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I think that that works with the assumption that God does not help us as much as is possible without overstepping our free will,
I had a pretty harsh childhood and I am glad that I went through it because without that a lot of great things may not have happened and maybe many more that will happen wouldn't have happened if I didn't go through that,
I can't tell you everything and I don't have all the answers, but it's a possibility so I think it is worth considering,
And I think that if we look at the Bible God's behaviour points to Him doing as much as possible while respecting our choices,
It may be possible that He doesn't do that, but I think that that would be inconsistent with what we know about His actions, and He says He is the ssme yesterday today and tomorrow, so I think He does do what's best and respects our decisions too,
I had a pretty harsh childhood and I am glad that I went through it because without that a lot of great things may not have happened and maybe many more that will happen wouldn't have happened if I didn't go through that,
I can't tell you everything and I don't have all the answers, but it's a possibility so I think it is worth considering,
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And I think that if we look at the Bible God's behaviour points to Him doing as much as possible while respecting our choices,
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It may be possible that He doesn't do that, but I think that that would be inconsistent with what we know about His actions, and He says He is the ssme yesterday today and tomorrow, so I think He does do what's best and respects our decisions too,
Yeah.. well I'm sorry but I don't buy this excuse lol. Also I do not believe in freewill so I can't really stand by this argumentation either.
What about floods, earthquakes etc. ? What about childrens under genocide ?
I'm sorry, but "god" has no excuses. Stayin neutral in front of oppression is a choice, the choice to accept it as acceptable. Either it exists, it's not a god and there should be a trial either it doesn't and.. well there is no problem.
What about floods, earthquakes etc. ? What about childrens under genocide ?
I'm sorry, but "god" has no excuses. Stayin neutral in front of oppression is a choice, the choice to accept it as acceptable. Either it exists, it's not a god and there should be a trial either it doesn't and.. well there is no problem.
Sure,
I didn't say He was neutral, but I said that He doesn't disregard our choices, I have no way of knowing what He has done in the whole world in the same way that the Bible tells us of some things that happened in those times, but I think it would be very inconsistent for Him not to help people as before,
And may I ask why don't you believe in free will?,
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I didn't say He was neutral, but I said that He doesn't disregard our choices, I have no way of knowing what He has done in the whole world in the same way that the Bible tells us of some things that happened in those times, but I think it would be very inconsistent for Him not to help people as before,
And may I ask why don't you believe in free will?,
Jesus said He is the bright and morning star, the sun,
Revelation 22:16
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Revelation 22:4-5
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Angels may be like the stars, because
Matthew 22:22-30
22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.
23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27 And last of all the woman died also.
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
People in the ressurection will be like the angels of God in heaven,
Daniel 12:3
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
And they will shine like the star for ever and ever,
Shining like the stars and being like the angels may be a coincidence, or it may point to the angels being like the stars,
Also God is a spirit ,
John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
And angels are spirits,
Hebrews 1:6-14
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 2:1-4
2 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
God is a spirit, the angels are spirits, and the sun and the stars run on the sane type of energy right?,
Revelation 22:16
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Revelation 22:4-5
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
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Angels may be like the stars, because
Matthew 22:22-30
22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.
23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27 And last of all the woman died also.
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
People in the ressurection will be like the angels of God in heaven,
Daniel 12:3
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
And they will shine like the star for ever and ever,
Shining like the stars and being like the angels may be a coincidence, or it may point to the angels being like the stars,
Also God is a spirit ,
John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
And angels are spirits,
Hebrews 1:6-14
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 2:1-4
2 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
God is a spirit, the angels are spirits, and the sun and the stars run on the sane type of energy right?,
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Well... Natural disasters are a thing....
Because it is a physical impossibility.
For Free Will - as we usually define it - to exist, our "conscious will" would need to precedes the electrical interactions within our brain that create our consciousness. But we know those interactions come before our consciousness.
Therefore the notion of Free Will is a paradox. The only way for Free Will to exist would be if our conscious will was created ex-nihilo before any connection that create consciousness.
But as I explained, consciousness is created by those interactions and not the opposite. In other words, Free will as in our "conscious will" is a physical impossibility.
Our will and our choices are all the products of material conditions:
- Our brain composition
- Our genetical material
- Our physical environment
- Our sociology
- Our material condition in society
Because it is a physical impossibility.
For Free Will - as we usually define it - to exist, our "conscious will" would need to precedes the electrical interactions within our brain that create our consciousness. But we know those interactions come before our consciousness.
Therefore the notion of Free Will is a paradox. The only way for Free Will to exist would be if our conscious will was created ex-nihilo before any connection that create consciousness.
But as I explained, consciousness is created by those interactions and not the opposite. In other words, Free will as in our "conscious will" is a physical impossibility.
Our will and our choices are all the products of material conditions:
- Our brain composition
- Our genetical material
- Our physical environment
- Our sociology
- Our material condition in society
Also God is a spirit ,
John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
And angels are spirits,
Hebrews 1:6-14
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 2:1-4
2 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
God is a spirit, the angels are spirits, and the sun and the stars run on the sane type of energy right?,
John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
And angels are spirits,
Hebrews 1:6-14
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 2:1-4
2 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
God is a spirit, the angels are spirits, and the sun and the stars run on the sane type of energy right?,
Sometimes I wonder if God really exists. I still pray and what not, but tbh I feel like a big reason for it is that I do it because it makes me feel good.
The week between Jewish new year and Yom Kippur is like the most important time of the year in Judaism.
It is said that this is when God decides who lives and dies the coming year.
The past high holidays was especially tough because my friend committed suicide the week before.
I remember when I was at that service, I just couldn’t shake the thought that God was responsible for my friend’s death. That he either was indifferent or somehow fated it to happen.
I talked to some rabbis and they assured me that wasn’t the case, but idk.
It seems like lots of people have miserable lives and god is at best indifferent to their suffering
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The week between Jewish new year and Yom Kippur is like the most important time of the year in Judaism.
It is said that this is when God decides who lives and dies the coming year.
The past high holidays was especially tough because my friend committed suicide the week before.
I remember when I was at that service, I just couldn’t shake the thought that God was responsible for my friend’s death. That he either was indifferent or somehow fated it to happen.
I talked to some rabbis and they assured me that wasn’t the case, but idk.
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It seems like lots of people have miserable lives and god is at best indifferent to their suffering
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