Uncle Van

Humans Evolve. Taxes Never Do.
Ok last time, because I'm missing my program. I need to learn to let go.


Not existing, POSSIBLE.

We have the evidence in human sciences that the material conditions of our existence are the equations behind all of our systems and we know that both are the forges of our behavior.

This is a factual observation of reality.

You can debate this principle anyway you want, as long as you will believe that human can somehow be inherently evil, you won't understand how Utopia is possible and why we say that it's - in reality - achieveble quite rapidely in the scale of our human history.

I guess you need to live daily in an horrible situation to understand this.

While this is not so true for people in immediat live threatenning danger, like westerner living under capitalism, it's much easier to justify the impossibility of overthrowing capitalism than to jump in the void of a potential new system.

Anti-capitalism, antiracism, feminism etc. requires the knowledge of what is and what is not possible. And it's something even leftists struggle with. It's VERY scary to even dive into the potential of an alternative thinking. Why ?

Because it means completely rethinking our vision of the world. And this is highly unsettling when you are not used to the process.
Where's your evidence of it being possible when there hasn't been any evidence for millions of years?

"There's no evidence of there being a rubber sun god, but it can happen in the future thanks to future technology. Just have faith"
 
Where's your evidence of it being possible when they there hasn't been any evidence for millions of years?

"There's no evidence of there being a rubber sun god, but it can happen in the future thanks to future technology. Just have faith"
I literally directed you toward said evidence : Human sciences, especially sociology and a materialistic thinking.

Once you get, you need to look at pre-neolithic societies and observes how patriarchy actually is a system resulting from the evolutions of the material conditions of people at the time. Then, you need to look at the evolution and the creation of capitalism. Through a critic of meritocracy, you learn VERY QUICKLY that capitalism relies on a false proposition.

Remove said proposition and you will create a much better and fair system. And this is just the start.

After that, you can look at the sociological reality of crimes and do exactly what I explained last week. Once capitalism will be evaporing, ableism will dissapear slowly as well.

People will have less reason to create conflicts and you will see a much bigger reasonnances of the process of creolization. With the end of capitalism, you will see the rise of social services, especially better education system. Which will push even more the rationnalization and sociological understanding of the world by the new generations. Which will push back others systems such as neo colonialism, systemic racism, and even religions.

Really, Utopia is simply a question of attacking all the systems of oppression at the same time and rehinking the structures of society to push a new and more equal vision of the world.

ALL the evidences are in science. It's time for you to look for it and stop looking at human as monolithics.

The "Human nature" does not exist.
 
I literally directed you toward said evidence : Human sciences, especially sociology and a materialistic thinking.

Once you get, you need to look at pre-neolithic societies and observes how patriarchy actually is a system resulting from the evolutions of the material conditions of people at the time. Then, you need to look at the evolution and the creation of capitalism. Through a critic of meritocracy, you learn VERY QUICKLY that capitalism relies on a false proposition.

Remove said proposition and you will create a much better and fair system. And this is just the start.

After that, you can look at the sociological reality of crimes and do exactly what I explained last week. Once capitalism will be evaporing, ableism will dissapear slowly as well.

People will have less reason to create conflicts and you will see a much bigger reasonnances of the process of creolization. With the end of capitalism, you will see the rise of social services, especially better education system. Which will push even more the rationnalization and sociological understanding of the world by the new generations. Which will push back others systems such as neo colonialism, systemic racism, and even religions.

Really, Utopia is simply a question of attacking all the systems of oppression at the same time and rehinking the structures of society to push a new and more equal vision of the world.

ALL the evidences are in science. It's time for you to look for it and stop looking at human as monolithics.

The "Human nature" does not exist.
I think something that's important is to not reduce everything to classes, marxism for example does class reductionism where it says all the causes of opression, and keep in mind marxism is stricly materialist, not in actuality, because even from a purely materialist perspective it misses things, but in its title, like it does not believe in spirits, it says all causes of opression comes from class opression,

But anarchism does a lot better power analysis because it analyses power directly, materially, like I am not a materialist, if materialism means believing in a spiritless world, but if materialism is analyzing all that is real, then that means looking at how things actually are and describing that

Like if God exists and materialism means analysing all the real factors in the world then a materialist understansing of reality includes God

But anarchism does power analysis not according to an ideal written in a book, but materially, realistically you can say, by looking at how things actually are, as in how power actually flows, and describing that

And some opression comes from class opression, but not all,
 
I literally directed you toward said evidence : Human sciences, especially sociology and a materialistic thinking.

Once you get, you need to look at pre-neolithic societies and observes how patriarchy actually is a system resulting from the evolutions of the material conditions of people at the time. Then, you need to look at the evolution and the creation of capitalism. Through a critic of meritocracy, you learn VERY QUICKLY that capitalism relies on a false proposition.

Remove said proposition and you will create a much better and fair system. And this is just the start.

After that, you can look at the sociological reality of crimes and do exactly what I explained last week. Once capitalism will be evaporing, ableism will dissapear slowly as well.

People will have less reason to create conflicts and you will see a much bigger reasonnances of the process of creolization. With the end of capitalism, you will see the rise of social services, especially better education system. Which will push even more the rationnalization and sociological understanding of the world by the new generations. Which will push back others systems such as neo colonialism, systemic racism, and even religions.

Really, Utopia is simply a question of attacking all the systems of oppression at the same time and rehinking the structures of society to push a new and more equal vision of the world.

ALL the evidences are in science. It's time for you to look for it and stop looking at human as monolithics.

