Questions & Mysteries Team Gaban or Team Shiki?

[Xione]

Roger re-discovered the OP treasure and started the pirate age to encourage the next Joy Boy, both of which are undoubtedly important history-making events.
But Rocks' actions were so dangerous as to require him being cleansed from history books. Rocks is the nega-Roger, inspiring the Blackbeards and the Caribous into taking to the sea with the air of destabilizing the entire world order for chaos' sake, not in the name of freedom.
They're both sides of the same coin, but only one of them was made into a secret taboo himself, while every schmuck knows Roger's name.

I think you're overhyping Xebec's importance.
Rocks isn't the only one removed from history books.
The very samething was stated about ID lvl 6 prisoners in particular Devon, San Juan, Vasco.

You couldn't erase Roger, he made it so you couldn't when he turned himself in and kicked off the great pirate age. You think the World Government didn't attempt to? They slaughted countless civilians to hunt down last remaining blood trace of his lineage. People like Tom who were related to him got hunted down.

- Roger was the first person in history to reach Lodestar, this alone was history making.
- Roger then became the first person in known history to complete the grandline voyage.

Roger didn't rediscover the OP-treasure. He created it. The OP treasure that the world thinks about isn't "leftovers of the ancient kingdom" thats just something we the readers know and top tiers aiming for Ancient Weapons, to the average jabroni who became a pirate it's the idea that there's a treasure that's the accumulation of everything Roger attained, and he left it there on the final island. The "One Piece" is the indirect result of what Roger spoke as his last words.

Rocks in comparison was a terrorist with powerful people under him who did some terrible shit, while having the same Ambition that Big Mom, Kaido, Shiki all shared, ruling the world.


Rocks as a pirate isn't more important than Roger and even Newgate tbh.

 

[Jailer]

It will be Gaban who gets killed by Loki

 

[Date]

Bet it's the burn scar man.


Shiki don't really have many connection to the main plot, is too weak to be a villain, qnd he has that shit is his head that won't fit a hat.


Don't know if it's necessary Gaban, but perhaps another one of the Roger pirates

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It’s neither

I doubt it’s Shiki because Oda had Elbaf, at least conceptually, thought out since pre skip. He definitely didn’t have the arc fully planned that long ago. But he at least had some ideas.

If Shiki was ever going to be a major villain, Oda wouldn’t have had pre skip Luffy beat him in strong world.

It’s not going to be Gaban because he is irrelevant lmfao.

Look at Louis Arnot’s statement. This guy is clearly the villain of the arc. Which makes sense given how Oda foreshadowed him in a cover story and he was silhouetted before this arc began. He’s very clearly a major character.

Shiki and Gaban have never been mystery characters. Oda drew them both in wano and egghead.

My best guess. New guy, the burned man, and the Shanks-looking silhouette from 1121 are all the same character.

In the era of Roger, we know of 3 great pirates: Roger, WB, and Shiki. But given how the yonko system works, there should have been a fourth great pirate to complete the yonko system.

My guess: new guy is an ex-yonko of the Roger era. He was defeated by the marines and presumed dead. Akainu was the guy who scarred him, but he fell via a team effort from the other admirals.

 

[Kurozumi D. Trussop]

What if it’s Yoriki? Brook’s old captain.

 

[moreha9685]

I think you're overhyping Xebec's importance.
Rocks isn't the only one removed from history books.
The very samething was stated about ID lvl 6 prisoners in particular Devon, San Juan, Vasco.

You couldn't erase Roger, he made it so you couldn't when he turned himself in and kicked off the great pirate age. You think the World Government didn't attempt to? They slaughted countless civilians to hunt down last remaining blood trace of his lineage. People like Tom who were related to him got hunted down.

- Roger was the first person in history to reach Lodestar, this alone was history making.
- Roger then became the first person in known history to complete the grandline voyage.

Roger didn't rediscover the OP-treasure. He created it. The OP treasure that the world thinks about isn't "leftovers of the ancient kingdom" thats just something we the readers know and top tiers aiming for Ancient Weapons, to the average jabroni who became a pirate it's the idea that there's a treasure that's the accumulation of everything Roger attained, and he left it there on the final island. The "One Piece" is the indirect result of what Roger spoke as his last words.

Rocks in comparison was a terrorist with powerful people under him who did some terrible shit, while having the same Ambition that Big Mom, Kaido, Shiki all shared, ruling the world.


Rocks as a pirate isn't more important than Roger and even Newgate tbh.

Like I said, to the average schmuck, Roger is the quintessential pirate. The story places him from the very beginning in the proper light, having started the era that will right the Void's wrongs.

But just as it took time for Oda to show us that Roger wasn't the originator of the treasure itself, only of its fame, and that Luffy is rather carrying Joy Boy's will, a figure completely unmentioned before FMI, likewise I believe there is more to Xebec than just "evil guy wants to control the world."

