Controversial General Political Discussion

[AL sama]

I'm cool as a breeze. Just dropping facts and getting some people triggered.

your personal opinions aren't facts rather just your opinions

a calm person wouldn't people xyz

 

[NAMELESS]

You. Do not. Understand. How reality. Works.
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Look who is talking. You are the last person that can say that to anyone. Look yourself in the mirror

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I dont think its either moral or immoral.

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Right, because addiction = the tobacco companies force you to buy and smoke their products over and over again.

Kindly fuck off and miss me with this bs

Drugs turn you into a slave. We will agree to disagree.

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your personal opinions aren't facts rather just your opinions

a calm person wouldn't people xyz

I'm calm, but i'm never soft spoken. Especially when one is jabbing me without directly quotting me.

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The man just wanted to spice things up. Seriously now, what a dumb way to go to jail. hahaha

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I think whether those things are true or not we should have a humble view, except for when it is about matters that can bring others harm like racism, because for example, during Marx's life, science seemed to point to historical materialism being a true theory, which I think says that society moves through modes of production in a determined way, which, I have not fact checked yet however I will and I will talk about it here if you want to, I heard proved false, but that it was created because they had a good understanding of how capitalism appeared, but very little anthropological data,

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@NAMELESS I think it's important to mention, capitalism is a mode of production where a few people own private capital, and the large majority works that capital, producing the value of society, with that capital being directed towards making monetary profit,

It has capital-based social relations,

I think that may be why feudalism is called feudalism, because it was a mode of production based on the social relations between serfs and feudal lords,

Socialism is a mode of production where that private capital is owned by all of society together, and it is directed democratically towards creating value,

Edit: it is a social mode of production, whereas feudal production is based on the ownership of the feudal lords, and capitalist production is based on the accumulated capital and on monetary profits,

yes, and ?????

 

[AL sama]

I'm calm, but i'm never soft spoken. Especially when one is jabbing me without directly quotting me.

that's the very definition of getting heated or triggered

 

[Monkey D Theories]

False, you told people here you migrated when you were 7. Stop pretending you were born and bred American. The socialists values went along with you.

ah yes, the marxist 7 year olds

 

[Ravagerblade]

Y'all gotta take a break from here, idk where your from but atm the Christmas Season is just around the corner, go get off here relax etc...

 

[Zenos7]

You do know that the concepts of will and choice are absent in the phenomenon that is addiction, right ?

So no one is able to fight addiction and overcome it?

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Drugs turn you into a slave. We will agree to disagree.

Its still not the tobacco industry that makes people buy and consume their product

 

[Logiko]

Look who is talking. You are the last person that can say that to anyone. Look yourself in the mirror

Are you seriously trying to "No U" me here ?

So no one is able to fight addiction and overcome it?

Almost never because of sheer will. That literally why addictions are a problem.

 

[NAMELESS]

So no one is able to fight addiction and overcome it?

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Its still not the tobacco industry that makes people buy and consume their product

Ok, it is still immoral to sell poison in my book.
On addiction: There is no fighting addiction. There is managing it. You taper whatever you taking until you can safely withdraw. You might also need to take meds on the side to manage side effects from abstinence, psychological help to manage urges and maybe a change in your environment itself so you don't take drugs again. Chemical dependance is cruel. There is no med that will heal it. You need a plan and support. I'm talking from experience cause i have been trying to get clean from pharmaceuticals for 3 years now. I believe i will be clean in the next 90 days.

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Are you seriously trying to "No U" me here ?



Almost never because of sheer will. That literally why addictions are a problem.

Find a hobby.

 

[Uncle Van]

So no one is able to fight addiction and overcome it?

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Its still not the tobacco industry that makes people buy and consume their product

I wonder if gas station employees are morally shot because they stand there and allow people to buy cigarettes. They're kinda getting paid to do so.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I'm a bit late to the party but I'd like to contribute about that healthcare's CEO's murder.
First thing first, that Luigi guy is innocent as long as he hasn't been proved guilty after a fair trial. That's the law and that's how it should be.

