Character Discussion Sengoku & Sakazuki - A Comparison Between The Two Fleet Admirals
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Morality, Character & Ambition
Sengoku has never shown any ambition besides fulfilling his Admiral/ Fleet Admiral duties. He cares about upholding the law because it is his job
Sengoku ordered the Ohara buster call, did he do it because he thought it was right? That's most certainly not the case. To Sengoku, government orders are the words of god, to some extent "Government Dog" suits him the most
Sengoku was also involved in the killing of any pregnant woman in contact with Roger, likely among countless atrocities we are not aware of
His reactions to Whitebeard's last speech and Vegapunk's speech are also telling of what kind of a man he is
Now he might have gone soft with age, but that doesn't cancel the kind of man he was in the past
As for character, even though Sengoku is supposed to be the only CoC user, he sure was portrayed as a paranoid faint hearted soldier, contrary to Sakazuki being a tenacious and confident leader. In Marineford, this was portrayed clearly
Sengoku was a competent strategist in Marineford, but failed big time as a leader. Luckily for the marines Sakazuki was there to take the mantle
In countless panels we see Sengoku acting weak and indecisive
Whereas Akainu was raising morale and thinking of a plan to reverse this loss
When Blackbeard obtained the Gura, we see Sengoku shitting bricks
Meanwhile Akainu gave him the "I'm coming for your ass later" look and continued pursuing Luffy
Akainu even amidst this chaotic era is still as confident as one can be
When it comes to ambition, Sakazuki has his own goals, he is hellbent on destroying piracy. This is what drives him to uphold the law unlike Sengoku who is doing it for his office job. When Sakazuki bombed the Ohara ship, he did it out of principle.
He is as passionate about destroying piracy as Luffy is about becoming the Pirate King. Sengoku never had such resolve.
Akainu is the type of dawg to walk into the Gorosei hall, light a cigar, mock them to their face and even give them an order
Meanwhile Sengoku
It is no wonder that the marines under Sakazuki's leadership are stronger and more determined than they've ever been
Moving HQ to the New World is also a ballsy move that Sengoku would never commit to
In conclusion
-Akainu is a stronger leader than Sengoku
-Akainu works on principle and ambition unlike Sengoku who was more worried about the Government's approval
-Akainu is individually stronger than Sengoku
Basically better than Sengoku at everything
"B-but Sengoku has CoC"
Sengoku has never shown any ambition besides fulfilling his Admiral/ Fleet Admiral duties. He cares about upholding the law because it is his job
Sengoku ordered the Ohara buster call, did he do it because he thought it was right? That's most certainly not the case. To Sengoku, government orders are the words of god, to some extent "Government Dog" suits him the most
Sengoku was also involved in the killing of any pregnant woman in contact with Roger, likely among countless atrocities we are not aware of
His reactions to Whitebeard's last speech and Vegapunk's speech are also telling of what kind of a man he is
Now he might have gone soft with age, but that doesn't cancel the kind of man he was in the past
As for character, even though Sengoku is supposed to be the only CoC user, he sure was portrayed as a paranoid faint hearted soldier, contrary to Sakazuki being a tenacious and confident leader. In Marineford, this was portrayed clearly
Sengoku was a competent strategist in Marineford, but failed big time as a leader. Luckily for the marines Sakazuki was there to take the mantle
In countless panels we see Sengoku acting weak and indecisive
Whereas Akainu was raising morale and thinking of a plan to reverse this loss
When Blackbeard obtained the Gura, we see Sengoku shitting bricks
Meanwhile Akainu gave him the "I'm coming for your ass later" look and continued pursuing Luffy
Akainu even amidst this chaotic era is still as confident as one can be
When it comes to ambition, Sakazuki has his own goals, he is hellbent on destroying piracy. This is what drives him to uphold the law unlike Sengoku who is doing it for his office job. When Sakazuki bombed the Ohara ship, he did it out of principle.
He is as passionate about destroying piracy as Luffy is about becoming the Pirate King. Sengoku never had such resolve.
