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@Logiko
...and so are 99.9% of leftist leaderships. Degeneracy follows wherever the left takes control
Homeless people will take a shit anywhere. Especially, if they are crackheads lol
@Logiko
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...and so are 99.9% of leftist leaderships. Degeneracy follows wherever the left takes control
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Homeless people will take a shit anywhere. Especially, if they are crackheads lol
We need everyone for as much people as possible - as long as they are not hurtfull - for a revolution to happen. This includes even unemployed people and reformed criminals
Take a step back on your hate. We get it. Start to see things with a more rationnal approach.
Understand how systems shape us. Really, you will never be the same after that.
Take a step back on your hate. We get it. Start to see things with a more rationnal approach.
Understand how systems shape us. Really, you will never be the same after that.
I DO understand how the system in which i was raised in works, it called socialism 101:
*Do not punish crime.
*Instigate crime by giving criminals social benefits.
*Punish citizens that defend themselves and ignore their human rights.
*Disarm the civilian population. Make it so only the rich can afford firearms.
*Tax and create laws about everything to enslave citizens and ruin the economy.
*Keep printing money to make inflation rot away people's money and make it impossible for people to financially rise in social status. Tax heritages too.
*Justify land theft on the premise of "social function of private property"(this shit is written in our constitution lmfao).
*Spend public money in completely useless shit to further humiliate and impoverish the people.
*Create feminists laws that reward women for divorcing and destroying her family. Rape accusations=instant jail without trial is the culmination of such judicial culture.
*Centralized shitty education that doesn't teach the basics, but teaches kids to be loyal socialists(cultural marxism). Start in high school and keep doing it in college.
*Take away the authority of families over kids. Central goverment decides what is taught in every public or private school/college. Home Schooling is banned and beating kids can mean parents lose custody of their children.
*Control tv stations, radios, journals and try the same with the internet(all of these are state monopolies in Brazil, except internet ofc).
*Encourage promiscuity and Anti-Christian sentiment in these media outlets.
*Completely destroy the idea of what an actual MAN is. Portray cowards and pussies as cool. Shame men for being masculine.
*Total control over the intellectual class. Ostracize conservative thought from academic life.
*Instigate minorities to annoy people and create further social tension.
*Give all kinds of privileges for public agents to stimulate the talented people to join the State mafia.
*The last step: Keep doing all the above until there is a popular revolt, announce martial law and use the military to suppress the population, essentially creating an authoritarian regime.
All of the above have been happening in Brazil and in most Latin America nations for decades. We had many commie guerrilas decades ago, they merely changed their tatics. They still dream with a soviet distopia(Look up Foro de São Paulo).
Cuba was the first to fall. Venezuela turned into a dictatorship. So did Nicaragua. Colombia and Brazil are ruled by drug dealers. They are the next big nations to go down like this in South America.
Evil needs to be hated. Why is it am i supposed to feel any sympathy for the people that are ruining my nation? Fuck the left. Leftism is modern day Nazism.
"Tudo dentro do Estado, nada fora do Estado e nada contra o Estado". Mussolini and Gramsci.
*Do not punish crime.
*Instigate crime by giving criminals social benefits.
*Punish citizens that defend themselves and ignore their human rights.
*Disarm the civilian population. Make it so only the rich can afford firearms.
*Tax and create laws about everything to enslave citizens and ruin the economy.
*Keep printing money to make inflation rot away people's money and make it impossible for people to financially rise in social status. Tax heritages too.
*Justify land theft on the premise of "social function of private property"(this shit is written in our constitution lmfao).
*Spend public money in completely useless shit to further humiliate and impoverish the people.
*Create feminists laws that reward women for divorcing and destroying her family. Rape accusations=instant jail without trial is the culmination of such judicial culture.
*Centralized shitty education that doesn't teach the basics, but teaches kids to be loyal socialists(cultural marxism). Start in high school and keep doing it in college.
*Take away the authority of families over kids. Central goverment decides what is taught in every public or private school/college. Home Schooling is banned and beating kids can mean parents lose custody of their children.
*Control tv stations, radios, journals and try the same with the internet(all of these are state monopolies in Brazil, except internet ofc).
*Encourage promiscuity and Anti-Christian sentiment in these media outlets.
*Completely destroy the idea of what an actual MAN is. Portray cowards and pussies as cool. Shame men for being masculine.
*Total control over the intellectual class. Ostracize conservative thought from academic life.
*Instigate minorities to annoy people and create further social tension.
*Give all kinds of privileges for public agents to stimulate the talented people to join the State mafia.
*The last step: Keep doing all the above until there is a popular revolt, announce martial law and use the military to suppress the population, essentially creating an authoritarian regime.
All of the above have been happening in Brazil and in most Latin America nations for decades. We had many commie guerrilas decades ago, they merely changed their tatics. They still dream with a soviet distopia(Look up Foro de São Paulo).
Cuba was the first to fall. Venezuela turned into a dictatorship. So did Nicaragua. Colombia and Brazil are ruled by drug dealers. They are the next big nations to go down like this in South America.
Evil needs to be hated. Why is it am i supposed to feel any sympathy for the people that are ruining my nation? Fuck the left. Leftism is modern day Nazism.