Second thing. About the murder. Obviously there is money to be made in the healthcare industry because it is a shitty one in the USA. I don't think it's a good thing to go around and kill people because of their job but I certainly don't feel sorry for this type of assholes. At some point it's bound to happen. Just how many people die for them to save a few dollars so some already beyond rich douchebags can have even more money that they will never need nor use during their lives?

 

[Logiko]

Find a hobby.

Find google scholar.

 

[Uncle Van]

I'm a bit late to the party but I'd like to contribute about that healthcare's CEO's murder.
First thing first, that Luigi guy is innocent as long as he hasn't been proved guilty after a fair trial. That's the law and that's how it should be.

Second thing. About the murder. Obviously there is money to be made in the healthcare industry because it is a shitty one in the USA. I don't think it's a good thing to go around and kill people because of their job but I certainly don't feel sorry for this type of assholes. At some point it's bound to happen. Just how many people die for them to save a few dollars so some already beyond rich douchebags can have even more money that they will never need nor use during their lives?

Honestly, all evidence points to this being a hitman job to stop Brian Thompson from testifying about insider trading, with Luigi being the patsy. Luigi and the killer had 2 completely different jackets, different bags, different skin tones, and different eye brows. It's also too coincidental that Luigi was found multiple states away with the same outfit at a random McDonalds, with the murder weapon and manifesto(always a manifesto...). The killer was clearly a pro; his form was good and he immediately fixed a gun jam without effort. So less of a vigilante tired of the healthcare system and more about rich people keeping their money and power untouched.

And also agree about not feeling sympathy for the CEO. People aren't obligated to feel bad about scumbags. For healtcare companies to make more money, they choose to increase premiums and deny coverage, knowing they're killing people in doing so.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Honestly, all evidence points to this being a hitman job to stop Brian Thompson from testifying about insider trading, with Luigi being the patsy. Luigi and the killer had 2 completely different jackets, different bags, different skin tones, and different eye brows. It's also too coincidental that Luigi was found multiple states away with the same outfit at a random McDonalds, with the murder weapon and manifesto(always a manifesto...). The killer was clearly a pro; his form was good and he immediately fixed a gun jam without effort. So less of a vigilante tired of the healthcare system and more about rich people keeping their money and power untouched.

And also agree about not feeling sympathy for the CEO. People aren't obligated to feel bad about scumbags. For healtcare companies to make more money, they choose to increase premiums and deny coverage, knowing they're killing people in doing so.

What's sad is that his death won't change anything. He is going to be replaced by another asshole who will make just as a "good job" as he did.

 

[Uncle Van]

What's sad is that his death won't change anything. He is going to be replaced by another asshole who will make just as a "good job" as he did.

Funny thing is that despite the fact the CEO was murdered right in front of the building his shareholder meeting was gonna take place, they all showed their girlfriend and remorse by having the meeting without him. Same building and all.

 

[NAMELESS]

ah yes, the marxist 7 year olds

Upbringing is a bitch. That guy absorbed a bunch of leftie mythology growing up and never stopped to analyze and criticize his belief system. "Cuba has top tier healthcare". "America sponsored dictatorships in Latin America". "Banning evil Ar15/Black Rifles will stop mass shootings". "Russia and China aren't communist". Like, shut up. Stop spewing non-sense and research shit before repeating old lies. Dude gets triggered cause he knows deep down his arguments are shit and he doesn't know wtf he is talking about.

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I wonder if gas station employees are morally shot because they stand there and allow people to buy cigarettes. They're kinda getting paid to do so.

There are people from a certain religion that blow up liquors stores claiming just that. Just saying. I would never sell poison to anyone.

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What's sad is that his death won't change anything. He is going to be replaced by another asshole who will make just as a "good job" as he did.

