Bro, at this point you are suffering from cognitive dissonance. I never said they were the same. You a putting words in my mouth. I will explain this the last time, cause at this point we are just chasing our own tails. I said in past posts that big, small, direct or indirect involvement in a business that runs on people's blood is immoral.Never claimed they were the same,but i did say they were all immoral
You said the CEO was a murderer. You also said CEO's work for shareholder's profit(which is a fact, btw). What i found hypocritical of you was parading on a high horse and criticizing the guy, as if investing in Tobacco industry wasn't dealing with blood money as well(direct,indirect,small or big doesn't matter.Everyone involved with blood money is in the wrong).
Off topic: You made another false equivalence in your post. Paying taxes isn't the same as buying stock. One is voluntary, the other is not.
Capitalist exploitation is massively over rated. "Red scare". Said the american that probably never stepped on a nation that was ruined by communists.
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It's up to them to decide. I agree. But that doesn't make selling that shit moral. I'm not calling for a tobacco ban, btw. Same thing for prostitution. People should be free to screw themselves over if they are doing it voluntarily.
I dont think its either moral or immoral.
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Yes because this is exactly how addiction works
Right, because addiction = the tobacco companies force you to buy and smoke their products over and over again.

Kindly fuck off and miss me with this bs
 
Mate. Let's be clear on one thing.

You. Do not. Understand. How reality. Works.

The moment you will understand things like science, sociology, materialism, capitalism, exploitation, domination relationships, feminism, systemic racism, colonialism, decolonialism, ableism etc. Then, yeah.. you will be able to say that you understand reality. But it's not the case at the moment.

It's the cold factual truth. I'm sorry. Just as much as I'm sorry not to have the right tools to make your understand this reality.

I'm really, truly, sorry.
I think whether those things are true or not we should have a humble view, except for when it is about matters that can bring others harm like racism, because for example, during Marx's life, science seemed to point to historical materialism being a true theory, which I think says that society moves through modes of production in a determined way, which, I have not fact checked yet however I will and I will talk about it here if you want to, I heard proved false, but that it was created because they had a good understanding of how capitalism appeared, but very little anthropological data,
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@NAMELESS I think it's important to mention, capitalism is a mode of production where a few people own private capital, and the large majority works that capital, producing the value of society, with that capital being directed towards making monetary profit,

It has capital-based social relations,

I think that may be why feudalism is called feudalism, because it was a mode of production based on the social relations between serfs and feudal lords,

Socialism is a mode of production where that private capital is owned by all of society together, and it is directed democratically towards creating value,

Edit: it is a social mode of production, whereas feudal production is based on the ownership of the feudal lords, and capitalist production is based on the accumulated capital and on monetary profits,
 
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You. Do not. Understand. How reality. Works.
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Look who is talking. You are the last person that can say that to anyone. Look yourself in the mirror:HappyClown:
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I dont think its either moral or immoral.
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Right, because addiction = the tobacco companies force you to buy and smoke their products over and over again.

Kindly fuck off and miss me with this bs
Drugs turn you into a slave. We will agree to disagree.
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your personal opinions aren't facts rather just your opinions

a calm person wouldn't people xyz
I'm calm, but i'm never soft spoken. Especially when one is jabbing me without directly quotting me.
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The man just wanted to spice things up. Seriously now, what a dumb way to go to jail. hahaha
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I think whether those things are true or not we should have a humble view, except for when it is about matters that can bring others harm like racism, because for example, during Marx's life, science seemed to point to historical materialism being a true theory, which I think says that society moves through modes of production in a determined way, which, I have not fact checked yet however I will and I will talk about it here if you want to, I heard proved false, but that it was created because they had a good understanding of how capitalism appeared, but very little anthropological data,
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@NAMELESS I think it's important to mention, capitalism is a mode of production where a few people own private capital, and the large majority works that capital, producing the value of society, with that capital being directed towards making monetary profit,

It has capital-based social relations,

I think that may be why feudalism is called feudalism, because it was a mode of production based on the social relations between serfs and feudal lords,

Socialism is a mode of production where that private capital is owned by all of society together, and it is directed democratically towards creating value,

Edit: it is a social mode of production, whereas feudal production is based on the ownership of the feudal lords, and capitalist production is based on the accumulated capital and on monetary profits,
yes, and ?????
 
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So no one is able to fight addiction and overcome it?
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Its still not the tobacco industry that makes people buy and consume their product
Ok, it is still immoral to sell poison in my book.
On addiction: There is no fighting addiction. There is managing it. You taper whatever you taking until you can safely withdraw. You might also need to take meds on the side to manage side effects from abstinence, psychological help to manage urges and maybe a change in your environment itself so you don't take drugs again. Chemical dependance is cruel. There is no med that will heal it. You need a plan and support. I'm talking from experience cause i have been trying to get clean from pharmaceuticals for 3 years now. I believe i will be clean in the next 90 days.
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Are you seriously trying to "No U" me here ?



