Why, did you do something that a Tracker could have something on you? 
She could be, how did you conclude she is not?
She could be, how did you conclude she is not?
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Because she is using the same logic she entertained against Gambit, this means that her sus at the beginning of the phase isn't genuinely a result and since I know my alignment I know for sure she is not either way.
Natalija was accusing me to be off town meta read since yesterday and she did nothing different today, if not she reiterated the same behaviour as with Gambit who then flippe town. She has no result on me and I want to prove it.
I'm entirely aware of my doom if she flips Tracker but I can't care less in that she is not one.
I'm entirely aware of my doom if she flips Tracker but I can't care less in that she is not one.
Yes she did - these are her reads on rayan
then rayan started giving reads while I was trying those two big ass posts
People started finding his reads diplomatic and not putting much efforts and after Rayan last read (last post above) melon made this post (just half an hour before day two end).
It's after this post rayan gave his jiraya Sensei read in which he once again didn't mention melon.
Also, the timing of melon post (very end) and reason she gave to put vote on rayan sounds iffy to me.
This is all I have.
then rayan started giving reads while I was trying those two big ass posts
People started finding his reads diplomatic and not putting much efforts and after Rayan last read (last post above) melon made this post (just half an hour before day two end).
It's after this post rayan gave his jiraya Sensei read in which he once again didn't mention melon.
Also, the timing of melon post (very end) and reason she gave to put vote on rayan sounds iffy to me.
This is all I have.
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Just read through Entire Final Beta's play
1. He made his personal vote on Natalijia based on his claim that she was clumsy on her play based on her sus on Gambit .
Gave a excuse for University exam when Yo questioned on his activity . His reaction seems fine to me here .
Here is the bad part when reborn started wagon on him he talks about Sera/Reborn interaction . He s more focused on Reborn behavior than questioning the vote big red flag to me .
Why change of vote when you have had mind made up on Natalie ?
No Issue of being checked , Its true i town read him early part of the game . Here he accuses Reborn and Tris of corporating .
He makes reasonable argument on why he he might not have killed TAC . This is my reason he is playing safe with the voters in the game .
Big part he claim he can be cleared based on cop may have checked him out . There has been no proof cop did not sus him so again if the confident part comes from either he is invest immune like godfather
Here he question meta play of reborn and repeats the same quotes of him and sera ignoring his other part of the game .
Big Red flag
- Lack of insight on Gambit why ? Was he scum or town to you ? Thats why i keep asking you for reads .
- Recycle thoughts od sera/Reborn Feud
- Makes weak case on rayan and did not vote him .
- Again Slightly sus on Cobra in the second Quote showing the part he is pulling wagon on other players . Even though he still had his vote on reborn .
Need better citation from beta on what natalie accused you ?
Here FB make sense case strong and its hard to tell . Of course i have thought same way
Susses on player too be out of this conclusion
My Final thought :
Although in key place Beta's defense on himself sees trong on his accusation why would he kill on player when he susses them , but there is fallacy in his play his play circles around few player who accuse him .
Bea had Reborn , Natalijia from Day 2 , no sus list on Gambit , Rayan is pretty iffy play . Considering he was aware Rayan was openly scumming .
Conclusion :
I think if Cops have invest on him and he is pretty confident on his part , either SK has invest immunity protection thats why he could push his kill on drago and TAC .
or he is just telling the truth on whole part with Reborn and Natalijia thing but his reaction and play with other players like Gambit , Rayan , Tris puts me in odd place . There is possibility he might be scum .
1. He made his personal vote on Natalijia based on his claim that she was clumsy on her play based on her sus on Gambit .
Gave a excuse for University exam when Yo questioned on his activity . His reaction seems fine to me here .
Here is the bad part when reborn started wagon on him he talks about Sera/Reborn interaction . He s more focused on Reborn behavior than questioning the vote big red flag to me .
Why change of vote when you have had mind made up on Natalie ?
No Issue of being checked , Its true i town read him early part of the game . Here he accuses Reborn and Tris of corporating .
