Controversial General Political Discussion

[AL sama]

don't be a tsundere

 

[NAMELESS]

I love you all, even the deluded ones.

For real?

I am not the one saying it, its Israeli survivors and Israeli newpapers.

@Toby D. Dog will be jealous if you say it like that.

Huh?

I'm back. Let the shit slinging contest start. Swing away.

Israeli occupation and violance are criminal activities that should be stopped. Israeli soldiers have killed thousands of people of Palestine including kids.

Whose alt is this?

Post automatically merged: Jan 8, 2025

Would they fight for their leaders if they disgreed majorly?

And no, saying hamas is anti-jew doesnt mean i have to make that statement about every person in hamas.

For me to regurgitate propaganda of israel i qould first need to have listened to any of it. Which isnt the case.

So you are talking out of your ass and jumping to conclusions. Not unusual

Post automatically merged: Jan 11, 2024

Well but i have the founding document, shared statements of an insider to hamas, herrerra pulled plenty public statements and your best shot is "but that doesnt mean every single person is antisemitic" while not providing anything at all.

Get fucking real kid.

But at least i think you are just ignorant instead of dishonest

The new dude is definitely an alt. No way anybody is reading this shit from the beginning.

 

[Daniel]

🤨

 

[Monkey D Theories]

A mythological monster made of stone. It has robot like behaviour. Which is why i said i could use your words against you, cause you are jumping on the anti-Israel bandwagon like an npc.

What he’s trying to say is that you’re a pawn for “the Jews”

 

[NAMELESS]

What he’s trying to say is that you’re a pawn for “the Jews”

I know. His argument is stupid. I already criticized Israel when it was necessary. I don't like lies. Period. I'm not going to bash Israel for the sake of looking cool. Some people here are grasping at straws to do just that. It's idiotic.

 

[Reborn]

What he’s trying to say is that you’re a pawn for “the Jews”

So let me get this straight

People who are saying "Hamas is terrorist organization who targets civilians and derail peace process" and Hamas needs to be taken care of while saying Palestinians have right to statehood and freedom which Israel can't take away from them....makes them "pawn" of Jews.

So, by that logic, can I say people who defends Hamas are " bitches" of terrorists?

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

I know. His argument is stupid. I already criticized Israel when it was necessary. I don't like lies. Period. I'm not going to bash Israel for the sake of looking cool. Some people here are grasping at straws to do just that. It's idiotic.

I don't need to criticize Israel to look cool.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

So let me get this straight

People who are saying "Hamas is terrorist organization who targets civilians and derail peace process" and Hamas needs to be taken care of while saying Palestinians have right to statehood and freedom which Israel can't take away from them....makes them "pawn" of Jews.

some people will say you are a pawn of the Jews if you don’t agree with them on the most extreme anti-Zionist points

It’s really just a manipulation technique people use on moderates to try to shame them into “picking a side”

 

[Toby D. Dog]

some people will say you are a pawn of the Jews if you don’t agree with them on the most extreme anti-Zionist points

It’s really just a manipulation technique people use on moderates to try to shame them into “picking a side”

You're not a moderate, you've flipped flopped 2 or 3 times already. I'm afraid your view on this issue is entirely dictated by something other than ideological consistency.

 

[Uncle Van]

Can't we all agree that both Israel and Hamas are fucked? That they both got a bad history and commit war crimes(like..every other nation actually)? There's just too much propaganda and moral shit slinging with this topic. Speak out against Israel, people swoop in to claim you support terrorists. Speak out against Hamas, people swoop in to claim you support genocide. It always devolves into assuming intent and attacking each others morals instead of having a normal conversation(like every topic honestly).

 

[Daniel]

@Uncle Van A temporary time out should be done for the topic as the last couple of pages in this thread have had members devolve into arguments that risk developing into hostility.

About a week or two of it should be fine.

 

[Uncle Van]

@Uncle Van A temporary time out should be done for the topic as the last couple of pages in this thread have had members devolve into arguments that risk developing into hostility.