"Tudo dentro do Estado, nada fora do Estado e nada contra o Estado". Mussolini and Gramsci.
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You throw so much affirmation without evidences that it would take hours to debunk everything. So I will not reply to that.
What I will tell you is that you confuses a corrupt state and politician system (which is what happened in Brazil) with socialism. I'm telling you that because we had socialism in France, in fact, we had much more radical socialist reforms that in Brazil.
But it didn't destroy the country. Yn fact socialism created a lot of protections that even the most conservatist are living of. Even they, could not get by without the results of socialism in my country.
Corruption is here, but not as bad and it's mainly due to rich people.
So really. You should take a rationnal step back, look at reality as it is and not what you think it is at the moment. Try to understand basic principle of materialism. For the moment, you lack this. And thus, you think that socialism is the reason for the problems, but its not.
It never was.
Again. Understand materialism. This is the best advice I can give you.
What I will tell you is that you confuses a corrupt state and politician system (which is what happened in Brazil) with socialism. I'm telling you that because we had socialism in France, in fact, we had much more radical socialist reforms that in Brazil.
But it didn't destroy the country. Yn fact socialism created a lot of protections that even the most conservatist are living of. Even they, could not get by without the results of socialism in my country.
Corruption is here, but not as bad and it's mainly due to rich people.
So really. You should take a rationnal step back, look at reality as it is and not what you think it is at the moment. Try to understand basic principle of materialism. For the moment, you lack this. And thus, you think that socialism is the reason for the problems, but its not.
It never was.
Again. Understand materialism. This is the best advice I can give you.
You will not reply, cause you don't care enough to learn Spanish and Portuguese. You don't really want to know how politics and life works in Latin America(or anywhere for that matter). You live in cognitive dissonance. You deny reality all the time. You live in your fantasy world. You are so narcissistic that you dismiss people's experiences as being factually wrong, cause they don't suit your world view.
You should take your own advice, take a step back and actually investigate all the rot and evil that surrounds socialist/communist culture and history. It's a movement of hypocrisy and criminality. Ideas don't go around doing shit, they only exist as metaphysical entities. All this rhetoric about ideology is just words in the wind. Talk is cheap, action is what matters. History proves on which side the left stands. Millions of dead and dictatorships all over the world. There is no other ideology as genocidal as leftism. Wake the fuck up.
Again, you are projecting your personal bias to other people's realities. Just cause the left is mild in Europe, it doesn't mean they act the same in other regions. Look up Africa, Latin America, East Europe and Asia.
I don't need to understand Sophism(aka bullshit philosophy) to see modern day welfare state for what it is: A scheme to undermine citizens freedoms and create authoritarianism disguised as democracy.
You should take your own advice, take a step back and actually investigate all the rot and evil that surrounds socialist/communist culture and history. It's a movement of hypocrisy and criminality. Ideas don't go around doing shit, they only exist as metaphysical entities. All this rhetoric about ideology is just words in the wind. Talk is cheap, action is what matters. History proves on which side the left stands. Millions of dead and dictatorships all over the world. There is no other ideology as genocidal as leftism. Wake the fuck up.
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Again, you are projecting your personal bias to other people's realities. Just cause the left is mild in Europe, it doesn't mean they act the same in other regions. Look up Africa, Latin America, East Europe and Asia.
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I don't need to understand Sophism(aka bullshit philosophy) to see modern day welfare state for what it is: A scheme to undermine citizens freedoms and create authoritarianism disguised as democracy.
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Actually I will try to learn spanish once I will get better. I tried to learn it a year ago, but I wasn't capable of concentrating on the task.
I might. Maybe. I'm not perfect and I know I have shortcomings. But your ideology is something I understand already, simply because I surfed with it a long time ago. I know how easy it is to be fooled by a system of beliefs that is far from reality.
I'm not denying the state of your experience. You are indeed experiencing a country in corruptions, in poverty, in violences. But I know things that you don't about this. Especially about the impact of post colonialism on the structures of your society.
This is something that can only be understood once you start to think in a materialistic ways, once you start to understand the powers of structures.
Again. You mention the rot of communism and socialism, you even mentionned the number of death because of communism.. but when I start to compare them to the number of death due to capitalism.. you suddenly stop replying and your ignore the discussion.
You need to face that contradiction. I already faced mine. I'm trying to reach you one last time here.
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You need to understand one thing : Materialism is not about ideology. Materialism is a way of seeing the world. It's opposite to the idealistic thinking. This means that we do not think that ideas can change the world, we have a much more realistic approach.
Materialism simply see the world as a result of material phenomenon. Said materiality can also be applied to over arching structures in society like communism or capitalism. Meaning that:
If you want to change the world, you need to change the structures where humans evolves.
If you understand that. You will start to understand a lot of things. I'm really not kidding.
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I know you think that this is BS, that I'm simply a brainwashed leftist. So to try to reach you one last time I will ask our friend ChatGPT to explain you the importance of structure.
No intervention from me, it will be simple logic so there should be no problem with false information. So.. If you are trying to look at it in a rationnal way, you should be able to accept that:
As you can see here, a few simple structural change for a specific aera can create and modify the behaviors of hoomans.