Almost never because of sheer will. That literally why addictions are a problem.
Find a hobby.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
So no one is able to fight addiction and overcome it?
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Its still not the tobacco industry that makes people buy and consume their product
I wonder if gas station employees are morally shot because they stand there and allow people to buy cigarettes. They're kinda getting paid to do so.
 
I'm a bit late to the party but I'd like to contribute about that healthcare's CEO's murder.
First thing first, that Luigi guy is innocent as long as he hasn't been proved guilty after a fair trial. That's the law and that's how it should be.

Second thing. About the murder. Obviously there is money to be made in the healthcare industry because it is a shitty one in the USA. I don't think it's a good thing to go around and kill people because of their job but I certainly don't feel sorry for this type of assholes. At some point it's bound to happen. Just how many people die for them to save a few dollars so some already beyond rich douchebags can have even more money that they will never need nor use during their lives?
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
I'm a bit late to the party but I'd like to contribute about that healthcare's CEO's murder.
First thing first, that Luigi guy is innocent as long as he hasn't been proved guilty after a fair trial. That's the law and that's how it should be.

Second thing. About the murder. Obviously there is money to be made in the healthcare industry because it is a shitty one in the USA. I don't think it's a good thing to go around and kill people because of their job but I certainly don't feel sorry for this type of assholes. At some point it's bound to happen. Just how many people die for them to save a few dollars so some already beyond rich douchebags can have even more money that they will never need nor use during their lives?
Honestly, all evidence points to this being a hitman job to stop Brian Thompson from testifying about insider trading, with Luigi being the patsy. Luigi and the killer had 2 completely different jackets, different bags, different skin tones, and different eye brows. It's also too coincidental that Luigi was found multiple states away with the same outfit at a random McDonalds, with the murder weapon and manifesto(always a manifesto...). The killer was clearly a pro; his form was good and he immediately fixed a gun jam without effort. So less of a vigilante tired of the healthcare system and more about rich people keeping their money and power untouched.

And also agree about not feeling sympathy for the CEO. People aren't obligated to feel bad about scumbags. For healtcare companies to make more money, they choose to increase premiums and deny coverage, knowing they're killing people in doing so.
 
Honestly, all evidence points to this being a hitman job to stop Brian Thompson from testifying about insider trading, with Luigi being the patsy. Luigi and the killer had 2 completely different jackets, different bags, different skin tones, and different eye brows. It's also too coincidental that Luigi was found multiple states away with the same outfit at a random McDonalds, with the murder weapon and manifesto(always a manifesto...). The killer was clearly a pro; his form was good and he immediately fixed a gun jam without effort. So less of a vigilante tired of the healthcare system and more about rich people keeping their money and power untouched.

And also agree about not feeling sympathy for the CEO. People aren't obligated to feel bad about scumbags. For healtcare companies to make more money, they choose to increase premiums and deny coverage, knowing they're killing people in doing so.
What's sad is that his death won't change anything. He is going to be replaced by another asshole who will make just as a "good job" as he did.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
What's sad is that his death won't change anything. He is going to be replaced by another asshole who will make just as a "good job" as he did.
Funny thing is that despite the fact the CEO was murdered right in front of the building his shareholder meeting was gonna take place, they all showed their grief and remorse by having the meeting without him. Same building and all.
 
ah yes, the marxist 7 year olds
Upbringing is a bitch. That guy absorbed a bunch of leftie mythology growing up and never stopped to analyze and criticize his belief system. "Cuba has top tier healthcare". "America sponsored dictatorships in Latin America". "Banning evil Ar15/Black Rifles will stop mass shootings". "Russia and China aren't communist". Like, shut up. Stop spewing non-sense and research shit before repeating old lies. Dude gets triggered cause he knows deep down his arguments are shit and he doesn't know wtf he is talking about.
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I wonder if gas station employees are morally shot because they stand there and allow people to buy cigarettes. They're kinda getting paid to do so.
There are people from a certain religion that blow up liquors stores claiming just that. Just saying. I would never sell poison to anyone.
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What's sad is that his death won't change anything. He is going to be replaced by another asshole who will make just as a "good job" as he did.
Blame the game, not the player. I said the same thing a couple of posts ago and got stoned. It was a senseless murder that happened. All the scare changes are short term only. As soon as people forget about this, companies will return to their old shenanigans.
 
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Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
There are people from a certain religion that blow up liquors stores claiming just that. Just saying. I would never sell poison to anyone.
Which makes them completely fucked up for killing innocent people. A retail employee who sells tobacco, a truck driver who delivers tobacco, factory workers who makes tobacco, and people who handles phone calls shouldn't be viewed as liable. They are workers trying to make a living. It ain't like they're thinking "Yeah I'm gonna get people to kill themsevles!"
 

AL sama

Red Haired
Which makes them completely fucked up for killing innocent people. A retail employee who sells tobacco, a truck driver who delivers tobacco, factory workers who makes tobacco, and people who handles phone calls shouldn't be viewed as liable. They are workers trying to make a living. It ain't like they're thinking "Yeah I'm gonna get people to kill themsevles!"
dude suddenly jumped the gun on Muslims lol
 
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