has one of the most broken abilities in the series, Emperor's Time.
Again, I do think that it would be a hard battle for both of them, but the manga so far has strong evidence for Uvo's victory.
Well, my point of Rabid Dog being a transmuter is that he also has a paralyzing neurotoxin in his mouth. While it was never revealed if it was his nen's doing or not, he might be a transmuter if it's true (he basically creates a neurotoxin with his aura).
Rabid Dog is listed as an enhancer in the databooks, but, even if he was a transmuter, he cheap shotted Uvo; none of his bites were direct attacks (he could've used ko in his teeth while Uvo had minimal aura to protect himself). And the Shadow Beasts were quite skilled, per Shalnark's own admission.
True, but it may be all part of his hatsu: change his aura into hair (transmutation hatsu) and enhance it to become sharper than steel (enhancement / ten / shu).
That's if Phinks manage to land it. As some people here are underestimating Phinks' speed, you're also underestimating Uvo's speed and reflexes (and, to some extent, Emperor Time's Kurapika's capabilities too). Uvo was able to avoid Kurapika's chains for most of his battle against him, and Kurapika might be even faster than Phinks.
Kurapika is probably one of the greatest talents of his generation. As a child, he could already beat 3 adults effortlessly (which indicates that Emperor's Time also enhances Kurapika's physical attributes). In Yorkshin, after just a few months of nen training, he was already able to keep up with experienced nen users like the troupe members. After just 2 years of learning nen, he's already a Zodiac and doesn't seem to be behind the others (yeah, he was invited due to Leorio, but Mizaistom was quite impressed with his abilities). Additionally, he has one of the most broken abilities in the series, Emperor's Time.
Again, I do think that it would be a hard battle for both of them, but the manga so far has strong evidence for Uvo's victory.