He makes reasonable argument on why he he might not have killed TAC . This is my reason he is playing safe with the voters in the game .
Big part he claim he can be cleared based on cop may have checked him out . There has been no proof cop did not sus him so again if the confident part comes from either he is invest immune like godfather
Here he question meta play of reborn and repeats the same quotes of him and sera ignoring his other part of the game .
Big Red flag
- Lack of insight on Gambit why ? Was he scum or town to you ? Thats why i keep asking you for reads .
- Recycle thoughts od sera/Reborn Feud
- Makes weak case on rayan and did not vote him .
- Again Slightly sus on Cobra in the second Quote showing the part he is pulling wagon on other players . Even though he still had his vote on reborn .
Need better citation from beta on what natalie accused you ?
Here FB make sense case strong and its hard to tell . Of course i have thought same way
Susses on player too be out of this conclusion
My Final thought :
Although in key place Beta's defense on himself sees trong on his accusation why would he kill on player when he susses them , but there is fallacy in his play his play circles around few player who accuse him .
Bea had Reborn , Natalijia from Day 2 , no sus list on Gambit , Rayan is pretty iffy play . Considering he was aware Rayan was openly scumming .
Conclusion :
I think if Cops have invest on him and he is pretty confident on his part , either SK has invest immunity protection thats why he could push his kill on drago and TAC .
or he is just telling the truth on whole part with Reborn and Natalijia thing but his reaction and play with other players like Gambit , Rayan , Tris puts me in odd place . There is possibility he might be scum .
@Fallen Prince
No SK doesn't possess invest immunity. If a Cop visits SK then a bad result will appear to the Cop.
By the way about the Red Flag you mention, I explained that I was simply lacking insight on Gambit's meta because I lacked knowledge from his past games. That was it basically. So despite his behaviour had been too salty like I mentioned, at least I wasn't sure whether or not that was his town meta.
No SK doesn't possess invest immunity. If a Cop visits SK then a bad result will appear to the Cop.
By the way about the Red Flag you mention, I explained that I was simply lacking insight on Gambit's meta because I lacked knowledge from his past games. That was it basically. So despite his behaviour had been too salty like I mentioned, at least I wasn't sure whether or not that was his town meta.
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If you really town describe everyones play including myself.
What about yo tan wa, meleon , me unless you font give me detail reads llayers will find you sus.
I agree you made decent strong on yourself regarding the kills on TAC, drago but your play circles around the accusation someone frames on you .
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What about yo tan wa, meleon , me unless you font give me detail reads llayers will find you sus.
I agree you made decent strong on yourself regarding the kills on TAC, drago but your play circles around the accusation someone frames on you .
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You are right but I usually never provide a full list of reads when I play Mafia, regardless of my alignment. I always happen to focus on a few players, the ones I find the most suspicious but I never convert my full mind content into reads.
The thing is there's nothing either you or Melo or Yo Tan have done that really makes me suspect you solidly, I don't find a consistent off point about you. I also have to admit that I haven't read the whole thread detailedly due my IRL issues so if I missed something that will be my fault. You have personally been congruent with your reads and so did Melo and Yo Tan.
On the other hand Natalija is completely off, in that she is reiterating the same tinfoily behaviour she observed towards Gambit and is perhaps hinting at being the tracker from what I see, when she is clearly not. I can prove she is no tracker and that implies lynching her.
I would gain absolutely nothing from lynching someone who votes me at the beginning of the phase if I thought such player had a result on me and I was scum.
I'm not lynching her for this alone of course, but as I said I'm confident she was the one to kill Sera and cast the frame on me. It was easy to because it has been a while people are suspecting me to be SK.
She looks confident with her read and this is a ploy. She has nothing on me, she is just sticking with her read from the previous day phase and reiterating it.
The thing is there's nothing either you or Melo or Yo Tan have done that really makes me suspect you solidly, I don't find a consistent off point about you. I also have to admit that I haven't read the whole thread detailedly due my IRL issues so if I missed something that will be my fault. You have personally been congruent with your reads and so did Melo and Yo Tan.
