It's possible all Shanks has is Swordsmanship. Maybe all Benn has is Marksmanship and he loses to Yassop, or maybe it's more nuanced than that and there are other factors here that make Shanks and Benn stronger overall fighters than Mihawk and Yassop respectively while being inferior to them in their martial art. It's not obvious or clear, that's all I'm saying.
Powers & Abilities Shanks Has A Mythical Power In His Sword Too
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It's obviously possible for Yasopp to be a more skilled marksman than Ben, while Ben still is the stronger marksman. Kuina was more skilled than Zoro, yet she admitted that simply due to her physical strength falling behind as a woman, she wouldn't be able to outperform a male swordsman at his physical peak.
And that's the point. Zoro's goal isn't to have the highest score displaying forms in front of a jury, but to be the greatest and strongest swordsman. That's why he is lifting weights and training Haki. His techniques are partially the same since east blue.
And that's the point. Zoro's goal isn't to have the highest score displaying forms in front of a jury, but to be the greatest and strongest swordsman. That's why he is lifting weights and training Haki. His techniques are partially the same since east blue.
- Deskainu :
1/ He couldn't get past an already weakened Marco while being blood lusted :
2/ He used his signature attack, "Meigo," but failed to stop a 1HP severely injured, brain-dead, and tortured Kuma.
Afterward, 1 HP Kuma still had the strength to defeat New Pacifistas and Vice Admirals, land a punch on Saturn, and save Bonney from an attack using his back, this is how much Meigo affected him with literally nothing lmao :
3/ Sabo speed blitzed him and saved both Luffy and Ace while he was attacking Luffy :
https://x.com/pewpiece/status/1721405846825886027
4/ He couldn't hit Buggy who was overweight :
5/ He got sonned when Shanks came to Marine Ford :
Dude literally went from this
To this
When Shanks came, so NO lol
No wonder dude had to use Squardo to hope for internal betrayal before attempting any confrontation with Whitebeard
No wonder he had an equal 10 days fight with Kuzan later on, ending up scarred all over the body and barely winning despite magma devil fruit when regular fire can cancel out Kuzan's fruit
6/ Deskainu was treated as nonexistent and his presence was completely disregarded when Shanks was near him casually picking up the Straw Hat while leaving himself open and exuding confidence.
- Pizzalu :
1/ He got humiliated in a clash against Marco :
2/ He needed Marco to be distracted and in 2 v 1 with the help of a Vice Admiral to weaken him so he could affect his HP after the 1st humiliation :
3/ He couldn't get past an old man who was rusty and hadn't wielded a sword for decades and what's funny is Pizzalu started panting mid-clash:
4/ Pizzalu couldn't get past Gear 5th nor speed blitzing it and neither giving moderate damage which Kaido did for fun :
5/ His only damage against Gear 5th was giving a paper cut damage while using an army of clowns that got negdiffed:
6/ Franky, Sanji, Bonney, and Sentomaru suffered nothing from his attacks :
- Midkiji :
1/ He couldn't handle a human form Jozu without a distraction :
2/ He disappeared after a single open-handed attack from old Garp, who had been fighting hundreds of fodder soldiers and Teach’s officers. He only reappeared when Garp decided to leave.
3/ He couldn’t handle an old Garp who had significantly lost his strength due to age, even with thousands of fodder soldiers and Teach’s officers helping him. This only conveyed a sense of desperation on Blackbeard’s side.
No one believed in his strength lmao.
4/ He was speed-blitzed by an already weakened old Garp, who, with a hakiless and nameless throw, treated him as an afterthought to save Coby—and succeeded :
5/ He acknowledged being a weak ass without the help he received in Hachinosu against Garp by stating that they barely won with a team effort :
6/ He got stopped by Ace's flame attack easily :
- Fraudtora :
1/ A YC-level Zoro managed to send a slash from his weakest sword, even under his own gravity, to overpower Fraudtora's Devil Fruit power. Fraudtora was left shivering, pushed back, and kneeling, with his soldiers screaming his name :
2/ He failed to beat a Dressrosa Gear 2sd,3rd Luffy while stating that he was using his utmost :
3/ He couldn't do shit to 2 swords Zoro :
- Fraud Bull :
1/ He got sonned from miles away by Shanks's CoC and chose to retreat while he was shivering and crying :
モモの助や侍達を追い詰めるもシャンクスの覇気により退散
"Although he cornered Momonosuke and his comrades, he retreated due to Shanks's Haki."