Here, the example is very practical (the transportations infrastructures).. but in our case, we are talking about system that are not as tangible and YET.. they are real and documented system:
- Capitalism
- Patriarchy
- Systemic ableism
- Meritocracy
- Systemic racism
- Post colonialism
Etc.
Those are not some invention from crazy researchers, but real documented systems that are pushing us to adopt certain forms of behavior.
Under meritocracy, for example, Billionnaires are seen as a sign of success by the masses, people are pushed to win more and compete more as if competition was the heart of a well functionning society. But it is just a conditionning.
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You need to really accept AT LEAST that fact or you will continue to blame your socialist corrupt society, and you will never see a real and viable solution and you will never allow yourself to think of a better future with reason and serenity.
Structures are shaping us and our behavior. It is only by shaping the structures that we will be able to create real change. And it include giving your country a better chance to strive.
I might. Maybe. I'm not perfect and I know I have shortcomings. But your ideology is something I understand already, simply because I surfed with it a long time ago. I know how easy it is to be fooled by a system of beliefs that is far from reality.
I'm not denying the state of your experience. You are indeed experiencing a country in corruptions, in poverty, in violences. But I know things that you don't about this. Especially about the impact of post colonialism on the structures of your society.
This is something that can only be understood once you start to think in a materialistic ways, once you start to understand the powers of structures.
Again. You mention the rot of communism and socialism, you even mentionned the number of death because of communism.. but when I start to compare them to the number of death due to capitalism.. you suddenly stop replying and your ignore the discussion.
You need to face that contradiction. I already faced mine. I'm trying to reach you one last time here.
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You need to understand one thing : Materialism is not about ideology. Materialism is a way of seeing the world. It's opposite to the idealistic thinking. This means that we do not think that ideas can change the world, we have a much more realistic approach.
Materialism simply see the world as a result of material phenomenon. Said materiality can also be applied to over arching structures in society like communism or capitalism. Meaning that:
If you want to change the world, you need to change the structures where humans evolves.
If you understand that. You will start to understand a lot of things. I'm really not kidding.
------------------------------
------------------------------
I know you think that this is BS, that I'm simply a brainwashed leftist. So to try to reach you one last time I will ask our friend ChatGPT to explain you the importance of structure.
No intervention from me, it will be simple logic so there should be no problem with false information. So.. If you are trying to look at it in a rationnal way, you should be able to accept that:
As you can see here, a few simple structural change for a specific aera can create and modify the behaviors of hoomans.
Here, the example is very practical (the transportations infrastructures).. but in our case, we are talking about system that are not as tangible and YET.. they are real and documented system:
- Capitalism
- Patriarchy
- Systemic ableism
- Meritocracy
- Systemic racism
- Post colonialism
Etc.
Those are not some invention from crazy researchers, but real documented systems that are pushing us to adopt certain forms of behavior.
Under meritocracy, for example, Billionnaires are seen as a sign of success by the masses, people are pushed to win more and compete more as if competition was the heart of a well functionning society. But it is just a conditionning.
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You need to really accept AT LEAST that fact or you will continue to blame your socialist corrupt society, and you will never see a real and viable solution and you will never allow yourself to think of a better future with reason and serenity.
Structures are shaping us and our behavior. It is only by shaping the structures that we will be able to create real change. And it include giving your country a better chance to strive.
Actually I will try to learn spanish once I will get better. I tried to learn it a year ago, but I wasn't capable of concentrating on the task.
I might. Maybe. I'm not perfect and I know I have shortcomings. But your ideology is something I understand already, simply because I surfed with it a long time ago. I know how easy it is to be fooled by a system of beliefs that is far from reality.
I'm not denying the state of your experience. You are indeed experiencing a country in corruptions, in poverty, in violences. But I know things that you don't about this. Especially about the impact of post colonialism on the structures of your society.
This is something that can only be understood once you start to think in a materialistic ways, once you start to understand the powers of structures.
Again. You mention the rot of communism and socialism, you even mentionned the number of death because of communism.. but when I start to compare them to the number of death due to capitalism.. you suddenly stop replying and your ignore the discussion.
You need to face that contradiction. I already faced mine. I'm trying to reach you one last time here.
------------------------------
------------------------------
You need to understand one thing : Materialism is not about ideology. Materialism is a way of seeing the world. It's opposite to the idealistic thinking. This means that we do not think that ideas can change the world, we have a much more realistic approach.
Materialism simply see the world as a result of material phenomenon. Said materiality can also be applied to over arching structures in society like communism or capitalism. Meaning that:
If you want to change the world, you need to change the structures where humans evolves.
If you understand that. You will start to understand a lot of things. I'm really not kidding.
------------------------------
------------------------------
I know you think that this is BS, that I'm simply a brainwashed leftist. So to try to reach you one last time I will ask our friend ChatGPT to explain you the importance of structure.
No intervention from me, it will be simple logic so there should be no problem with false information. So.. If you are trying to look at it in a rationnal way, you should be able to accept that:
As you can see here, a few simple structural change for a specific aera can create and modify the behaviors of hoomans.