The "Human nature" does not exist.
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yeah...
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Another one falls victim to the guy who only cares about instigating and trolling
Cause mods don't moderate shit.
 
I think something that's important is to not reduce everything to classes, marxism for example does class reductionism where it says all the causes of opression, and keep in mind marxism is stricly materialist, not in actuality, because even from a purely materialist perspective it misses things, but in its title, like it does not believe in spirits, it says all causes of opression comes from class opression,
Indeed. Class reductionnism is a problem. That's why a real change must be intersectionnal. Only through intersectionnality we will be able to create an anarchic/real socialist society.

Careful tho, religion has nothing to do with that. I won't criticize your vision too much on religion, but it creates a major blindspot on materialism and anarchism.

Materialism is not the understanding of power, it's the understanding of power RELATIONSHIPS. (as in domination relationships) . And this is why we must look at humans sciences to really think about those relationships


Between me and you.. You are the one living with the hate of others here...
 
Indeed. Class reductionnism is a problem. That's why a real change must be intersectionnal. Only through intersectionnality we will be able to create an anarchic/real socialist society.

Careful tho, religion has nothing to do with that. I won't criticize your vision too much on religion, but it creates a major blindspot on materialism and anarchism.

Materialism is not the understanding of power, it's the understanding of power RELATIONSHIPS. (as in domination relationships) . And this is why we must look at humans sciences to really think about those relationships



Between me and you.. You are the one living with the hate of others here...
A wise man once said:"Evil needs to be hated":PepeChad:
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Where are you from btw?
 
Indeed. Class reductionnism is a problem. That's why a real change must be intersectionnal. Only through intersectionnality we will be able to create an anarchic/real socialist society.

Careful tho, religion has nothing to do with that. I won't criticize your vision too much on religion, but it creates a major blindspot on materialism and anarchism.

Materialism is not the understanding of power, it's the understanding of power RELATIONSHIPS. (as in domination relationships) . And this is why we must look at humans sciences to really think about those relationships



Between me and you.. You are the one living with the hate of others here...
Well I don't know that much about these philosophies specifically but christianity says the world is material and spiritual
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A wise man once said:"Evil needs to be hated":PepeChad:
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Where are you from btw?
Eastern europe
 
A wise man once said:"Evil needs to be hated":PepeChad:
Not if you consider that evil does not exist.
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Well I don't know that much about these philosophies specifically but christianity says the world is material and spiritual
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Eastern europe
Those two videos should be enough for you to understand the importance of intersectionnality.

- [VIDEO] - Understanding intersectionality - Kimberlé Crenshaw on TED Talk - IMPORTANT
- [VIDEO] - What is intersectionality ?
 

Uncle Van

Humans Evolve. Taxes Never Do.
I literally directed you toward said evidence : Human sciences, especially sociology and a materialistic thinking.

Once you get, you need to look at pre-neolithic societies and observes how patriarchy actually is a system resulting from the evolutions of the material conditions of people at the time. Then, you need to look at the evolution and the creation of capitalism. Through a critic of meritocracy, you learn VERY QUICKLY that capitalism relies on a false proposition.

Remove said proposition and you will create a much better and fair system. And this is just the start.

After that, you can look at the sociological reality of crimes and do exactly what I explained last week. Once capitalism will be evaporing, ableism will dissapear slowly as well.

People will have less reason to create conflicts and you will see a much bigger reasonnances of the process of creolization. With the end of capitalism, you will see the rise of social services, especially better education system. Which will push even more the rationnalization and sociological understanding of the world by the new generations. Which will push back others systems such as neo colonialism, systemic racism, and even religions.

Really, Utopia is simply a question of attacking all the systems of oppression at the same time and rehinking the structures of society to push a new and more equal vision of the world.

ALL the evidences are in science. It's time for you to look for it and stop looking at human as monolithics.

The "Human nature" does not exist.
And yet a utopia has never happened after millions of years and thousands of societies.
 
Where's your evidence of it being possible when there hasn't been any evidence for millions of years?

"There's no evidence of there being a rubber sun god, but it can happen in the future thanks to future technology. Just have faith"
To be fair, the "evidence of possibility" always exist. Scientist never believe 100% in their theories. If they were to make percentages it can be very high and close to certainty but never 100%. That's how you get scientists saying they're not 100% sure vaccines do this or that. I mean the "evidence of possibility" kinda sounds like a problematic expression.

I guess that what Logiko is saying is that his utopia can exist while the thread is telling him that humanity never made it there. It's basically a travel problem lol.
 
I guess you need to live daily in an horrible situation to understand this.

While this is not so true for people in immediat live threatenning danger. For people like westerners living under capitalism, it's much easier to justify the impossibility of overthrowing capitalism than to jump in the void of a potential new system.

Anti-capitalism, antiracism, feminism etc. requires the knowledge of what is and what is not possible. And it's something even leftists struggle with. It's VERY scary to even dive into the potential of an alternative thinking. Why ?

Because it means completely rethinking our vision of the world. And this is highly unsettling when you are not used to the process
cool story bro, but i suspect most people would think a perfect society is a comforting idea lmao.
 
To be fair, the "evidence of possibility" always exist. Scientist never believe 100% in their theories. If they were to make percentages it can be very high and close to certainty but never 100%. That's how you get scientists saying they're not 100% sure vaccines do this or that. I mean the "evidence of possibility" kinda sounds like a problematic expression.

I guess that what Logiko is saying is that his utopia can exist while the thread is telling him that humanity never made it there. It's basically a travel problem lol.
"Lack of evidence, is not evidence for impossibility or inexistence "- Nameless, WorstGen Philosopher.
 
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