Akainu is the type of dawg to walk into the Gorosei hall, light a cigar, mock them to their face and even give them an order
Meanwhile Sengoku
It is no wonder that the marines under Sakazuki's leadership are stronger and more determined than they've ever been
Moving HQ to the New World is also a ballsy move that Sengoku would never commit to
In conclusion
-Akainu is a stronger leader than Sengoku
-Akainu works on principle and ambition unlike Sengoku who was more worried about the Government's approval
-Akainu is individually stronger than Sengoku
Basically better than Sengoku at everything
"B-but Sengoku has CoC"
- I don't think he's a stronger leader, he's a more aggressive leader than Sengoku.
- Both care about the World Government's approval. Sengoku's ideals are simply based on trying to maintain and minimize damage, which is just a difference in temperaments. We've already had scenes like Sengoku being pissed at the WG trying to cover up the escape of the ID lvl 6 criminals.
- Sengoku cares about the limiting of Chaos. Sakazuki is willing to take part in that chaos to get his objective done.
Doesn't make one a better leader. And certainly, doesn't mean only Akainu is working on principle and ambition. The Gorosei wanted Akainu over Kuzan for a reason, despite Sengoku's recommendation, because he's the most in line with how they think/want. He wouldn't have that position if he didn't care about the Government's approval, that's what the position is for.. to carry out the WG's will.
Kuzan gave the snail to the son. Saka personally genocided the people of Ohara. Onigumo maass murdered 100+ marines during the buster call just to get Luffy.
They're still going about their lives. All Marines chill around at Mariejois while innocent women, children, elderly are taken away at whim and turned into slaves and then killed at leisure.
That was Kong, not Sengoku if you're talking about the FA role. Though, Akainu, Kuzan, Borsalino, Garp, Saul, etc all oversaw it, as they were all Marines of solid ranking.
- Both care about the World Government's approval. Sengoku's ideals are simply based on trying to maintain and minimize damage, which is just a difference in temperaments. We've already had scenes like Sengoku being pissed at the WG trying to cover up the escape of the ID lvl 6 criminals.
- Sengoku cares about the limiting of Chaos. Sakazuki is willing to take part in that chaos to get his objective done.
Doesn't make one a better leader. And certainly, doesn't mean only Akainu is working on principle and ambition. The Gorosei wanted Akainu over Kuzan for a reason, despite Sengoku's recommendation, because he's the most in line with how they think/want. He wouldn't have that position if he didn't care about the Government's approval, that's what the position is for.. to carry out the WG's will.
Kuzan gave the snail to the son. Saka personally genocided the people of Ohara. Onigumo maass murdered 100+ marines during the buster call just to get Luffy.
They're still going about their lives. All Marines chill around at Mariejois while innocent women, children, elderly are taken away at whim and turned into slaves and then killed at leisure.
That was Kong, not Sengoku if you're talking about the FA role. Though, Akainu, Kuzan, Borsalino, Garp, Saul, etc all oversaw it, as they were all Marines of solid ranking.
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He was old, washed up and closing in on retirement, we’re talking about the young ambitious Sengoku who gladly issued a buster call on Ohara
There’s a reason the Marines now are stronger than they’ve ever been, and that’s Akainu’s leadership
Stated clear as day how can we argue that lol
Akainu’s own ideals are naturally in line with the WG, that’s why they preferred him. Akainu doesn’t care about the Gorosei’s approval, he was talking smack and mocking them to their face the moment their methods clashed
Sengoku on the other hand has shown no agenda besides carrying out the job for the sake of it
There’s a reason the Marines now are stronger than they’ve ever been, and that’s Akainu’s leadership
Stated clear as day how can we argue that lol
Akainu’s own ideals are naturally in line with the WG, that’s why they preferred him. Akainu doesn’t care about the Gorosei’s approval, he was talking smack and mocking them to their face the moment their methods clashed
Sengoku on the other hand has shown no agenda besides carrying out the job for the sake of it
Yup just like Admiral Kuzan gladly gave Spandem the buster call button, who proceeded to use it on the World Government facility, that also took the lives of marines + world govevrnment officials.
Just like a young Sakazuki with his own hands slaughtered innocent civilians.