Here, the example is very practical (the transportations infrastructures).. but in our case, we are talking about system that are not as tangible and YET.. they are real and documented system:
- Capitalism
- Patriarchy
- Systemic ableism
- Meritocracy
- Systemic racism
- Post colonialism
Etc.
Those are not some invention from crazy researchers, but real documented systems that are pushing us to adopt certain forms of behavior.
Under meritocracy, for example, Billionnaires are seen as a sign of success by the masses, people are pushed to win more and compete more as if competition was the heart of a well functionning society. But it is just a conditionning.
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You need to really accept AT LEAST that fact or you will continue to blame your socialist corrupt society, and you will never see a real and viable solution and you will never allow yourself to think of a better future with reason and serenity.
Structures are shaping us and our behavior. It is only by shaping the structures that we will be able to create real change. And it include giving your country a better chance to strive.
I might. Maybe. I'm not perfect and I know I have shortcomings. But your ideology is something I understand already, simply because I surfed with it a long time ago. I know how easy it is to be fooled by a system of beliefs that is far from reality.
I'm not denying the state of your experience. You are indeed experiencing a country in corruptions, in poverty, in violences. But I know things that you don't about this. Especially about the impact of post colonialism on the structures of your society.
This is something that can only be understood once you start to think in a materialistic ways, once you start to understand the powers of structures.
Again. You mention the rot of communism and socialism, you even mentionned the number of death because of communism.. but when I start to compare them to the number of death due to capitalism.. you suddenly stop replying and your ignore the discussion.
You need to face that contradiction. I already faced mine. I'm trying to reach you one last time here.
------------------------------
------------------------------
You need to understand one thing : Materialism is not about ideology. Materialism is a way of seeing the world. It's opposite to the idealistic thinking. This means that we do not think that ideas can change the world, we have a much more realistic approach.
Materialism simply see the world as a result of material phenomenon. Said materiality can also be applied to over arching structures in society like communism or capitalism. Meaning that:
If you want to change the world, you need to change the structures where humans evolves.
If you understand that. You will start to understand a lot of things. I'm really not kidding.
------------------------------
------------------------------
I know you think that this is BS, that I'm simply a brainwashed leftist. So to try to reach you one last time I will ask our friend ChatGPT to explain you the importance of structure.
No intervention from me, it will be simple logic so there should be no problem with false information. So.. If you are trying to look at it in a rationnal way, you should be able to accept that:
As you can see here, a few simple structural change for a specific aera can create and modify the behaviors of hoomans.
Here, the example is very practical (the transportations infrastructures).. but in our case, we are talking about system that are not as tangible and YET.. they are real and documented system:
- Capitalism
- Patriarchy
- Systemic ableism
- Meritocracy
- Systemic racism
- Post colonialism
Etc.
Those are not some invention from crazy researchers, but real documented systems that are pushing us to adopt certain forms of behavior.
Under meritocracy, for example, Billionnaires are seen as a sign of success by the masses, people are pushed to win more and compete more as if competition was the heart of a well functionning society. But it is just a conditionning.
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You need to really accept AT LEAST that fact or you will continue to blame your socialist corrupt society, and you will never see a real and viable solution and you will never allow yourself to think of a better future with reason and serenity.
Structures are shaping us and our behavior. It is only by shaping the structures that we will be able to create real change. And it include giving your country a better chance to strive.
I agree that human behavior is modular and the environment plays a huge role on how we behave. Neuroscience backs this up. The difference between you and me is that i don't want anyone controlling the way people act. I do not want a centralized government that controls the population with social engineering. Nor do i want a technocrat to have the power to do the same.
Modern day slavery is called the rat race: being in constant pursue of money cause of constant(planned) economical crisis keep people from accumulating wealth. The solution to this is probably bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.
Decentralized technology is what will break the chains of such oppression.Not some government or bullshido intellectuals.Cuban government is losing tax money cause people are adopting crypto there. That regime is doomed to go bankrupt and die.
Centralization of power only breeds Tyranny. I don't hold European governments in a higher regard than Brazil when it comes to individual freedoms. The covid years proved how authoritarian your govs have become. Sure you guys have better quality of life and public services, but freedom? No.
Ok.
But you are defending a system that is oppressing you and is doing exactly that but to exploit you instead of helping you. You are not a billionnaire, you are struggling just like us.
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Changing the structures of society CAN be control if it is done without democracy and without transparency. But we are talking about fighting oppressions through restructuration here, not controlling what you think. Even you should be able to understand the difference.
Ok, you do not want a centralized government. You know what ? Me neither. If I had the choice, I would prefer to be auto organized societies. (Hence why I'm leaning more toward anarchism than communism)
But under capitalism, we don't have a choice. When the seek for profit can literally transform people into the worst version of themselves, how are you sure that those who don't have the ressources to keep up with the system can participate in society ? How do you make sure your water is safe ?
Well.. Regulations and taxes.
Under capitalism, it's not possible to do it differently. At least if you consider that we should not abandon those people or that we should not be allowed to sell poison to people (those are just examples).