2/ He didn't want Kaido's smoke and only came after he got beaten :
3/ He struggled against a YC 7 Morley :
1/ He couldn't get past an already weakened Marco while being blood lusted :
2/ He used his signature attack, "Meigo," but failed to stop a 1HP severely injured, brain-dead, and tortured Kuma.
Afterward, 1 HP Kuma still had the strength to defeat New Pacifistas and Vice Admirals, land a punch on Saturn, and save Bonney from an attack using his back, this is how much Meigo affected him with literally nothing lmao :
3/ Sabo speed blitzed him and saved both Luffy and Ace while he was attacking Luffy :
https://x.com/pewpiece/status/1721405846825886027
4/ He couldn't hit Buggy who was overweight :
5/ He got sonned when Shanks came to Marine Ford :
Dude literally went from this
To this
When Shanks came, so NO lol
No wonder dude had to use Squardo to hope for internal betrayal before attempting any confrontation with Whitebeard
No wonder he had an equal 10 days fight with Kuzan later on, ending up scarred all over the body and barely winning despite magma devil fruit when regular fire can cancel out Kuzan's fruit
6/ Deskainu was treated as nonexistent and his presence was completely disregarded when Shanks was near him casually picking up the Straw Hat while leaving himself open and exuding confidence.
- Pizzalu :
1/ He got humiliated in a clash against Marco :
2/ He needed Marco to be distracted and in 2 v 1 with the help of a Vice Admiral to weaken him so he could affect his HP after the 1st humiliation :
3/ He couldn't get past an old man who was rusty and hadn't wielded a sword for decades and what's funny is Pizzalu started panting mid-clash:
4/ Pizzalu couldn't get past Gear 5th nor speed blitzing it and neither giving moderate damage which Kaido did for fun :
5/ His only damage against Gear 5th was giving a paper cut damage while using an army of clowns that got negdiffed:
6/ Franky, Sanji, Bonney, and Sentomaru suffered nothing from his attacks :
1/ He couldn't handle a human form Jozu without a distraction :
2/ He disappeared after a single open-handed attack from old Garp, who had been fighting hundreds of fodder soldiers and Teach’s officers. He only reappeared when Garp decided to leave.
3/ He couldn’t handle an old Garp who had significantly lost his strength due to age, even with thousands of fodder soldiers and Teach’s officers helping him. This only conveyed a sense of desperation on Blackbeard’s side.
No one believed in his strength lmao.
4/ He was speed-blitzed by an already weakened old Garp, who, with a hakiless and nameless throw, treated him as an afterthought to save Coby—and succeeded :
5/ He acknowledged being a weak ass without the help he received in Hachinosu against Garp by stating that they barely won with a team effort :
6/ He got stopped by Ace's flame attack easily :
- Fraudtora :
1/ A YC-level Zoro managed to send a slash from his weakest sword, even under his own gravity, to overpower Fraudtora's Devil Fruit power. Fraudtora was left shivering, pushed back, and kneeling, with his soldiers screaming his name :
2/ He failed to beat a Dressrosa Gear 2sd,3rd Luffy while stating that he was using his utmost :
3/ He couldn't do shit to 2 swords Zoro :
- Fraud Bull :
1/ He got sonned from miles away by Shanks's CoC and chose to retreat while he was shivering and crying :
モモの助や侍達を追い詰めるもシャンクスの覇気により退散
"Although he cornered Momonosuke and his comrades, he retreated due to Shanks's Haki."
2/ He didn't want Kaido's smoke and only came after he got beaten :
3/ He struggled against a YC 7 Morley :
- Deskainu :
1/ He couldn't get past an already weakened Marco while being blood lusted :
2/ He used his signature attack, "Meigo," but failed to stop a 1HP severely injured, brain-dead, and tortured Kuma.