Admiral Sengoku giving the button to spandine is no more morally worse than those two. Let alone mentioning people like Onigumo who're allowed to kill their own marines to get some pirates lol... and still continue to be officers... or Saka willing to murder helpless fodder marines, instead of detaining them and putting them on trial.
Yup, the World Government decided to conduct the World Military Draft, something never sanctioned before. Thus, bolstering the Marine's strength to heights it's never seen before. An action that was the result of Sengoku/Garp going into semi-retirement and Kuzan leaving, and Sakazuki promoted to FA... combined with the rise of Blackbeard + Bolstering strengths of BBPs & BMPs, along with the RA's advances which gained even more momentum + the influx of pirates that the Marines no longer had the numbers to handle, even when Saka & Kuzan were admirals without leaving their Marine HQ undefended.
We know about Sengoku's personal ideas as much as we know about Sakazuki's, which is none. "Let's hunt down pirates" isn't Sakazuki's personal idea, it's an idea literally all major marines have shown Fuji/Aramaki/Smoker/Kizaru/Sentomaru/etc etc. He's simply shown more aggression about it. As for his own personal goals and ambitions we don't know as Oda is yet to explore those just like with Fuji and Aramaki's goals right now are a mystery.
But just as you can make up Akainu's own ideals are naturally in line with the WG. I can easily say Sengoku's own ideals are naturally in line with the WG. Hence, when the Gorosei insult Saka to his face by telling him to Shut his insolent mouth up, he'll still continue carrying out their will.
The only difference the two have shown is one is more aggressive while the other isn't as aggressive. This is all while considering we never saw Prime Sengoku as Fleet Admiral, only old Sengoku lol.
Just like a young Sakazuki with his own hands slaughtered innocent civilians.
Admiral Sengoku giving the button to spandine is no more morally worse than those two. Let alone mentioning people like Onigumo who're allowed to kill their own marines to get some pirates lol... and still continue to be officers... or Saka willing to murder helpless fodder marines, instead of detaining them and putting them on trial.
Yup, the World Government decided to conduct the World Military Draft, something never sanctioned before. Thus, bolstering the Marine's strength to heights it's never seen before. An action that was the result of Sengoku/Garp going into semi-retirement and Kuzan leaving, and Sakazuki promoted to FA... combined with the rise of Blackbeard + Bolstering strengths of BBPs & BMPs, along with the RA's advances which gained even more momentum + the influx of pirates that the Marines no longer had the numbers to handle, even when Saka & Kuzan were admirals without leaving their Marine HQ undefended.
We know about Sengoku's personal ideas as much as we know about Sakazuki's, which is none. "Let's hunt down pirates" isn't Sakazuki's personal idea, it's an idea literally all major marines have shown Fuji/Aramaki/Smoker/Kizaru/Sentomaru/etc etc. He's simply shown more aggression about it. As for his own personal goals and ambitions we don't know as Oda is yet to explore those just like with Fuji and Aramaki's goals right now are a mystery.
But just as you can make up Akainu's own ideals are naturally in line with the WG. I can easily say Sengoku's own ideals are naturally in line with the WG. Hence, when the Gorosei insult Saka to his face by telling him to Shut his insolent mouth up, he'll still continue carrying out their will.
The only difference the two have shown is one is more aggressive while the other isn't as aggressive. This is all while considering we never saw Prime Sengoku as Fleet Admiral, only old Sengoku lol.
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I'm definitely not saying Sengoku is morally worse than Sakazuki, Sakazuki is just a more goal driven individual, he chases after his targets relentlessly like a mad dog. What I'm saying is, whatever atrocities or "sacrifices" as he terms them he commits, he does it out of his own ideal of justice, he had already determined that Ohara was a sacrifice for the greater good, and finished it off with taking down the civilian ship, an act so extreme that not even the Government committed to doing, in this case Sakazuki was being even more thorough than the government. When the whole Doflamingo situation happened, Akainu couldn't contain himself and lashed out at the Gorosei, he only cares about his own vision of justice and wants to run things his way.