I understand the fear of the state, but in this case, it's irrationnal at best. When individual people own a capital that a normal human working with more or less 6 $ per hours would make in 13+ MILLION years, we NEED a state to regulate such things.
Or.. you consider that it is normal ?
This is literally what is happening with what people call techno feodalism... you are defending that.
You are literally defending technocracy here. The very thing that you do not want to happen.
We live in capitalism. There is no such system as higher capitalism, after that it is libertariannism, which is even deadlier even more oppressive. Take a pause for a moment and accept that at least. We live in an era where the search for profit and the exploitation of worker is part of the system.
This. is. capitalism.
Now....
While it is complex to be precise, an estimation and most of all, a comparison between the number of death between capitalism and communism/socialism can CLEARLY be made.
This article shows very well that while socialism and communism actually were problematic period, what is happening under capitalism is even worse. We should not compare the death, but you give me no choice.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10455752.2021.1875603
We are talking about 100 MILLIONS of death for wars alone in the last centuries because of said capitalism impact.
Noam Chomsky, using finding about India even said concluded that "in India the democratic capitalist “experiment” since 1947 has caused more deaths than in the entire history of the “colossal, wholly failed … experiment” of Communism everywhere since 1917: over 100 million deaths by 1979, tens of millions more since [...]"
To that, you can had free market policies, politics, exploitation and poverty... the number will be just IMMENSE.
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I understand your focus on leftism and communism. Latine america is heavily corrupted and arbore a socialist face, so you make the shortcut that socialism is the problem.
But you need to face reality:
Capitalism is the problem.
Capitalism is the reason why your country is corrupted in the first place, not socialism, not leftism, not progressism, not women or trans people: CAPITALISM and the seeking for profit.
I'm actually begging you to take a step back and watch at reality with a rationnal eye and serenity. Listen to scientist, read about social science. Try to understand what being materialist means.
This is me not wanting to let go and trying one last time.. Please, listen.
Take a look at this:
But you are defending a system that is oppressing you and is doing exactly that but to exploit you instead of helping you. You are not a billionnaire, you are struggling just like us.
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Changing the structures of society CAN be control if it is done without democracy and without transparency. But we are talking about fighting oppressions through restructuration here, not controlling what you think. Even you should be able to understand the difference.
Ok, you do not want a centralized government. You know what ? Me neither. If I had the choice, I would prefer to be auto organized societies. (Hence why I'm leaning more toward anarchism than communism)
But under capitalism, we don't have a choice. When the seek for profit can literally transform people into the worst version of themselves, how are you sure that those who don't have the ressources to keep up with the system can participate in society ? How do you make sure your water is safe ?
Well.. Regulations and taxes.
Under capitalism, it's not possible to do it differently. At least if you consider that we should not abandon those people or that we should not be allowed to sell poison to people (those are just examples).
I understand the fear of the state, but in this case, it's irrationnal at best. When individual people own a capital that a normal human working with more or less 6 $ per hours would make in 13+ MILLION years, we NEED a state to regulate such things.
Or.. you consider that it is normal ?
This is literally what is happening with what people call techno feodalism... you are defending that.
You are literally defending technocracy here. The very thing that you do not want to happen.
We live in capitalism. There is no such system as higher capitalism, after that it is libertariannism, which is even deadlier even more oppressive. Take a pause for a moment and accept that at least. We live in an era where the search for profit and the exploitation of worker is part of the system.
This. is. capitalism.
Now....
While it is complex to be precise, an estimation and most of all, a comparison between the number of death between capitalism and communism/socialism can CLEARLY be made.
This article shows very well that while socialism and communism actually were problematic period, what is happening under capitalism is even worse. We should not compare the death, but you give me no choice.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10455752.2021.1875603
We are talking about 100 MILLIONS of death for wars alone in the last centuries because of said capitalism impact.
Noam Chomsky, using finding about India even said concluded that "in India the democratic capitalist “experiment” since 1947 has caused more deaths than in the entire history of the “colossal, wholly failed … experiment” of Communism everywhere since 1917: over 100 million deaths by 1979, tens of millions more since [...]"
To that, you can had free market policies, politics, exploitation and poverty... the number will be just IMMENSE.
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I understand your focus on leftism and communism. Latine america is heavily corrupted and arbore a socialist face, so you make the shortcut that socialism is the problem.
But you need to face reality:
Capitalism is the problem.
Capitalism is the reason why your country is corrupted in the first place, not socialism, not leftism, not progressism, not women or trans people: CAPITALISM and the seeking for profit.
I'm actually begging you to take a step back and watch at reality with a rationnal eye and serenity. Listen to scientist, read about social science. Try to understand what being materialist means.
This is me not wanting to let go and trying one last time.. Please, listen.
Take a look at this:
Capitalism encourages greed, ego, and hyper individualism. Communism pretends greed, ego, and hyper individualism doesn't exist. Under capitalism, it's a slow death as regulations are gradually removed to support those with lots of captital. Under communism, it's a quick death as high corruption runs rampant.
Capitalism can work, and has worked, if properly regulated. Communism doesn't work and has failed miserably over and over. Capitalism in Amerca ≠ Capitalism in Europe ≠Capitalism in Brazil. (I'm bored and just wanted to say shit).