Blame the game, not the player. I said the same thing a couple of posts ago and got stoned. It was a senseless murder that happened. All the scare changes are short term only. As soon as people forget about this, companies will return to their old shenanigans.

 

[Uncle Van]

There are people from a certain religion that blow up liquors stores claiming just that. Just saying. I would never sell poison to anyone.

Which makes them completely fucked up for killing innocent people. A retail employee who sells tobacco, a truck driver who delivers tobacco, factory workers who makes tobacco, and people who handles phone calls shouldn't be viewed as liable. They are workers trying to make a living. It ain't like they're thinking "Yeah I'm gonna get people to kill themsevles!"

 

[AL sama]

Which makes them completely fucked up for killing innocent people. A retail employee who sells tobacco, a truck driver who delivers tobacco, factory workers who makes tobacco, and people who handles phone calls shouldn't be viewed as liable. They are workers trying to make a living. It ain't like they're thinking "Yeah I'm gonna get people to kill themsevles!"

dude suddenly jumped the gun on Muslims lol

 

[NAMELESS]

Which makes them completely fucked up for killing innocent people. A retail employee who sells tobacco, a truck driver who delivers tobacco, factory workers who makes tobacco, and people who handles phone calls shouldn't be viewed as liable. They are workers trying to make a living. It ain't like they're thinking "Yeah I'm gonna get people to kill themsevles!"

Never claimed this to be case. I just said that there are people out there that agree with my point that selling poison is immoral. Employees and involuntary investors are not liable.You are putting words in my mouth again. Stop moving the goal posts. This entire exchange was based on your assumption that claimed i said:"Being a CEO of a health insurance company is as fucked up as buying tobacco stocks". Which is something i made very clear from the beginning wasn't the case. You keep projecting false equivalencies onto my posts. You either somehow devolved into c4n levels of logical reasoning or you are arguing in very bad faith. Neither make you look good. Stop embarrassing yourself further and drop this topic. I don't care what you do with your money. Do what you will.

that's the very definition of getting heated or triggered

More like the very definition of answering in the proper manner.

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dude suddenly jumped the gun on Muslims lol

I didn't mention any religion in particular. If the shoes fit you can wear them.

 

[AL sama]

More like the very definition of answering in the proper manner.

no just triggered

I didn't mention any religion in particular. If the shoes fit you can wear them.

funny cope but no need to be defensive

 

[Reborn]

Never claimed this to be case. I just said that there are people out there that agree with my point that selling poison is immoral. Employees and involuntary investors are not liable.You are putting words in my mouth again. Stop moving the goal posts. This entire exchange was based on your assumption that claimed i said:"Being a CEO of a health insurance company is as fucked up as buying tobacco stocks". Which is something i made very clear from the beginning wasn't the case. You keep projecting false equivalencies onto my posts. You either somehow devolved into c4n levels of logical reasoning or you are arguing in very bad faith. Neither make you look good. Stop embarrassing yourself further and drop this topic. I don't care what you do with your money. Do what you will.

More like the very definition of answering in the proper manner.

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I didn't mention any religion in particular. If the shoes fit you can wear them.

Which makes them completely fucked up for killing innocent people. A retail employee who sells tobacco, a truck driver who delivers tobacco, factory workers who makes tobacco, and people who handles phone calls shouldn't be viewed as liable. They are workers trying to make a living. It ain't like they're thinking "Yeah I'm gonna get people to kill themsevles!"

Why are you two even arguing?

Morality is subjective. Personal values are subjective

Van investing money in tobacco stocks doesn't make him immoral. He wants to earn max returns for investment of his hard earned money in rightful way which is totally right and nothing immoral. Neither it's equivalent to some people abusing their position of power to commit fraud to earn quick money at the expense of others.

Nameless seeing investment in tobacco stocks as immoral is not wrong either. People have different values. Some people simply don't want to do anything to promote some harmful products. It's his value. His moral compass and nothing wrong with this.