Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

Well I don't. The same vein as not caring when rapist or pedos get beaten to death in prison whether they have families or not. Naturally a murderer will get convicted for life at least.



Really using my occupation for a false equivalence? The purpose of a CEO is to generate profits to shareholders. You don't become or stay a CEO by being ethical. For insurance companies, most of their income comes from premiums, while most of their expenses comes from the actual coverage. Did you know that their coverage is labeled as a liability? An expense that has to be reduced to be more profitable? United Healthcare does what all does, which is generate profit by increasing premiums and reducing their coverage. United Healthcare has a 32% denial rate, and is already proven that thousands have died due to denied coverage. Many more don't have the treatment for their conditions, and the CEO did nothing but make it harder during his short run.

As a yes man, he does everything I said above.


Never said nor implied tobacco is harmless. Still not explaining how investing in a stock is the same as causing the deaths of thousands of people by denying them treatment.

First, i never made any false equivalence. You are the one that misunderstood my statement and, ironically, is making a false equivalence. I never said your were a murderer. I said both are immoral in their own way, not that they are equal. Reading comprehension, plz. I called you out on tobacco stocks, cause i found it hypocritical of you to bash the CEO guy.

There is no moral high ground. It's just you here using logic that suggests punching someone in high school is the same as being a mass shooter, as both inflicts harm on someone.

No different than saying if you work and get paid, you are contributing to all deaths under capitalism and is part of the problem.

The mental gymnastics...i said they were both immoral IN THEIR OWN WAYS. I never made any false equivalences. Stop putting words on my mouth. Tobacco industry kills too. Anyone involved is profiting from blood money. Cope.and no, i'm not calling you a murder nor did i imply in past comments you were one

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The purpose of a CEO is to generate profits to shareholders.

yeah...tobacco stocks...

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If you smoke thats your choice though?

Is it moral to sell poison to people just cause they want to have a miserable and slow end? No, it isn't. It is essentiality what drugs do: kill people slowly. People here are pretending Tobacco industry doesn't run on blood money.

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I do feel bad for him and his family. And his killer will hopefully get what he deserves.

I feel for his family. For the guy, not so much.

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Well I don't. The same vein as not caring when rapist or pedos get beaten to death in prison whether they have families or not. Naturally a murderer will get convicted for life at least.

"Dictators,serial killers,pedos,rapists". Was the CEO a criminal or something? Am I missing something here? Immoral job? Probably, but so are Tobacco industries CEO's making profit out of ruining people's health to generate profit to SHAREHOLDERS.

 

[Uncle Van]

First, i never made any false equivalence. You are the one that misunderstood my statement and, ironically, is making a false equivalence. I never said your were a murderer. I said both are immoral in their own way, not that they are equal. Reading comprehension, plz. I called you out on tobacco stocks, cause i found it hypocritical of you to bash the CEO guy.

The mental gymnastics...i said they were both immoral IN THEIR OWN WAYS. I never made any false equivalences. Stop putting words on my mouth. Tobacco industry kills too. Anyone involved is profiting from blood money. Cope.and no, i'm not calling you a murder nor did i imply in past comments you were one

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yeah...tobacco stocks...

You're still making no sense and not answering the question. You said my comment about the CEO is ironic because I'm invested in a tobacco stock(I have other positions mind you) and that it makes me a hypocrite. Your reason for this is that both Tobacco and health insurance industries exploit the bad health of their clients for profit.

1. Capitalism in general is exploitation for profit.

2. Paying income taxes doesn't make you complacent in government bombings nor hypothetical for calling them out

3. Working for a company doesn't make you complacent in capitalist exploitation nor make you a hypocrite for calling it out

4. Anyone with a retirement account/401k has their money put into the stock market and into every industry, which includes United Healthcare itself. That doesn't make them complacent in anything UHC does.

5. A random guy investing in a stock doesn't make them a hypocrite for calling out a CEO that actively has decision power and pull, but chooses to deny people even life saving treatment for profit.

You're making so many wild comparisons for this to work. Is every person who works now a hypocrite? This is a pretty big rabbit hole.