Capitalism can work, and has worked, if properly regulated. Communism doesn't work and has failed miserably over and over. Capitalism in Amerca ≠ Capitalism in Europe ≠Capitalism in Brazil. (I'm bored and just wanted to say shit).
Like before, you see the world in an individualistic way. Thinking that behaviors are inherent to the human nature.
This vision of the world is the reason why we are on opposite sides despite your knowledge.
Reality does not work that way.
While it is true that we all have capacity for various behaviors, we are the result of the material conditions of our existences. This means that what you call greed, ego, hyper individualism, are just real social behaviors constructed by the conditionning of our systems.
You are failing to understand that communism couldn't stop the conditionning because the system was not functionnal as it was ! Under the trials of communism, meritocracy was never questionned, racism was present, patriarchy was not a priority, non productive members of society were viewed as counter revolutionnaries, ableism was not even a question...
What happened is simple:
We tried to create communism without even understanding the entire destruction system that is capitalism.
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Capitalism, even regulated.. DOES NOT WORK
... Unless we consider as acceptable the millions of death due to the lost bullets of the system or if we are okay to abandon the non productive members of society, racialized people, women, the working class and other minorities..
Anyone thinking that capitalism can work while regulated is either delusionnal or a Billionnaire who live on the exploitations of others.
Greed..
Ego...
Hyper individualism..
We could put those behavior in the past if we really wanted to. But we need to understand the importance of intersectionnality, of materialism & structures and STOP thinking that those behavior are inevitable.
It's always warmer to live in the confort of the oppression rather than facing the storm of change...
This vision of the world is the reason why we are on opposite sides despite your knowledge.
Reality does not work that way.
While it is true that we all have capacity for various behaviors, we are the result of the material conditions of our existences. This means that what you call greed, ego, hyper individualism, are just real social behaviors constructed by the conditionning of our systems.
You are failing to understand that communism couldn't stop the conditionning because the system was not functionnal as it was ! Under the trials of communism, meritocracy was never questionned, racism was present, patriarchy was not a priority, non productive members of society were viewed as counter revolutionnaries, ableism was not even a question...
What happened is simple:
We tried to create communism without even understanding the entire destruction system that is capitalism.
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Capitalism, even regulated.. DOES NOT WORK
... Unless we consider as acceptable the millions of death due to the lost bullets of the system or if we are okay to abandon the non productive members of society, racialized people, women, the working class and other minorities..
Anyone thinking that capitalism can work while regulated is either delusionnal or a Billionnaire who live on the exploitations of others.
Greed..
Ego...
Hyper individualism..
We could put those behavior in the past if we really wanted to. But we need to understand the importance of intersectionnality, of materialism & structures and STOP thinking that those behavior are inevitable.
It's always warmer to live in the confort of the oppression rather than facing the storm of change...
@Germinator so are you a creationist or what?
Color's perception aren't a material thing. Color is the subjective effect caused by wavelenghts of light. What is material is the wavelenghts, not the subjective effect we call color
Confusing the two leads to metaphysical problems
Yeah... you are not wrong. Concepts are social constructs and they are caused by material conditions.
But what you don't know is that causes or origins are irrelevant when we talk about concepts. Because what determine concepts are their inferential roles, i.e, their fuction in a reasoning.
If you create a new concept what will determine it won't be it cause, but his meaning in relation to another concepts. Its an holistic process.
Thats why empiricism is wrong when we talk about the nature of concepts
Confusing the two leads to metaphysical problems
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Yeah... you are not wrong. Concepts are social constructs and they are caused by material conditions.
But what you don't know is that causes or origins are irrelevant when we talk about concepts. Because what determine concepts are their inferential roles, i.e, their fuction in a reasoning.
If you create a new concept what will determine it won't be it cause, but his meaning in relation to another concepts. Its an holistic process.
Thats why empiricism is wrong when we talk about the nature of concepts
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I'm sorry I didn't understand your point (I was awoken with less than 3 hours of sleeps so I'm a bit lost). I think you are telling me that causes are not relevant with concepts, but I don't really understand the link witht the discussion.
So I will reply to that: In reality, causes do matter with concepts our at least the contextualisation of those concepts is important. When we talk about racism for example, it's just a word and it has many meaning in usual. But it is important to have a sociological approach when we talk about the creation of the word to understand that it is actually very recent.
> Which means, in that example, that racism as a system is actually quite new. Before that, while there were discrimination based on various principles (country, war lost, religion etc.) there was no such thing as a hierarachy of hoomans based on the color of the skin or ethnicities. Which can also help us to understand how to fight racism.
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As for the link with the discussion, I'm sorry, but I think I'm too fuzzy too understand what you meant.
I will clarify this sentence of mine because it can be missinterpretated:
"Yes. Social construct are also part of what we call the "material conditions of our existence". Materiality in the literal sence is not necessarily the determined factor. "
By "material condition of our existence" I meant the material condition that have a power to influence us our descision making and overall life. They can be :
- Concretes: This is the case for our biology, for the environment with leave in, the people we met
- Semi abstract: This would be the case for the capital we own, that can exist in concrete and abstract form.
