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Philosophers usually enhance the value of life instead of leading humankind to death.
You should read them instead of replying with your feelings
And Stalin reached that utopia by deleting all the criminal data and sending people to Guatanamos bay or Gulags bay, I don't remember which is which. Trump should just get rid of the data and it's a deal. Neoliberal utopia reached
You should read them instead of replying with your feelings
And Stalin reached that utopia by deleting all the criminal data and sending people to Guatanamos bay or Gulags bay, I don't remember which is which. Trump should just get rid of the data and it's a deal. Neoliberal utopia reached
As far as I know, that's what he meant.
Not sure what you're trying to say.
And Stalin reached that utopia by deleting all the criminal data and sending people to Guatanamos bay or Gulags bay, I don't remember which is which. Trump should just get rid of the data and it's a deal. Neoliberal utopia reached
Call it whatever you want, it's the illegitimate and unethical ending of a life.
Again, it does not. Killing one criminal do not remove dangerous people from society, in fact, it creates more on top of ignoring the fact that people are literally paid and elected to be dangerous people.
You should try something stronger.
My political vision yes, not the fact of wanting this guy dead. Again, understanding =/= Siding with. Basic principle.
No. I understand because I have a brain that can empathize with someone even when I do not agree.
I'm not the only one, you have a similar brain mate. Start to use it.
I will understand those people the same way I will understand a racist or a fascist. Understanding means being able to project yourself in the feelings of others and intellectually understand a situation.
Don't blame me if you are incapable of doing that.
I think punishment should be history all together. The concept of punishment is BY DEFAUT counter productive and contrary to the material reality of the world.
Punishing someone is like punishing a cat who ate your food that you left on the table. It denies the fact that the cat is moved by instinct (eating) and do not understand the concept of punishment in case they do something bad. The cat will eat because they are programmed like that and because their material conditions and environment pushes them to eat. SO punishing them is like you saying "my cat should have made the choice not to eat".. when you know full well that it was not possible.
In the same way; when someone is educated in the hate of women or others, when they are in a highly toxic environment, when they face psychological issues, expecting them to do the right call under those circoumstance is idiotic and naive at best. People act and make choices based on the condition of their existence.
Free will do not exist.
And thus while for certain things, we must push people to change, expecting someone to magically change because of a magic choice that could rewrite their entire material condition of existence under those kind of conditions is like expecting that a gold bar will appear in front of you if you clap in your hands.
So.. Punishing people for something they are not really in control of is pointless and unethical.
I know... it's scary when you think about it. because thinking that way would mean changing your entire perception of reality. Well spoiler, when I talk with you guyz, I do not go full in, in fact, most of the time, I still talk in your "we can make our own choices" referencial.
Because other wise we would need to change a LOOOOT of things. but in time, it will happen and things will change. Punishment will not be necessary anymore, just like prisons or death sentences. We will start to live in a society where change will be stronger than revenge.
Too late.
Same thing as above.
I shared this a few posts ago. There are a few myth that are debunked. One of them is the myth that crime victims support long prison sentences. It's false. Crime victims usually support prevention, not incarcerations or harsh sentences.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2024.html#myths
Indeed, it's also about helping the victim recover. Which means that in reality, a good restoring justice is simply a good overall system.
Which is quite far from the material reality of the world.
There is no balancing. it's an act of punishment, that's all. A balancing do not imply that we add a negative action to compensate a negative action. A balancing act of justice need to create a positive action to compensate for the negative. And the positive does not only include the victim, but the perpetuator too. A positive means care for the victim and change for the guilty part.
This is what compensating means. Adding negative to a negative will not create a positive magically in this situation. Not even for the victim because at the end of the day, it's the world that we live in that is transformed. The culture of punishment is not only bad for justice, it's bad for our entire system.
And those action do not include a punishment but the opposite (what I'm talking about) a act of change
If I tell you that you hurted me and you show me that you changed, there is no reason for me to ask for anything or for anykind of punishment.
I believe in change.
No, that's how reality works mate.
Granted. If you want, you can use another term, I'm not here to talk about semantics, but deep structural change in the system.
A kill is always unjust, even when it is. Unjust is a relative thing. A kill can be ethical, but being ethical will not make it just.
For example killing Hitler because you have no choice and because he is doing horrible things would be ethical but it would not be just because you are still ending a life.
Ending a life is never just, it can only be ethical or necessary. And in the rest of the times, it's unethical and unecessary.
Actually, we need the "understand no jutsu"
I ve been talking a lot in this thread, but very few actually understood what I was saying.
To create a better society, we don't need more people to talk, we need more people to understand the ones who are talking about changing society.
No. Some people only have traits that can push them to act in an evil way.
No one is evil biologically and even more so, no one is born evil.
We simply don't have the adequat system to channel the behavior of the people in the Dark Triad.
I love the fact that you are the one criticizing the fact that I believe in change by using the word "magically turning people", but you are also the one saying that some people are evil without any evidence.
You are the one with the magical thinking, not me.
Contrary to you, I have a structural thinking. Meaning by that that - contrary to you - I understand that by changing the structures of the system, we also change the behaviors.
I do not believe in the magical power of choice like you. I know this is a fairy tail.
Indeed.
In a perfect system, there is no criminals or very few.
It's simple mathetical and cold logic. Those who don't understand that are those who think we can magically make choices outside of the reality of the material conditions of our existence.