 

[Logiko]

You're still making no sense and not answering the question. You said my comment about the CEO is ironic because I'm invested in a tobacco stock(I have other positions mind you) and that it makes me a hypocrite. Your reason for this is that both Tobacco and health insurance industries exploit the bad health of their clients for profit.

1. Capitalism in general is exploitation for profit.

2. Paying income taxes doesn't make you complacent in government bombings nor hypothetical for calling them out

3. Working for a company doesn't make you complacent in capitalist exploitation nor make you a hypocrite for calling it out

4. Anyone with a retirement account/401k has their money put into the stock market and into every industry, which includes United Healthcare itself. That doesn't make them complacent in anything UHC does.

5. A random guy investing in a stock doesn't make them a hypocrite for calling out a CEO that actively has decision power and pull, but chooses to deny people even life saving treatment for profit.

You're making so many wild comparisons for this to work. Is every person who works now a hypocrite? This is a pretty big rabbit hole.

I must say, I'm surprised, in a good way.

 

[NAMELESS]

You're still making no sense and not answering the question. You said my comment about the CEO is ironic because I'm invested in a tobacco stock(I have other positions mind you) and that it makes me a hypocrite. Your reason for this is that both Tobacco and health insurance industries exploit the bad health of their clients for profit.

1. Capitalism in general is exploitation for profit.

2. Paying income taxes doesn't make you complacent in government bombings nor hypothetical for calling them out

3. Working for a company doesn't make you complacent in capitalist exploitation nor make you a hypocrite for calling it out

4. Anyone with a retirement account/401k has their money put into the stock market and into every industry, which includes United Healthcare itself. That doesn't make them complacent in anything UHC does.

5. A random guy investing in a stock doesn't make them a hypocrite for calling out a CEO that actively has decision power and pull, but chooses to deny people even life saving treatment for profit.

You're making so many wild comparisons for this to work. Is every person who works now a hypocrite? This is a pretty big rabbit hole.

1-False. Capitalism is free trade of services and goods. Marxist bullshido is perpetuating this myth. I own a small business. I'm not an exploiter.
2-True. Taxes are theft and an imposition.
3-Depends on what you do. There was this old German that got arrested in his death bed for being an accountant for nazis.
4-True. It does make them complicit if they did so voluntarily.
5-The system is fucked, bro. The guy was playing the game. So are shareholders.
I don't invest in any shady industry. The moral thing to do is to not have any part in this. Being a CEO of such industry is obviously more fucked up, but that doesn't excuse the shareholders either. Ask the old german dude. He killed no one and yet he got jailed, cause he was involved. Shareholders are involved in whatever they invest. Period. I made my statements very clear. At this point you just triggered i called you out on investing on a shady industry. In Portuguese, we have this saying: "O sujo falando do mal lavado". It means hypocrite. You entire post was an apologist post to investing in tobacco stocks(loads of mental gymnastics and bullshit). It ain't criminal, but it is immoral in my book. Same thing for the CEO situation, he was no criminal, but his job was shady. So is voluntarily investing in something as nasty as tobacco. It is shady.And before you say i'm making a false equivalency. Re-read the part where i said they are both wrong in different ways

 

[Blax Blah]

1-False. Capitalism is free trade of services and goods. Marxist bullshido is perpetuating this myth. I own a small business. I'm not an exploiter.
2-True. Taxes are theft and an imposition.
3-Depends on what you do. There was this old German that got arrested in his death bed for being an accountant for nazis.
4-True. It does make them complacent if they did so voluntarily.
5-The system is fucked, bro. The guy was playing the game. So are shareholders.
I don't invest in any shady industry. The moral thing to do is to not have any part in this. Being ia CEO of such industry is obviously more fucked up, but that doesn't excuse the shareholders either. Ask the old german dude. He killed no one and yet he got jailed, cause he was involved. Shareholders are involved in whatever they invest. Period. I made my statements very clear. At this point you just triggered i called you out on investing on a shady industry. In Portuguese, we have this saying: "O sujo falando do mal lavado". It means hypocrite. You entire post was an apologist post to investing in Tobacco stocks(loads and mental gymnastics and bullshit). It ain't criminal, but it is immoral in my book. Same thing for the CEO situation, he was no criminal, but his job was shady. So is voluntarily investing in something as nasty as tobacco. It is shady.And before you say i'm making a false equivalency. Re-read the part where i said they are both wrong in different ways

Didn't free trade exist before capitalism too?