- Abstract: This is the case of a structure like an ideology for ex
- Systemic: This would be the case for capitalism or patriarchy.
(I'm sure someone define that much better than me, but I don't have the volition to do research this morning so it will have to do.)
In other words, the concept of materiality in "material conditions of our existence" here is a way to solidify the notion that we are influence by many things, abstract, systemic or concrete, but all of those have a real material and physical impact on us and will change us as we are structured and transformed by those conditions..
>> Which means that by changing all those things, we also change behaviors.
Let's take a simple ex: This forum
> In this thread: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/a-last-stand-a-new-system-to-promote-positivity.59457/
I propose the structural changes for more positivity to be developped on this forum. This idea is simple : I don't want to force anyone to adopt a more positive behavior BUT I wanted people to adopt this behavior by themselves in response to the changes in the system.
So while I demanded for the moderation to be a little bit more present and informed on important questions such as transphobia, in reality you will see that a lot of the propositions here were made to please us as users and to canalize the negativity toward a specific point.
For example, I proposed the creation of new tags like the "moderation choice". This would be a thread, pinned on top of others and chosen by the moderation.
As you can see here, the idea is not to force, but to create a path for the behavior to evolve toward a specific type of change (more positivity) rather than another (toxicity). The structure of the forum is the reason why people are so toxic (for the reasons evocked in the thread, and it's not a particularity only of this forum) so by making structural change, you could make people adopt naturally more positive behaviors.
>> This is an example of many that behavior can be changed through systems changes.
When we adapt this thinking to fight oppressive systems (such as patriarchy or capitalism) we understand that in reality, greed, hyper individualism, sexism or Egoism, are just the product of a conditionning related to those systems not necessarily individual behavior problems or a bad state of the human nature.
So to fight those system, we must fight to structurally change them.
It's completely on topic. I would even say, it's the hearth of the political discussion.
So I will reply to that: In reality, causes do matter with concepts our at least the contextualisation of those concepts is important. When we talk about racism for example, it's just a word and it has many meaning in usual. But it is important to have a sociological approach when we talk about the creation of the word to understand that it is actually very recent.
> Which means, in that example, that racism as a system is actually quite new. Before that, while there were discrimination based on various principles (country, war lost, religion etc.) there was no such thing as a hierarachy of hoomans based on the color of the skin or ethnicities. Which can also help us to understand how to fight racism.
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As for the link with the discussion, I'm sorry, but I think I'm too fuzzy too understand what you meant.
I will clarify this sentence of mine because it can be missinterpretated:
"Yes. Social construct are also part of what we call the "material conditions of our existence". Materiality in the literal sence is not necessarily the determined factor. "
By "material condition of our existence" I meant the material condition that have a power to influence us our descision making and overall life. They can be :
- Concretes: This is the case for our biology, for the environment with leave in, the people we met
- Semi abstract: This would be the case for the capital we own, that can exist in concrete and abstract form.
- Abstract: This is the case of a structure like an ideology for ex
- Systemic: This would be the case for capitalism or patriarchy.
(I'm sure someone define that much better than me, but I don't have the volition to do research this morning so it will have to do.)
In other words, the concept of materiality in "material conditions of our existence" here is a way to solidify the notion that we are influence by many things, abstract, systemic or concrete, but all of those have a real material and physical impact on us and will change us as we are structured and transformed by those conditions..
>> Which means that by changing all those things, we also change behaviors.
Let's take a simple ex: This forum
> In this thread: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/a-last-stand-a-new-system-to-promote-positivity.59457/
I propose the structural changes for more positivity to be developped on this forum. This idea is simple : I don't want to force anyone to adopt a more positive behavior BUT I wanted people to adopt this behavior by themselves in response to the changes in the system.
So while I demanded for the moderation to be a little bit more present and informed on important questions such as transphobia, in reality you will see that a lot of the propositions here were made to please us as users and to canalize the negativity toward a specific point.
For example, I proposed the creation of new tags like the "moderation choice". This would be a thread, pinned on top of others and chosen by the moderation.
As you can see here, the idea is not to force, but to create a path for the behavior to evolve toward a specific type of change (more positivity) rather than another (toxicity). The structure of the forum is the reason why people are so toxic (for the reasons evocked in the thread, and it's not a particularity only of this forum) so by making structural change, you could make people adopt naturally more positive behaviors.
>> This is an example of many that behavior can be changed through systems changes.
When we adapt this thinking to fight oppressive systems (such as patriarchy or capitalism) we understand that in reality, greed, hyper individualism, sexism or Egoism, are just the product of a conditionning related to those systems not necessarily individual behavior problems or a bad state of the human nature.
So to fight those system, we must fight to structurally change them.
It's completely on topic. I would even say, it's the hearth of the political discussion.
Actually I will try to learn spanish once I will get better. I tried to learn it a year ago, but I wasn't capable of concentrating on the task.
I might. Maybe. I'm not perfect and I know I have shortcomings. But your ideology is something I understand already, simply because I surfed with it a long time ago. I know how easy it is to be fooled by a system of beliefs that is far from reality.
I'm not denying the state of your experience. You are indeed experiencing a country in corruptions, in poverty, in violences. But I know things that you don't about this. Especially about the impact of post colonialism on the structures of your society.