I believe that he knew that the world was already controlled from the shadows. Either he was aware of IMU by name, or had simply deduced the existence of a puppet master above the Gorosei, it's unimportant. Xebec's role is the same as Roger's: realize that history has been manipulated, uncover the culprits, and oust them. What changes is the aftermath. Roger likely wanted to avoid another IMU take over, whereas Xebec wants to be him.

If this all leads back to the D. clans originally ruling the AK, Xebec might have had a right to the throne more than IMU, making his attack on God Valley a skewed version of Luffy's "throw the foreign king out and restore the rightful heir" routine.

You can see Xebec as a terrorist, but then Roger isn't that far off, being himself responsible for an increase in the number of criminals who decided to take to the sea after hearing his last words.

 

[Gyro]

if it's the same guy drinking with crocus then it's 100% gaban
and I hope it is
love shiki but we know about him already and would probably get attention in the future god valley flashback
getting to know gaban is more interesting

 

[matt245]

Aside from you being wrong as to when Gaban first appeared, Oda waited 1000 chapters to introduce Rocks, and he's shaping up to be more important than Roger.

I'm talking about a proper introduction like Rayleigh got. As per Rocks, if you are comparing Gaban's importance to Rocks', I'm sorry but you are retarded beyond repair

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

It's not Gaban. That retard is never going to be relevant cuz Oda doesn't give a fuck about him. Y'all really think Oda would wait over 1100 chapters to introduce Gaban when he introduced Rayleigh himself in the first 19??

Gaban should remain irrelevant because he's lame and it would be repetitive, but he also appeared in the 19th chapter

I hope it's Shiki or a new character because they're infinitely cooler

 

[Ven437]

Gaban would offer something brand new to the story

If it’s Shiki then Oda has genuinely ran out of good ideas

 

[moreha9685]

I'm talking about a proper introduction like Rayleigh got. As per Rocks, if you are comparing Gaban's importance to Rocks', I'm sorry but you are retarded beyond repair

I wasn't comparing them per se, if only you could read. What I meant is, a late introduction isn't necessarily sign of irrelevancy.

 

[Aknolagon]

I think we need a great and strong villain for this arc. Loki seems okayish ...
But imagine if it's Shiki someone who fought with Xebec, WB, Kaido and Big Mom and against Garp, Roger, Sengoku.
Shiki sounds more hype. That's some PK lvl dude.

But i guess he is too old and we had already a movie with him vs Luffy so ...

Gaban ? well it's good opportunity to introduce him also.

 

[Gyro]

I'm talking about a proper introduction like Rayleigh got

lol you said
(Y'all really think Oda would wait over 1100 chapters to introduce Gaban when he introduced Rayleigh himself in the first 19?? )
Rayleigh wasn't introduced properly in chapter 19
that is just his first appearance , like gaban

 

[Yoho]

if it's the same guy drinking with crocus then it's 100% gaban
and I hope it is
love shiki but we know about him already and would probably get attention in the future god valley flashback
getting to know gaban is more interesting

The guy drinking with Crocus was shown in the colored chapters to have blonde hair

Gaban has black hair, so unless Gaban randomly decided to dye his hair like a teenaged girl, these are two completely different characters

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

The guy drinking with Crocus was shown in the colored chapters to have blonde hair

Gaban has black hair, so unless Gaban randomly decided to dye his hair like a teenaged girl, these are two completely different characters

Or his hair turned grey/white from getting old.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

I think we need a great and strong villain for this arc. Loki seems okayish ...
But imagine if it's Shiki someone who fought with Xebec, WB, Kaido and Big Mom and against Garp, Roger, Sengoku.
Shiki sounds more hype. That's some PK lvl dude.

But i guess he is too old and we had already a movie with him vs Luffy so ...

Gaban ? well it's good opportunity to introduce him also.

Trust in Loki agenda

The trickster god will not disappoint.

Once he is out of the sea stone chains, it's over for the clown hat pirates and the nika twerking giants

 

[Yoho]

Or his hair turned grey/white from getting old.

Either way, the guy in the cover story had luscious blonde locks,

 

[MonochromeYoru]

The guy drinking with Crocus was shown in the colored chapters to have blonde hair

Gaban has black hair, so unless Gaban randomly decided to dye his hair like a teenaged girl, these are two completely different characters

Not oda.

We had a similar case recently. The official colored manga had Jupeter as a blond. When oda did the recent volume cover, he was shown to be grey like the rest of the gorosei.

 

[Yoho]

Not oda.

We had a similar case recently. The official colored manga had Jupeter as a blond. When oda did the recent volume cover, he was shown to be grey like the rest of the gorosei.

You'd think that would of been corrected sooner this Jupeter was depicted as blonde in the anime as well

 

[Gyro]

The guy drinking with Crocus was shown in the colored chapters to have blonde hair

Gaban has black hair, so unless Gaban randomly decided to dye his hair like a teenaged girl, these are two completely different characters

is that the official coloring ?
i mean denjiro's hair changed from black to blue just by being angry , so gaban dying his hair doesn't sound so crazy lol
either way it can't be shiki , imagine the guy planning a 20 years old evil plan drinking with the subordinate of his worst enemy