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You're still making no sense and not answering the question. You said my comment about the CEO is ironic because I'm invested in a tobacco stock(I have other positions mind you) and that it makes me a hypocrite. Your reason for this is that both Tobacco and health insurance industries exploit the bad health of their clients for profit.

1. Capitalism in general is exploitation for profit.

2. Paying income taxes doesn't make you complacent in government bombings nor hypothetical for calling them out

3. Working for a company doesn't make you complacent in capitalist exploitation nor make you a hypocrite for calling it out

4. Anyone with a retirement account/401k has their money put into the stock market and into every industry, which includes United Healthcare itself. That doesn't make them complacent in anything UHC does.

5. A random guy investing in a stock doesn't make them a hypocrite for calling out a CEO that actively has decision power and pull, but chooses to deny people even life saving treatment for profit.

You're making so many wild comparisons for this to work. Is every person who works now a hypocrite? This is a pretty big rabbit hole.

Uncle Van I meant to ask you about it, your status is a really common anarcho-capitalist argument,

 

[NAMELESS]

Didn't free trade exist before capitalism too?

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Uncle Van I meant to ask you about it, your status is a really common anarcho-capitalist argument,

Yeah, Capitalism is what we all have been doing since forever. Marx was just full of shit.

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@Uncle Van Btw, indirect or direct involvement doesn't really matter. It is all blood money.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

What do you mean we’re all victims and so she is ? She snitched lmao. #FreeLuigi #LuigiCanHaveMyPussy

From time to time, I wonder if you're playing a character or if you're really that much of an extremist .

Smoking is additive, but people choose it smoke.

The more mask off moments, the better

He was just a tiny part of a super large cog.

Now those guys walking next to him have those non-thinking cog facial expressions, don't you think?

And his killer will hopefully get what he deserves.

the guy who was killed was a killer, will you say the same about him, that he

will hopefully get what he deserves.

??

 

[Uncle Van]

1-False. Capitalism is free trade of services and goods. Marxist bullshido is perpetuating this myth. I own a small business. I'm not an exploiter.
2-True. Taxes are theft and an imposition.
3-Depends on what you do. There was this old German that got arrested in his death bed for being an accountant for nazis.
4-True. It does make them complacent if they did so voluntarily.
5-The system is fucked, bro. The guy was playing the game. So are shareholders.
I don't invest in any shady industry. The moral thing to do is to not have any part in this. Being ia CEO of such industry is obviously more fucked up, but that doesn't excuse the shareholders either. Ask the old german dude. He killed no one and yet he got jailed, cause he was involved. Shareholders are involved in whatever they invest. Period. I made my statements very clear. At this point you just triggered i called you out on investing on a shady industry. In Portuguese, we have this saying: "O sujo falando do mal lavado". It means hypocrite. You entire post was an apologist post to investing in Tobacco stocks(loads and mental gymnastics and bullshit). It ain't criminal, but it is immoral in my book. Same thing for the CEO situation, he was no criminal, but his job was shady. So is voluntarily investing in something as nasty as tobacco. It is shady.And before you say i'm making a false equivalency. Re-read the part where i said they are both wrong in different ways

Capitalist exploitation isn't a Marxist myth....that is Red Scare propaganda....

Your point is that I'm a hypocrite for calling out the CEO for his shady business practices while I'm invested in a shady business. That completely falls apart because investing in a stock≠directly causing the deaths of many while in a position of power. You keep saying I'm trying to be an apologist somehow, when I myself said the tobacco industry lobbied for doctors and scientists to say tobacco was healthy. What I'm actually doing is trying to get you to explain how investing in a stock(which would mean those who work are hypocrites), is the same as making decisions to screw people over.

 

[NAMELESS]

From time to time, I wonder if you're playing a character or if you're really that much of an extremist .