This is something that can only be understood once you start to think in a materialistic ways, once you start to understand the powers of structures.
Again. You mention the rot of communism and socialism, you even mentionned the number of death because of communism.. but when I start to compare them to the number of death due to capitalism.. you suddenly stop replying and your ignore the discussion.
You need to face that contradiction. I already faced mine. I'm trying to reach you one last time here.
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You need to understand one thing : Materialism is not about ideology. Materialism is a way of seeing the world. It's opposite to the idealistic thinking. This means that we do not think that ideas can change the world, we have a much more realistic approach.
Materialism simply see the world as a result of material phenomenon. Said materiality can also be applied to over arching structures in society like communism or capitalism. Meaning that:
If you want to change the world, you need to change the structures where humans evolves.
If you understand that. You will start to understand a lot of things. I'm really not kidding.
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I know you think that this is BS, that I'm simply a brainwashed leftist. So to try to reach you one last time I will ask our friend ChatGPT to explain you the importance of structure.
No intervention from me, it will be simple logic so there should be no problem with false information. So.. If you are trying to look at it in a rationnal way, you should be able to accept that:
As you can see here, a few simple structural change for a specific aera can create and modify the behaviors of hoomans.
Here, the example is very practical (the transportations infrastructures).. but in our case, we are talking about system that are not as tangible and YET.. they are real and documented system:
- Capitalism
- Patriarchy
- Systemic ableism
- Meritocracy
- Systemic racism
- Post colonialism
Etc.
Those are not some invention from crazy researchers, but real documented systems that are pushing us to adopt certain forms of behavior.
Under meritocracy, for example, Billionnaires are seen as a sign of success by the masses, people are pushed to win more and compete more as if competition was the heart of a well functionning society. But it is just a conditionning.
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You need to really accept AT LEAST that fact or you will continue to blame your socialist corrupt society, and you will never see a real and viable solution and you will never allow yourself to think of a better future with reason and serenity.
Structures are shaping us and our behavior. It is only by shaping the structures that we will be able to create real change. And it include giving your country a better chance to strive.
I might. Maybe. I'm not perfect and I know I have shortcomings. But your ideology is something I understand already, simply because I surfed with it a long time ago. I know how easy it is to be fooled by a system of beliefs that is far from reality.
I'm not denying the state of your experience. You are indeed experiencing a country in corruptions, in poverty, in violences. But I know things that you don't about this. Especially about the impact of post colonialism on the structures of your society.
This is something that can only be understood once you start to think in a materialistic ways, once you start to understand the powers of structures.
Again. You mention the rot of communism and socialism, you even mentionned the number of death because of communism.. but when I start to compare them to the number of death due to capitalism.. you suddenly stop replying and your ignore the discussion.
You need to face that contradiction. I already faced mine. I'm trying to reach you one last time here.
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You need to understand one thing : Materialism is not about ideology. Materialism is a way of seeing the world. It's opposite to the idealistic thinking. This means that we do not think that ideas can change the world, we have a much more realistic approach.
Materialism simply see the world as a result of material phenomenon. Said materiality can also be applied to over arching structures in society like communism or capitalism. Meaning that:
If you want to change the world, you need to change the structures where humans evolves.
If you understand that. You will start to understand a lot of things. I'm really not kidding.
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I know you think that this is BS, that I'm simply a brainwashed leftist. So to try to reach you one last time I will ask our friend ChatGPT to explain you the importance of structure.
No intervention from me, it will be simple logic so there should be no problem with false information. So.. If you are trying to look at it in a rationnal way, you should be able to accept that:
As you can see here, a few simple structural change for a specific aera can create and modify the behaviors of hoomans.
Here, the example is very practical (the transportations infrastructures).. but in our case, we are talking about system that are not as tangible and YET.. they are real and documented system:
- Capitalism
- Patriarchy
- Systemic ableism
- Meritocracy
- Systemic racism
- Post colonialism
Etc.
Those are not some invention from crazy researchers, but real documented systems that are pushing us to adopt certain forms of behavior.
Under meritocracy, for example, Billionnaires are seen as a sign of success by the masses, people are pushed to win more and compete more as if competition was the heart of a well functionning society. But it is just a conditionning.
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You need to really accept AT LEAST that fact or you will continue to blame your socialist corrupt society, and you will never see a real and viable solution and you will never allow yourself to think of a better future with reason and serenity.
Structures are shaping us and our behavior. It is only by shaping the structures that we will be able to create real change. And it include giving your country a better chance to strive.
So much nonsense hidden in fancy sounding phrases, that you yourself seem to get off to.
I will make it short:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
You're a not particularly smart individual with some serious mental problems, that especially thinks of himself as way smarter than you are in reality. Both in your trolling attempts and in your attempts at serious posts.
You are in fact a perfect example of intellectual mediocrity. Some superficial book knowledge without any kind of depth or deeper understanding of it, which simply doesn't translate to the real world.
If I had to make an educated guess based on the way you argue (you're not even understanding how superficial you are to begin with), you're probably even a bit below average when it comes to logical and critical thinking.
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