On the other hand Natalija is completely off, in that she is reiterating the same tinfoily behaviour she observed towards Gambit and is perhaps hinting at being the tracker from what I see, when she is clearly not. I can prove she is no tracker and that implies lynching her.
I would gain absolutely nothing from lynching someone who votes me at the beginning of the phase if I thought such player had a result on me and I was scum.
I'm not lynching her for this alone of course, but as I said I'm confident she was the one to kill Sera and cast the frame on me. It was easy to because it has been a while people are suspecting me to be SK.
She looks confident with her read and this is a ploy. She has nothing on me, she is just sticking with her read from the previous day phase and reiterating it.
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Is it possible TAC was bussing his own team mate.
Only way beta can be scum is if he was jnvest immune for two day phase .
Sk is def someone doing ths killing.
Reborn being sk falls flat - FB has been sildnt on teborn after seras death. Focus is on natalie , if natalie was sk wouldnt she benefit from beta as gf and her accusation of beta being scjm seem confident but we cant discount even she made mistake on gambits read.
Natalie as SK theory falls flat if beta is GF both are contradictory.
@Melontonin any reason you have natalie as your vote ?
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Only way beta can be scum is if he was jnvest immune for two day phase .
Sk is def someone doing ths killing.
Reborn being sk falls flat - FB has been sildnt on teborn after seras death. Focus is on natalie , if natalie was sk wouldnt she benefit from beta as gf and her accusation of beta being scjm seem confident but we cant discount even she made mistake on gambits read.
Natalie as SK theory falls flat if beta is GF both are contradictory.
@Melontonin any reason you have natalie as your vote ?
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Didn't you town clear Melon, you explained in detail why Melon could not be Mafia based on Tac interactions.
what changed nw? Are you going after her because she sussed you last day phase?
Given Tac was killed by SK, it also make sense he would be killed by someone he interacted with, or someone he sussed or appeared as threat to. Was planning to look into these players once Gambit flipped Godfather, 🥴
This was good read. Now on to my replies to it.
Given Drago kill was set up for Gambit, this is not far off.
And this also hints, it can't be Cobra and rather a decent player. Cobra framing Reborn don't make sense given the latter read him as townie. So i also don't think Cobra did this.
It could also be setup to frame Nat, which is what you did in this post
Beta sussing Nat back for sussing him is usual Beta. He will always do that regardless his alignment, but yes if he was SK, he would shade Reborn in some way, and he did.
but the point in Beta favour is, as a SK it's very risky to go after Reborn of all players. Constantly pushing Reborn, will make the latter to go through his posts in detail and if he was scum, he is bound to slip up and his chances of getting caught will increase, or get him mislynched by town due to bad game. And given Reborn is trusted as town leader in most games, others would also sus Beta more for sussing Reborn.
Now Final beta at times can yes be bold with strategies, but i feel like he wouldn't to this degree.
Tho this would have been good strategy on one front
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Yes Sera did.
But there's one more possibility i.e Night actions?
She flipped 180 degree on Gambit last dya phase, and strongly hinting this phase that she knows Beta is scum. I don't completely believes it, but i wouldn't mind chcking it out by voting Beta.
And if she turns out wrong, she most likely is our scum, or you or Reborn.
Threatened is wrong word, but i see your point yes.
And yes, it was Town vs Town, Sera flipped Town.
Yes two things you missed.
1) possibility of Reborn Killing Sera. With Gambit town flip, Sera would have had credibility and good chance to get Reborn lynched, so Reason is there fof Reborn to kill off Sera and since it is too obvious, it makes it possible for Reborn to do it and call it off by calling it obvious.
2) Players Sera sus D1 n D2. Could be he was onto someone but scum couldn't kill him thn, and did after D3 when he had interacted with many D3. I will look into this, but haven't got the time, and this post is already quite long one.
@Finalbeta next time if you are really town, don't ignore my questions. I always read that as Bad, something Gambit also did D2 n D3 phase.
Melon what did you had on @Reborn?
You were on to Nat and Gambit is self explanatory, but putting Reborn above Nat as your primary option for lynch with Gambit?