The more mask off moments, the better

Now those guys walking next to him have those non-thinking cog facial expressions, don't you think?

the guy who was killed was a killer, will you say the same about him, that he ??

Was he? When did he get sentenced for such a crime?

 

[Zenos7]

it moral to sell poison to people just cause they want to have a miserable and slow end? No, it isn't. It is essentiality what drugs do: kill people slowly. People here are pretending Tobacco industry doesn't run on blood money

I think its on the people if they choose to consume that shit

 

[Uncle Van]

I think its on the people if they choose to consume that shit

And no one pretends smoking is moral or that the industry don't pull any shady BS.

 

[NAMELESS]

Capitalist exploitation isn't a Marxist myth....that is Red Scare propaganda....

Your point is that I'm a hypocrite for calling out the CEO for his shady business practices while I'm invested in a shady business. That completely falls apart because investing in a stock≠directly causing the deaths of many while in a position of power. You keep saying I'm trying to be an apologist somehow, when I myself said the tobacco industry lobbied for doctors and scientists to say tobacco was healthy. What I'm actually doing is trying to get you to explain how investing in a stock(which would mean those who work are hypocrites), is the same as making decisions to screw people over.

Bro, at this point you are suffering from cognitive dissonance. I never said they were the same. You a putting words in my mouth. I will explain this the last time, cause at this point we are just chasing our own tails. I said in past posts that big, small, direct or indirect involvement in a business that runs on people's blood is immoral.Never claimed they were the same,but i did say they were all immoral
You said the CEO was a murderer. You also said CEO's work for shareholder's profit(which is a fact, btw). What i found hypocritical of you was parading on a high horse and criticizing the guy, as if investing in Tobacco industry wasn't dealing with blood money as well(direct,indirect,small or big doesn't matter.Everyone involved with blood money is in the wrong).
Off topic: You made another false equivalence in your post. Paying taxes isn't the same as buying stock. One is voluntary, the other is not.
Capitalist exploitation is massively over rated. "Red scare". Said the american that probably never stepped on a nation that was ruined by communists.

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I think its on the people if they choose to consume that shit

It's up to them to decide. I agree. But that doesn't make selling that shit moral. I'm not calling for a tobacco ban, btw. Same thing for prostitution. People should be free to screw themselves over if they are doing it voluntarily.

 

[Blax Blah]

Bro, at this point you are suffering from cognitive dissonance. I never said they were the same. You a putting words in my mouth. I will explain this the last time, cause at this point we are just chasing our own tails. I said in past posts that big, small, direct or indirect involvement in a business that runs on people's blood is immoral.Never claimed they were the same,but i did say they were all immoral
You said the CEO was a murderer. You also said CEO's work for shareholder's profit(which is a fact, btw). What i found hypocritical of you was parading on a high horse and criticizing the guy, as if investing in Tobacco industry wasn't dealing with blood money as well(direct,indirect,small or big doesn't matter.Everyone involved with blood money is in the wrong).
Off topic: You made another false equivalence in your post. Paying taxes isn't the same as buying stock. One is voluntary, the other is not.
Capitalist exploitation is massively over rated. "Red scare". Said the american that probably never stepped on a nation that was ruined by communists.

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It's up to them to decide. I agree. But that doesn't make selling that shit moral. I'm not calling for a tobacco ban, btw. Same thing for prostitution. People should be free to screw themselves over if they are doing it voluntarily.

I don't know how the retirement system of the US works, if Uncle Van lives there, I mention the US because he mentioned 401k, but if you get a retirement by investing in stocks, then I think investing is not voluntary, the option is between working until you pass away, passing away from starvation once you reach retirement, or investing,

 

[NAMELESS]

I don't know how the retirement system of the US works, if Uncle Van lives there, I mention the US because he mentioned 401k, but if you get a retirement by investing in stocks, then I think investing is not voluntary, the option is between working until you pass away, passing away from starvation once you reach retirement, or investing,

Here, the government automatically forces business to create a retirement fund for their employees using fed gov pension fund. We don't use stocks. I mentioned that if it happens involuntarily, then there is no blame. Uncle is rubbing me the wrong with his posts. Sounds like mental gymnastics to justify easy money from tobacco stocks.

