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Ok, it is still immoral to sell poison in my book.
On addiction: There is no fighting addiction. There is managing it. You taper whatever you taking until you can safely withdraw. You might also need to take meds on the side to manage side effects from abstinence, psychological help to manage urges and maybe a change in your environment itself so you don't take drugs again. Chemical dependance is cruel. There is no med that will heal it. You need a plan and support. I'm talking from experience cause i have been trying to get clean from pharmaceuticals for 3 years now. I believe i will be clean in the next 90 days.
Find a hobby.
On addiction: There is no fighting addiction. There is managing it. You taper whatever you taking until you can safely withdraw. You might also need to take meds on the side to manage side effects from abstinence, psychological help to manage urges and maybe a change in your environment itself so you don't take drugs again. Chemical dependance is cruel. There is no med that will heal it. You need a plan and support. I'm talking from experience cause i have been trying to get clean from pharmaceuticals for 3 years now. I believe i will be clean in the next 90 days.
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Find a hobby.
I'm a bit late to the party but I'd like to contribute about that healthcare's CEO's murder.
First thing first, that Luigi guy is innocent as long as he hasn't been proved guilty after a fair trial. That's the law and that's how it should be.
Second thing. About the murder. Obviously there is money to be made in the healthcare industry because it is a shitty one in the USA. I don't think it's a good thing to go around and kill people because of their job but I certainly don't feel sorry for this type of assholes. At some point it's bound to happen. Just how many people die for them to save a few dollars so some already beyond rich douchebags can have even more money that they will never need nor use during their lives?
First thing first, that Luigi guy is innocent as long as he hasn't been proved guilty after a fair trial. That's the law and that's how it should be.
Second thing. About the murder. Obviously there is money to be made in the healthcare industry because it is a shitty one in the USA. I don't think it's a good thing to go around and kill people because of their job but I certainly don't feel sorry for this type of assholes. At some point it's bound to happen. Just how many people die for them to save a few dollars so some already beyond rich douchebags can have even more money that they will never need nor use during their lives?
Honestly, all evidence points to this being a hitman job to stop Brian Thompson from testifying about insider trading, with Luigi being the patsy. Luigi and the killer had 2 completely different jackets, different bags, different skin tones, and different eye brows. It's also too coincidental that Luigi was found multiple states away with the same outfit at a random McDonalds, with the murder weapon and manifesto(always a manifesto...). The killer was clearly a pro; his form was good and he immediately fixed a gun jam without effort. So less of a vigilante tired of the healthcare system and more about rich people keeping their money and power untouched.
And also agree about not feeling sympathy for the CEO. People aren't obligated to feel bad about scumbags. For healtcare companies to make more money, they choose to increase premiums and deny coverage, knowing they're killing people in doing so.
And also agree about not feeling sympathy for the CEO. People aren't obligated to feel bad about scumbags. For healtcare companies to make more money, they choose to increase premiums and deny coverage, knowing they're killing people in doing so.
Upbringing is a bitch. That guy absorbed a bunch of leftie mythology growing up and never stopped to analyze and criticize his belief system. "Cuba has top tier healthcare". "America sponsored dictatorships in Latin America". "Banning evil Ar15/Black Rifles will stop mass shootings". "Russia and China aren't communist". Like, shut up. Stop spewing non-sense and research shit before repeating old lies. Dude gets triggered cause he knows deep down his arguments are shit and he doesn't know wtf he is talking about.
There are people from a certain religion that blow up liquors stores claiming just that. Just saying. I would never sell poison to anyone.
Blame the game, not the player. I said the same thing a couple of posts ago and got stoned. It was a senseless murder that happened. All the scare changes are short term only. As soon as people forget about this, companies will return to their old shenanigans.
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There are people from a certain religion that blow up liquors stores claiming just that. Just saying. I would never sell poison to anyone.
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Blame the game, not the player. I said the same thing a couple of posts ago and got stoned. It was a senseless murder that happened. All the scare changes are short term only. As soon as people forget about this, companies will return to their old shenanigans.
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Which makes them completely fucked up for killing innocent people. A retail employee who sells tobacco, a truck driver who delivers tobacco, factory workers who makes tobacco, and people who handles phone calls shouldn't be viewed as liable. They are workers trying to make a living. It ain't like they're thinking "Yeah I'm gonna get people to kill themsevles!"
Never claimed this to be case. I just said that there are people out there that agree with my point that selling poison is immoral. Employees and involuntary investors are not liable.You are putting words in my mouth again. Stop moving the goal posts. This entire exchange was based on your assumption that claimed i said:"Being a CEO of a health insurance company is as fucked up as buying tobacco stocks". Which is something i made very clear from the beginning wasn't the case. You keep projecting false equivalencies onto my posts. You either somehow devolved into c4n levels of logical reasoning or you are arguing in very bad faith. Neither make you look good. Stop embarrassing yourself further and drop this topic. I don't care what you do with your money. Do what you will.
More like the very definition of answering in the proper manner.
I didn't mention any religion in particular. If the shoes fit you can wear them.
More like the very definition of answering in the proper manner.
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I didn't mention any religion in particular. If the shoes fit you can wear them.
Why are you two even arguing?
Morality is subjective. Personal values are subjective
Van investing money in tobacco stocks doesn't make him immoral. He wants to earn max returns for investment of his hard earned money in rightful way which is totally right and nothing immoral. Neither it's equivalent to some people abusing their position of power to commit fraud to earn quick money at the expense of others.
Nameless seeing investment in tobacco stocks as immoral is not wrong either. People have different values. Some people simply don't want to do anything to promote some harmful products. It's his value. His moral compass and nothing wrong with this.
Morality is subjective. Personal values are subjective
Van investing money in tobacco stocks doesn't make him immoral. He wants to earn max returns for investment of his hard earned money in rightful way which is totally right and nothing immoral. Neither it's equivalent to some people abusing their position of power to commit fraud to earn quick money at the expense of others.
Nameless seeing investment in tobacco stocks as immoral is not wrong either. People have different values. Some people simply don't want to do anything to promote some harmful products. It's his value. His moral compass and nothing wrong with this.
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Nameless was enforcing his values onto me, trying to make it seem like I'm complacent in killing people and defending drug/tobacco usage.
He made a direct comparison by saying I'm a hypocrite for calling out a CEO for abusing his power and denying people healthcare for profit. As if investing in a stock incites any comparison in the first place.
He made a direct comparison by saying I'm a hypocrite for calling out a CEO for abusing his power and denying people healthcare for profit. As if investing in a stock incites any comparison in the first place.