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@Blax Blah sorry, now i realized you were talking about workers cooperative. No, i don't think such a system is sustainable for a number of reasons and i already explained why when we talked about Mais valia last year.
So...you saying that once we get rid of communism people will stop getting ill? get the fuck out of here
I know you are quite ignorant on the subject, but for your information, we are much more likely to end up in precarity with a visible or invisible disability. Simply because the system (capitalism/ableism) pushes every non productive member of society in the streets.
IN fact, you could see this very phenomenon with your OWN words a few month ago when the entire thread started to explain how illegitimate I was to benefit social services despite my complete inaptitude do work.
You guyz were quite literally a projection of the system pushing me in the streets ("you are not legitimate"), the PRECISE and UNDEBATABLE representation of the victims of capitalism becomes the oppressors of people with less priviledges than them.
So you want to know how it would work without capitalist ? Well, imagine that the system will not push people in the streets, instead, it will help them as much as possible for give them time to heal.
You fear communism, but you are defending a system that is a hundreds time more oppressive.
Knowing that utopia is possible IS the conforting idea.
The reason people fear change is because they do not believe it to be possible and a way to create even more oppression. That's the reason why it took me 10 years to see a psychiatrist. I was afraid of change because I thought that it would make my situation even worse. But I only had this mindset because I didn't know what the change would look like.
In just a few years, this change transformed my life. The psy didn't help me as much as I wanted to, but my mental health is 1000x times better than it was 5 years ago.
Actually I am yes.
As a person suffering from a handicap, I'm literally considered by society as a non productive and thus non essential member of society. Which can be seen is the way our social rights are attacked by the politics of our system.
I could very well end up in the street in a few years because I'm not sure to have access to the current aid I have and since I'm still unable to move around and be really active, I'm in danger.
And I'm in France, which means that i'm lucky, in other country it's worse.
It's not because you call out an idealism of mine that it's real mate lmao
When you will be able to understand basic principle of sociology like the absence of meritocracy or human nature, you will be able to talk like that.
Until then, you are the one depicting idealism and irrationnal ideas such as "greed" or "evil". i've directed you toward evidences. Go look for them.
I'm stopping this discussion here. If you are not gonna listen to science it's useless to talk.
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Same for others. I once again got caught up in my old behavior. Good night.
Ok, here you go: Market dynamics are basically a competition. People strive to compete and be better. Competitions naturally create hierarchies. Equal pay for all does not reward hard work. Lazy people often exploit such systems. Just think back on high school days how many times you had to do extra work for lazy and dumb classmates that were part of a group dynamic. It isn't fair. Eventually, the hard workers will stop working hard and the quality of services/products and production itself will take a hit. For these same reasons, equal rights on decision-making for all workers is also dangerous, since not everyone has the best intentions of the group or the company in mind. Now let's speak on individuals capabilities: Not everyone should be in a position of authority due to many reasons(be they moral or skill related). Speed matters in a competition. Democracy is slow. Centralized decision making ensures that decisions are taken fast and aiming for the biggest profit, which is what ensures that business survive. If enough individuals are corrupt or inept, or the company is slow to adapt to the market needs, the business will be unproductive and be at risk of failing. A company needs to profit to survive. Anything that harms profits risks the very existence of the company.
So you are saying you want more privileges despite being unproductive?
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So you are saying you want more privileges despite being unproductive?
One more thing about reward: This is literally how our neurology works. Dopamine is produced in anticipation of a reward. If you get no reward. Your brain will signal for dopamine to not be produced any longer and you lose the will to chase whatever it is you were chasing. People need to believe there is a reward awaiting for them so they get their butts moving.
we are all suffering from utophobia 
I have all my needs and (arguably) wants met right now so life is pretty darn comfortable at the moment. But it wasn't always like this a couple years back because sometimes, the people around you can let you down as much as existing systems in society do.
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Guess this explains the rising number of people posting lifting/gym vids the last year or so. It's the only thing where results are purely dependent on merit.
Edit: Maybe one of the only things where results aren't dependent on the actions of others doing the exact same thing.
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I was reading about this town in New Jersey. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York
It’s this majority ultra orthodox Jewish town where apparently 40% of people live below the poverty level but despite them having high poverty, this town has very little crime.
I believe it’s because the ultra orthodox are somewhat communistic. Their strong community bonds helps them support one another. Not to mention I’m sure their devote religious convictions probably also play a role in effecting their behavior.
in any case it kinda makes you wonder. We’ve been told poverty causes crime, but maybe there’s more to it than that.
I do think crime is cultural, but not in a racist way. I think it’s the culture of capitalism.
Capitalism encourages exploitation. The wealthy engage in exploitation through structural violence. Meanwhile the poor do it by just robbing people.
The haredi jews and the Amish basically bypass this by creating a massive support system that counteracts the typical capitalist exploitation.
It’s this majority ultra orthodox Jewish town where apparently 40% of people live below the poverty level but despite them having high poverty, this town has very little crime.
I believe it’s because the ultra orthodox are somewhat communistic. Their strong community bonds helps them support one another. Not to mention I’m sure their devote religious convictions probably also play a role in effecting their behavior.
in any case it kinda makes you wonder. We’ve been told poverty causes crime, but maybe there’s more to it than that.
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I do think crime is cultural, but not in a racist way. I think it’s the culture of capitalism.
Capitalism encourages exploitation. The wealthy engage in exploitation through structural violence. Meanwhile the poor do it by just robbing people.
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The haredi jews and the Amish basically bypass this by creating a massive support system that counteracts the typical capitalist exploitation.
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Utopia is idealism. It's impossibile and steers you away from reality through blind faith.
Idea itself isn't bad but what it overlook is humans themselves.
What one human want, might not be wanted by other
What one human likes, might not be liked by other
What one human seek, might not be seeked by other
The difference in perspectives, approach, view and wants results in people being on different spectrum even on a common issue and thus the conflicts.
And, then human have vices - envy, greed and so on. Just one person with strong vice is enough to disturb the balance.
We can strive to make society better but to say utopia is realism is nothing short of day dreaming.
Idea itself isn't bad but what it overlook is humans themselves.
What one human want, might not be wanted by other
What one human likes, might not be liked by other
What one human seek, might not be seeked by other
The difference in perspectives, approach, view and wants results in people being on different spectrum even on a common issue and thus the conflicts.
And, then human have vices - envy, greed and so on. Just one person with strong vice is enough to disturb the balance.
We can strive to make society better but to say utopia is realism is nothing short of day dreaming.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/tankiejerk/s/cldjvqJyv2
@NAMELESS Did you see things like this?