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@Uncle Van Btw, did you invest in those tobacco stocks out of your own volition or not?

 

[Uncle Van]

Bro, at this point you are suffering from cognitive dissonance. I never said they were the same. You a putting words in my mouth. I will explain this the last time, cause at this point we are just chasing our own tails. I said in past posts that big, small, direct or indirect involvement in a business that runs on people's blood is immoral.Never claimed they were the same,but i did say they were all immoral
You said the CEO was a murderer. You also said CEO's work for shareholder's profit(which is a fact, btw). What i found hypocritical of you was parading on a high horse and criticizing the guy, as if investing in Tobacco industry wasn't dealing with blood money as well(direct,indirect,small or big doesn't matter.Everyone involved with blood money is in the wrong).
Off topic: You made another false equivalence in your post. Paying taxes isn't the same as buying stock. One is voluntary, the other is not.
Capitalist exploitation is massively over rated. "Red scare". Said the american that probably never stepped on a nation that was ruined by communists.

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It's up to them to decide. I agree. But that doesn't make selling that shit moral. I'm not calling for a tobacco ban, btw. Same thing for prostitution. People should be free to screw themselves over if they are doing it voluntarily.

And once again, nothing I said was hypocritical. Investing to making a living, whether it's directly or having a 401K, isn't like being a charge of a company where you actively and deliberately deny people care and cause their deaths. There was no high horse.

I never once said nor implied that the smoking industry was moral or ethical. I myself hate the smell of smoke, and industry is on a slow decline as more smoking bans are placed. Capitalism is capitalism. I'm not making decisions to deny people seeking help.

 

[NAMELESS]

And once again, nothing I said was hypocritical. Investing to making a living, whether it's directly or having a 401K, isn't like being a charge of a company where you actively and deliberately deny people care and cause their deaths.

I never said they were equal, all i said they all dealt with blood money and that voluntarily shareholders are not innocent either. Anyway, you do your thing, bro. You make your own decisions.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I think its on the people if they choose to consume that shit

Yes because this is exactly how addiction works🤡

The German Home office(ministry of internal affairs or however it called) are completely sellouts.

Yes the arab guy hitting the Christmas market sure is Anti-islamist ..

Don't you remember the guy who paralyzed Munich for about a day, climbed on a roof to shoot at foreigners? He was I think Iranian, thought himself to belong to the Aryan master race and hated Muslim foreigners.
Stop generalizing.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Now those guys walking next to him have those non-thinking cog facial expressions, don't you think?

the guy who was killed was a killer, will you say the same about him, that he ??

 

[Uncle Van]

I never said they were equal, all i said they all dealt with blood money and that voluntarily shareholders are not innocent either. Anyway, you do your thing, bro. You make your own decisions.

Ok? I never said anything about being equal either so don't know why you keep mentioning it. Once again, anyone who invests ≠ being a CEO of a healthcare company that denies people care. You made the comparison by saying I was a hypocrite for calling him out. Working under capitalism doesn't make you a hypocrite when you call out capitalism.

 

[Afroking]

Don't you remember the guy who paralyzed Munich for about a day, climbed on a roof to shoot at foreigners? He was I think Iranian, thought himself to belong to the Aryan master race and hated Muslim foreigners.
Stop generalizing.

My guy Iranians consider themselves Aryans and has nothing to do with with the Nazis Aryan race.But that is irrelevant. The point is that there are more radicalized muslims than any other religion zealot and Europe has its borders wide open without doing pushbacks or quality checks.

Deserve what? Have their employees murdered? Wtf are you on about?

The CEOs and the board members are what decide the direction of a company. If a company runs a " peasants" life to the ground with their sky high costs through highly expensive drugs(like insulin in US ) and the health insurance doesn't even pay half the costs through some loopholes,they deserve what they get if the end up in a ditch.


I wouldn't advocate such action,but I wouldn't feel sorry for them either. Some people can only act normally when their lives are at stake. I would say some politicians need that scare in their lifes as well to keep them in check. That's why they run amok right now,because they have the judicial deparment in their pocket and nobody touches them.