But thn you didn't persue Reborn this day phase, didn't even consider the possibility Reborn could have killed Sera himself, why?
What changed on Reborn for you?
what changed nw? Are you going after her because she sussed you last day phase?
Given Tac was killed by SK, it also make sense he would be killed by someone he interacted with, or someone he sussed or appeared as threat to. Was planning to look into these players once Gambit flipped Godfather, 🥴
This was good read. Now on to my replies to it.
Given Drago kill was set up for Gambit, this is not far off.
And this also hints, it can't be Cobra and rather a decent player. Cobra framing Reborn don't make sense given the latter read him as townie. So i also don't think Cobra did this.
It could also be setup to frame Nat, which is what you did in this post
Beta sussing Nat back for sussing him is usual Beta. He will always do that regardless his alignment, but yes if he was SK, he would shade Reborn in some way, and he did.
but the point in Beta favour is, as a SK it's very risky to go after Reborn of all players. Constantly pushing Reborn, will make the latter to go through his posts in detail and if he was scum, he is bound to slip up and his chances of getting caught will increase, or get him mislynched by town due to bad game. And given Reborn is trusted as town leader in most games, others would also sus Beta more for sussing Reborn.
Now Final beta at times can yes be bold with strategies, but i feel like he wouldn't to this degree.
Tho this would have been good strategy on one front
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Yes Sera did.
But there's one more possibility i.e Night actions?
She flipped 180 degree on Gambit last dya phase, and strongly hinting this phase that she knows Beta is scum. I don't completely believes it, but i wouldn't mind chcking it out by voting Beta.
And if she turns out wrong, she most likely is our scum, or you or Reborn.
Threatened is wrong word, but i see your point yes.
And yes, it was Town vs Town, Sera flipped Town.
Yes two things you missed.
1) possibility of Reborn Killing Sera. With Gambit town flip, Sera would have had credibility and good chance to get Reborn lynched, so Reason is there fof Reborn to kill off Sera and since it is too obvious, it makes it possible for Reborn to do it and call it off by calling it obvious.
2) Players Sera sus D1 n D2. Could be he was onto someone but scum couldn't kill him thn, and did after D3 when he had interacted with many D3. I will look into this, but haven't got the time, and this post is already quite long one.
@Finalbeta next time if you are really town, don't ignore my questions. I always read that as Bad, something Gambit also did D2 n D3 phase.
Melon what did you had on @Reborn?
You were on to Nat and Gambit is self explanatory, but putting Reborn above Nat as your primary option for lynch with Gambit?
But thn you didn't persue Reborn this day phase, didn't even consider the possibility Reborn could have killed Sera himself, why?
What changed on Reborn for you?
I don't think that Nat might be the SK.
Because last phase Sera said that if Gambit flips town then he wants Nat or Reborn out. So, if we say that Nat is indeed the SK then why would she kill Sera?
Sera told us multiple times that he wanted the two out.
The SK probably wanted to set up Nat like that.
Because last phase Sera said that if Gambit flips town then he wants Nat or Reborn out. So, if we say that Nat is indeed the SK then why would she kill Sera?
Sera told us multiple times that he wanted the two out.
The SK probably wanted to set up Nat like that.
@Yo Tan Wa
If you believe that Nat can possible have a result on me you should vote for her instead of me if you want to clarify that, simply in that if I flip town she will not be necessarily accused to have feigned to be tracker since she hasn't hinted it strongly
But if Nat flips town and tracker I'm 100% confirmed scum
I know what my alignment is that's why I'm not afraid of lynching her as I said
I would have gained nothing from voting her back if I thought she had a result on me
If you believe that Nat can possible have a result on me you should vote for her instead of me if you want to clarify that, simply in that if I flip town she will not be necessarily accused to have feigned to be tracker since she hasn't hinted it strongly
But if Nat flips town and tracker I'm 100% confirmed scum
I know what my alignment is that's why I'm not afraid of lynching her as I said
I would have gained nothing from voting her back if I thought she had a result on me
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