About a week or two of it should be fine.

You mean the war topic or the thread as a whole? Because there's been hostility over literally every subject. It's inevitable for political talk since so many got a personal attachment to their political views.

 

[Reborn]

Can't we all agree that both Israel and Hamas are fucked?

You are expecting from that community to agree on controversial, political, moral crisis who can't even agree on events and two fictional characters fighting in a manga written for teens

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Can't we all agree that both Israel and Hamas are fucked? That they both got a bad history and commit war crimes(like..every other nation actually)? There's just too much propaganda and moral shit slinging with this topic. Speak out against Israel, people swoop in to claim you support terrorists. Speak out against Hamas, people swoop in to claim you support genocide. It always devolves into assuming intent and attacking each others morals instead of having a normal conversation(like every topic honestly).

They are both bad is a weird take.
One is a terrorist radical party born from 60 years of racial oppressione with flebile political connection and bad financing. They have been responsible of terror attacks and on the Palestinian side are the ones opposing the two state solution
The other is an oppressivo quasi-theocracy that is currently invading 3 of their neighbours, responsible of genocide of civilians on a scale with no comparison in modern times and that has an history of 60 years of documented and proved oppression not only in Palestine but also on the west bank. All of this while being financed, allies with the entire Western world and among the most technological advanced armies in the world.
Apples and oranges.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Can't we all agree that both Israel and Hamas are fucked?

They are lying on many related subjects and pretending that if you criticize Israel you must like Hamas.

 

[Zenos7]

They are both bad is a weird take.
One is a terrorist radical party born from 60 years of racial oppressione with flebile political connection and bad financing. They have been responsible of terror attacks and on the Palestinian side are the ones opposing the two state solution
The other is an oppressivo quasi-theocracy that is currently invading 3 of their neighbours, responsible of genocide of civilians on a scale with no comparison in modern times and that has an history of 60 years of documented and proved oppression not only in Palestine but also on the west bank. All of this while being financed, allies with the entire Western world and among the most technological advanced armies in the world.
Apples and oranges.

One side being worse doesnt magically make the other side any less bad

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

One side being worse doesnt magically make the other side any less bad

I do not understand how this is related to what I wrote in any way.

 

[Uncle Van]

They are lying on many related subjects and pretending that if you criticize Israel you must like Hamas.

Speak out against Israel, people swoop in to claim you support terrorists.

This is literally in the post you replied to.

They are both bad is a weird take.
One is a terrorist radical party born from 60 years of racial oppressione with flebile political connection and bad financing. They have been responsible of terror attacks and on the Palestinian side are the ones opposing the two state solution
The other is an oppressivo quasi-theocracy that is currently invading 3 of their neighbours, responsible of genocide of civilians on a scale with no comparison in modern times and that has an history of 60 years of documented and proved oppression not only in Palestine but also on the west bank. All of this while being financed, allies with the entire Western world and among the most technological advanced armies in the world.
Apples and oranges.

This is just personal morals and preferences. Some people don't agree with blowing people up in general.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

This is literally in the post you replied to.



This is just personal morals and preferences. Some people don't agree with blowing people up in general.

I have not written down one thing related to morals though. I stated a list of facts, with the semi-theocracy being the only really biased statement.
If you allow a comparison, is like saying that the IRA and the British were both bad and wrong.
They were, but the difference between the two is clear.
Another comparison, both nazi and allies had concentration camps and bombed cities. Were they equally bad and the difference is down to morals?

 

[Uncle Van]

I have not written down one thing related to morals though. I stated a list of facts, with the semi-theocracy being the only really biased statement.
If you allow a comparison, is like saying that the IRA and the British were both bad and wrong.
They were, but the difference between the two is clear.
Another comparison, both nazi and allies had concentration camps and bombed cities. Were they equally bad and the difference is down to morals?

Wasn't singling you out if that's what you're thinking. I was speaking in general. You don't have to choose one over the other.