Controversial General Political Discussion

[Soyz]

Oh we can agree that it's ineffective and counter productive of course, terrorism like the attack on October or the genocide in Palestine are ontological the same thing, it's just that there is an incredible imbalance of power
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Are you brain damaged?

Are you ? what's so hard to understand? Israel didn't control things that came through in the past only since oct7 , Egypt control the border and always have, "In December 2009, Egypt started the building of a border barrier along the Gaza border, consisting of a steel wall that would be 10–11 km (6–7 miles) long and extend 18 m (60 feet) below the surface."

"Only passage of persons takes place through the Rafah Border Crossing; as such, the Egypt–Gaza border is only open to the passage of people, not of goods. All cargo traffic must go through Israel, usually through the Israeli-controlled Kerem Shalom border crossing on the Gaza–Israel barrier."

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

True

As I said earlier, Palestinians have right to statehood. They have rights to freedom and liberty.

Israel cannot continue to hold all lands under it at the cost of Palestinian rights. Israel cannon hold all chips in its hand.

But what Hamas has been doing is just counter productive. Whenever there was peace talks, it was Hamas who tried to derail it.

Hamas actions affect Palestinians cause more than it affects Israel. The terrorists attacks legitimatize Israel action to defend itself.

Hamas terrorist attacks is being in down Palestinians.

Because let's be real

A nation that has top notch military and intelligence, is backed by world big economies and military power like US, European giants, India in terms of aid during the ongoing war - will won't back down against a terror groups or some toothless internationally organizations.

Yes but it was Israel itself that financed and pushed the rise of Hamas, it's incredible that they created their own scape goat for any possible atrocity.

 

[Logiko]

Killing civilians is a surefire way to get people against your cause because nobody wants to support that. Just look the ANC in South Africa. Nelson Mandela at first was ambivalent towards, but then realize how ineffective it was and tried his hardest to move away from it

Tell me...

Do you feel like the world started to hate the ideas of the resistance against Israel since 2023 ?

Before 2023, did you often see people in news talk about colonization, apartheid, oppressions ?

Did you see worldwide demonstrations for Palestine and against the Israelian occupation before ?

Did you ever see this on Fox News ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876405329094959117

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Are you ? what's so hard to understand? Israel didn't control things that came through in the past only since oct7 , Egypt control the border and always have, "In December 2009, Egypt started the building of a border barrier along the Gaza border, consisting of a steel wall that would be 10–11 km (6–7 miles) long and extend 18 m (60 feet) below the surface."

"Only passage of persons takes place through the Rafah Border Crossing; as such, the Egypt–Gaza border is only open to the passage of people, not of goods. All cargo traffic must go through Israel, usually through the Israeli-controlled Kerem Shalom border crossing on the Gaza–Israel barrier."

Are you reading what you post?

 

[Blax Blah]

Tell me...

Do you feel like the world started to hate the ideas of the resistance against Israel since 2023 ?

Before 2023, did you often see people in news talk about colonization, apartheid, oppressions ?

Did you see worldwide demonstrations for Palestine and against the Israelian occupation before ?

Did you ever see this on Fox News ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876405329094959117

Personally I remember seeing news of the state of Israel bombing Gaza before October 7 happened

 

[AL sama]

if you guys can't talk about this topic in a civilized manner then don't talk about and yes this is a warning

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

if you guys can't talk about this topic in a civilized manner then don't talk about and yes this is a warning

If somebody is acting like they have brain damage it's our right as world citizen to point it out. What you gonna do about it, moddy boy?

 

[Roo]

Tell me...

Do you feel like the world started to hate the ideas of the resistance against Israel since 2023 ?

This is a stupid strawman. There's a wide range of opinions/emotions from support to hate. If you cannot engage honestly then don't waste other people's time.

 

[Uncle Van]

When there's so much propaganda surrounding an event that people strawman you to hell for not blindly eating their own propaganda

 

[AL sama]

When there's so much propaganda surrounded an event that people strawman you to hell for not blindly eating their own propaganda

dude I m about to go on a spree

 

[Reborn]

dude I m about to go on a spree

You have my permission

 

[Uncle Van]

dude I m about to go on a spree

One side thinks history started Oct 7 and that Israel is simply retaliating against terrorists. Just pro-Israel propaganda. The other thinks Hamas are just defending themselves against genocide. Pro-Hamas propaganda.

If you say Israel has been trying to occupy and cleanse Palestine for decades giving rise to resistance movements, one of them becoming a full blown terrorists organization that bombed Israel and gave them the excuse to genocide Palestinians across the board, both sides take their time to call you a propagandist lol

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

dude, I know we’ve had our disagreements, but putting all that to the side I have to tell you. You’re a class A weirdo. Ive never met someone who’s more obsessed with my personal life than you. Hell, I don’t even care that much about my personal background.

I truly don’t understand how you can allow someone you don’t even know live rent free in your head. Idk if I should feel bad for you or be scared what sort of deranged person you might be.

Do it like me. Put him on ignore and watch him screaming into the ether for a while before he locks in on his next target🤣

Do you consider the french resistance during the Nazi occupation were terrorists ? I'm just checking something.

your avi is evolving

 

[NAMELESS]

dude, I know we’ve had our disagreements, but putting all that to the side I have to tell you. You’re a class A weirdo. Ive never met someone who’s more obsessed with my personal life than you. Hell, I don’t even care that much about my personal background.

I truly don’t understand how you can allow someone you don’t even know live rent free in your head. Idk if I should feel bad for you or be scared what sort of deranged person you might be.