Those people are like kids believing in Santa Close, unless in this case, Santa is a murderous system named capitalism and patriarchy who do not distribute present but death.
The problem is that he making a fallacy here. He is purpusefully reducting the problem.
All crimes are not related only to class inequality but to two things!
1. The différent systems of oppressions : Capitalism/Patriarchy/Ableism/Systemic Racism/ Etc.
2. The incompetency of our society to channel the behaviors of the few % who are on the dark triad.
If you takles all of those, there will be no crimes.
Again, it does not. Killing one criminal do not remove dangerous people from society, in fact, it creates more on top of ignoring the fact that people are literally paid and elected to be dangerous people.
You should try something stronger.
My political vision yes, not the fact of wanting this guy dead. Again, understanding =/= Siding with. Basic principle.
No. I understand because I have a brain that can empathize with someone even when I do not agree.
I'm not the only one, you have a similar brain mate. Start to use it.
I will understand those people the same way I will understand a racist or a fascist. Understanding means being able to project yourself in the feelings of others and intellectually understand a situation.
Don't blame me if you are incapable of doing that.
I think punishment should be history all together. The concept of punishment is BY DEFAUT counter productive and contrary to the material reality of the world.
Punishing someone is like punishing a cat who ate your food that you left on the table. It denies the fact that the cat is moved by instinct (eating) and do not understand the concept of punishment in case they do something bad. The cat will eat because they are programmed like that and because their material conditions and environment pushes them to eat. SO punishing them is like you saying "my cat should have made the choice not to eat".. when you know full well that it was not possible.
In the same way; when someone is educated in the hate of women or others, when they are in a highly toxic environment, when they face psychological issues, expecting them to do the right call under those circoumstance is idiotic and naive at best. People act and make choices based on the condition of their existence.
Free will do not exist.
And thus while for certain things, we must push people to change, expecting someone to magically change because of a magic choice that could rewrite their entire material condition of existence under those kind of conditions is like expecting that a gold bar will appear in front of you if you clap in your hands.
So.. Punishing people for something they are not really in control of is pointless and unethical.
I know... it's scary when you think about it. because thinking that way would mean changing your entire perception of reality. Well spoiler, when I talk with you guyz, I do not go full in, in fact, most of the time, I still talk in your "we can make our own choices" referencial.
Because other wise we would need to change a LOOOOT of things. but in time, it will happen and things will change. Punishment will not be necessary anymore, just like prisons or death sentences. We will start to live in a society where change will be stronger than revenge.
Too late.
Same thing as above.
I shared this a few posts ago. There are a few myth that are debunked. One of them is the myth that crime victims support long prison sentences. It's false. Crime victims usually support prevention, not incarcerations or harsh sentences.
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2024.html#myths
Indeed, it's also about helping the victim recover. Which means that in reality, a good restoring justice is simply a good overall system.
Which is quite far from the material reality of the world.
There is no balancing. it's an act of punishment, that's all. A balancing do not imply that we add a negative action to compensate a negative action. A balancing act of justice need to create a positive action to compensate for the negative. And the positive does not only include the victim, but the perpetuator too. A positive means care for the victim and change for the guilty part.
This is what compensating means. Adding negative to a negative will not create a positive magically in this situation. Not even for the victim because at the end of the day, it's the world that we live in that is transformed. The culture of punishment is not only bad for justice, it's bad for our entire system.
And those action do not include a punishment but the opposite (what I'm talking about) a act of change
If I tell you that you hurted me and you show me that you changed, there is no reason for me to ask for anything or for anykind of punishment.
I believe in change.
No, that's how reality works mate.
Granted. If you want, you can use another term, I'm not here to talk about semantics, but deep structural change in the system.
A kill is always unjust, even when it is. Unjust is a relative thing. A kill can be ethical, but being ethical will not make it just.
For example killing Hitler because you have no choice and because he is doing horrible things would be ethical but it would not be just because you are still ending a life.
Ending a life is never just, it can only be ethical or necessary. And in the rest of the times, it's unethical and unecessary.
Actually, we need the "understand no jutsu"
I ve been talking a lot in this thread, but very few actually understood what I was saying.
To create a better society, we don't need more people to talk, we need more people to understand the ones who are talking about changing society.
No. Some people only have traits that can push them to act in an evil way.
No one is evil biologically and even more so, no one is born evil.
We simply don't have the adequat system to channel the behavior of the people in the Dark Triad.
I love the fact that you are the one criticizing the fact that I believe in change by using the word "magically turning people", but you are also the one saying that some people are evil without any evidence.
You are the one with the magical thinking, not me.
Contrary to you, I have a structural thinking. Meaning by that that - contrary to you - I understand that by changing the structures of the system, we also change the behaviors.
I do not believe in the magical power of choice like you. I know this is a fairy tail.
Indeed.
In a perfect system, there is no criminals or very few.
It's simple mathetical and cold logic. Those who don't understand that are those who think we can magically make choices outside of the reality of the material conditions of our existence.
Those people are like kids believing in Santa Close, unless in this case, Santa is a murderous system named capitalism and patriarchy who do not distribute present but death.
The problem is that he making a fallacy here. He is purpusefully reducting the problem.
All crimes are not related only to class inequality but to two things!
1. The différent systems of oppressions : Capitalism/Patriarchy/Ableism/Systemic Racism/ Etc.
2. The incompetency of our society to channel the behaviors of the few % who are on the dark triad.
If you takles all of those, there will be no crimes.