Sengoku is textbook pencil pusher, he's always nervous about the job, making him more inclined to please his bosses
His thoughts about Ohara were loud and clear, shut your trap and don't question the WG
If this was Sakazuki instead of Sengoku, he's either going to say how this is done for the greater good as he believes, or if in a foul mood there's a chance Saul gets executed on the spot because this mindset does not suit the navy in his books, a solider should be firm and just
Technically Sengoku's era had more top tiers
This is not a matter of powerscaling characters within the navy, it's simply that Akainu stern leadership and determination gave the navy a new spirit, this was bolstered by moving HQ to the New World
Jinbe did not sit down there powerscaling for sure
Aggression means more ambition, more spirit, something Akainu shares the most with Fujitora, which is why they lashed out at each other in that manner. Sengoku is faint hearted in comparison.
Sengoku is textbook pencil pusher, he's always nervous about the job, making him more inclined to please his bosses
His thoughts about Ohara were loud and clear, shut your trap and don't question the WG
If this was Sakazuki instead of Sengoku, he's either going to say how this is done for the greater good as he believes, or if in a foul mood there's a chance Saul gets executed on the spot because this mindset does not suit the navy in his books, a solider should be firm and just
Technically Sengoku's era had more top tiers
This is not a matter of powerscaling characters within the navy, it's simply that Akainu stern leadership and determination gave the navy a new spirit, this was bolstered by moving HQ to the New World
Jinbe did not sit down there powerscaling for sure
Aggression means more ambition, more spirit, something Akainu shares the most with Fujitora, which is why they lashed out at each other in that manner. Sengoku is faint hearted in comparison.
GB never nuked a ship full of innocent people.
What exactly did GB do that implies he is lacking morals?
Sakazukis ambition goes as far as the Gorosei allow it to go.
The moment he talks back to them he gets scolded like a little kid.
Sengoku having CoC makes no sense thematically. Same goes for Akainu unless he starts disobeying the WG.
Garp is the only Marine so far that has a legitimate right to have CoC.
What exactly did GB do that implies he is lacking morals?
Sakazukis ambition goes as far as the Gorosei allow it to go.
The moment he talks back to them he gets scolded like a little kid.
Sengoku having CoC makes no sense thematically. Same goes for Akainu unless he starts disobeying the WG.
Garp is the only Marine so far that has a legitimate right to have CoC.
Sengoku and Garp are the biggest losers in the story
Atleast Akainu has principles but Sengoku does more evil shit because he's a pussy
Can't even protect or avenge his family
You think he ever brought it up how Doffy killed his adopted son? Did he ever try to abolish the warlord system or atleast try to prevent him from joining? I guess he was busy killing pregnant women and then shouting at Garp which makes people think he's funny and a good guy.
Atleast Akainu has principles but Sengoku does more evil shit because he's a pussy
Can't even protect or avenge his family
You think he ever brought it up how Doffy killed his adopted son? Did he ever try to abolish the warlord system or atleast try to prevent him from joining? I guess he was busy killing pregnant women and then shouting at Garp which makes people think he's funny and a good guy.
As fascinating as this thread was, getting a glimpse of @Elder Lee Hung's political views was the most interesting part.
Then Fujitora is Bernie Sanders.
He did more drone strikes than Obama, while catching more civilians and rolling back on policies of transparency.
He was a direct contributor to war in Yemen, including bombing the kids.
His Abrahamic Records pretty much led to massive radicalization of Hamas and escalation of conflict.
Being "anti war" is just a PR, he was even worse than Obama
Sengoku = Obama
Then Fujitora is Bernie Sanders.
War criminal"
His entire campaign ran on being anti-war
His entire campaign ran on being anti-war
He was a direct contributor to war in Yemen, including bombing the kids.
His Abrahamic Records pretty much led to massive radicalization of Hamas and escalation of conflict.
Being "anti war" is just a PR, he was even worse than Obama
Sengoku = Obama
Kizaru is going to drone strike the children, but he’s going to cry about it.
Sengoku is Bush. He’s going to drone strike the children and schedule his tea time in the same meeting.
Ryokugyu is Trump, he’s going to drone strike the children while megalomaniacally ranting about the size of Akainu’s cock.
Fujitora is a true leftist saboteur. He’s going to order a drone strike on the children, but “accidentally” rerout the drones to strike a shareholders meeting while claiming he has no idea how such a gross miscalculation could have occurred.