It's just a joke, my guy. Take it like a man.

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Let me help you with something your so called "resistance movement did" and how you are defending terrorists.

Read it because it's from UN.

By 22 September 2005, Israel withdraw from the entire Gaza Strip to the 1967 Green Line and the eviction of the four settlements in Samaria, was completed.

This was unilateral withdrawal from entire Gaza by Israel.

This is Israeli PM speech in UN after the withdrawal from Gaza

"The end of Israeli control over and responsibility for the Gaza Strip allows the Palestinians, if they so wish, to develop their economy and build a peace-seeking society, which is developed, free, law-abiding, and transparent and which adheres to democratic principles"

Palestinians Authority even conducted elections.

But in 2007 Hamas took over the Gaza Strip from the Palestinian Authority.

They had clear intent to destabilize Israel and and many thousands of rockets and mortar shells have been fired from the Gaza Strip onto southern Israeli towns and villages.


It was then Israel once again imposed Blockade in 2008 and then later on when rockets kept on coming from Hamas led an operations into Gaza once again.

It's a waste of time to show facts to Logiko types. I hope @Blax Blah dudes like this at least have the decency to learn and stop spewing the evil propaganda of the left.
e state of Israel's land was stolen from the parents or grandparents or grandgrandparents of today's palestinian people
I already told that land never belonged to Palestinians.
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Do it like me. Put him on ignore and watch him screaming into the ether for a while before he locks in on his next target🤣
your avi is evolving

I'm looking at you. hum...
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Sure,that's why in your first post you said " terrorists who were oppressed for centuries", I guess ur deft mind can't realize that's a phrase that's supposed to sympathize with the terrorists by feeling bad for them, if I call Hitler a poor guy who was rejected by a Jewish girl, later went on to kill millions of them, it's me humanizing his character by bringing "facts" intended to sympathize him and bring reasons for his actions, never have I called all palastianan terrorists so in reality the one assuming is you, keep on being deft and troll around we can all see how you sympathize terrorist and downplay their actions because they are "oppressed" 🤣

Wait, did Hitler get rejected by a jewish girl for real? lol
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Personally I remember seeing news of the state of Israel bombing Gaza before October 7 happened

I hope you also read the news about the terrorist acts perpetrated in Israel by Hamas and other groups.

 

[Uncle Van]

........

Everything you say is irrelevant because you strawman to claim someone feels bad for and supports terrorists.

 

[NAMELESS]

Did you even understand the post?

Israel did withdraw completely including settlements from Gaza so that Palestinians can have free society.


It was Hamas once again that used Gaza to fire rockets and kill civilians which led Israel to impose blockade

Hamas is against peace process. They hindered peace process in 90s. They used Gaza to attack Israel in 2007 even when Israel withdraw from Gaza. The kept on escalating the conflicts since then.

And, then committed October 7th attack on civilians.


Hamas is the instigator. Hamas is the terrorist group. Calling them a resistance movement is injustice to actual resistant movement which happened in the past

It's a waste of time to talk with Logiko. He only believes in the delusions of his mind.
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Lol, me calling out and insulting Solis: gets immediately deleted after a few seconds.

Soyz insults: letting them slide for hours or days.

Fuck the mods fr. Lol

Some of these guys here have privileges.
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Saying that Israel "withdrew " from Gaza is idiotic since they control all their borders.

It's an open sky prison and always has been.

I guess all land locked nations are living in sky prisons as well, since neighboring countries control their borders. Dumb argument.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I guess all land locked nations are living in sky prisons as well, since neighboring countries control their borders. Dumb argument.

Why are you acting special?
Israeli decide who gets in Palestine and who gets out, palestinian have no control on who gets in since the border is completely operated by Israel.
If I live in state x and try to get to state Y, the state Y border will decide if i can cross.
For Palestine only Israel control what gets in and out.
You must be actually acting dumb on purpose.

 

[NAMELESS]

I am on about the fact that Rafah's border is with Egypt but controlled by Israel as well.

The Rafah Border Crossing (Arabic: معبر رفح, romanized: Ma`bar Rafaḥ) or Rafah Crossing Point is the sole crossing point between Egypt and Palestine's Gaza Strip. It is located on the Egypt–Palestine border. Under a 2007 agreement between Egypt and Israel, Egypt controls the crossing but imports through the Rafah crossing require Israeli approval.

You shouldn't talk so superficially and with such certainty of things you do not know and do not understand.

Israel control what and who gets into Palestine, I.e. Palestine is under Israel control, has always been.
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I share this view, but it's absurd to not expect radicalisation in a population oppressed for 60 years.
Hamas is also a useful idiot that helps demonising the Palestinian cause, that's why Israel itself helped its success:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

Keep pretending Hamas terrorists wouldn't use Egypts border to harm Israeli citizens. They wisely do what they can to avoid terrorism in their lands.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Keep pretending Hamas terrorists wouldn't use Egypts border to harm Israeli citizens. They wisely do what they can to avoid terrorism in their lands.

Where have I said that?
Why are you putting words in my mouth?

Also:
Hamas was financed by Israel itself my man, well documented fact as well.

 

[NAMELESS]

Why are you acting special?
Israeli decide who gets in Palestine and who gets out, palestinian have no control on who gets in since the border is completely operated by Israel.
If I live in state x and try to get to state Y, the state Y border will decide if i can cross.
For Palestine only Israel control what gets in and out.
You must be actually acting dumb on purpose.

Did you ignore the fact that Hamas has being a thing since 1987 or do you have an agenda here?