Afterward, 1 HP Kuma still had the strength to defeat New Pacifistas and Vice Admirals, land a punch on Saturn, and save Bonney from an attack using his back, this is how much Meigo affected him with literally nothing lmao :
3/ Sabo speed blitzed him and saved both Luffy and Ace while he was attacking Luffy :
https://x.com/pewpiece/status/1721405846825886027
4/ He couldn't hit Buggy who was overweight :
5/ He got sonned when Shanks came to Marine Ford :
Dude literally went from this
To this
When Shanks came, so NO lol
No wonder dude had to use Squardo to hope for internal betrayal before attempting any confrontation with Whitebeard
No wonder he had an equal 10 days fight with Kuzan later on, ending up scarred all over the body and barely winning despite magma devil fruit when regular fire can cancel out Kuzan's fruit
6/ Deskainu was treated as nonexistent and his presence was completely disregarded when Shanks was near him casually picking up the Straw Hat while leaving himself open and exuding confidence.
- Pizzalu :
1/ He got humiliated in a clash against Marco :
2/ He needed Marco to be distracted and in 2 v 1 with the help of a Vice Admiral to weaken him so he could affect his HP after the 1st humiliation :
3/ He couldn't get past an old man who was rusty and hadn't wielded a sword for decades and what's funny is Pizzalu started panting mid-clash:
4/ Pizzalu couldn't get past Gear 5th nor speed blitzing it and neither giving moderate damage which Kaido did for fun :
5/ His only damage against Gear 5th was giving a paper cut damage while using an army of clowns that got negdiffed:
6/ Franky, Sanji, Bonney, and Sentomaru suffered nothing from his attacks :
- Midkiji :
1/ He couldn't handle a human form Jozu without a distraction :
2/ He disappeared after a single open-handed attack from old Garp, who had been fighting hundreds of fodder soldiers and Teach’s officers. He only reappeared when Garp decided to leave.
3/ He couldn’t handle an old Garp who had significantly lost his strength due to age, even with thousands of fodder soldiers and Teach’s officers helping him. This only conveyed a sense of desperation on Blackbeard’s side.
No one believed in his strength lmao.
4/ He was speed-blitzed by an already weakened old Garp, who, with a hakiless and nameless throw, treated him as an afterthought to save Coby—and succeeded :
5/ He acknowledged being a weak ass without the help he received in Hachinosu against Garp by stating that they barely won with a team effort :
6/ He got stopped by Ace's flame attack easily :
- Fraudtora :
1/ A YC-level Zoro managed to send a slash from his weakest sword, even under his own gravity, to overpower Fraudtora's Devil Fruit power. Fraudtora was left shivering, pushed back, and kneeling, with his soldiers screaming his name :
2/ He failed to beat a Dressrosa Gear 2sd,3rd Luffy while stating that he was using his utmost :
3/ He couldn't do shit to 2 swords Zoro :
- Fraud Bull :
1/ He got sonned from miles away by Shanks's CoC and chose to retreat while he was shivering and crying :
モモの助や侍達を追い詰めるもシャンクスの覇気により退散
"Although he cornered Momonosuke and his comrades, he retreated due to Shanks's Haki."
2/ He didn't want Kaido's smoke and only came after he got beaten :
3/ He struggled against a YC 7 Morley :
1/ He couldn't get past an already weakened Marco while being blood lusted :
2/ He used his signature attack, "Meigo," but failed to stop a 1HP severely injured, brain-dead, and tortured Kuma.
Afterward, 1 HP Kuma still had the strength to defeat New Pacifistas and Vice Admirals, land a punch on Saturn, and save Bonney from an attack using his back, this is how much Meigo affected him with literally nothing lmao :
3/ Sabo speed blitzed him and saved both Luffy and Ace while he was attacking Luffy :
https://x.com/pewpiece/status/1721405846825886027
4/ He couldn't hit Buggy who was overweight :
5/ He got sonned when Shanks came to Marine Ford :
Dude literally went from this
To this
When Shanks came, so NO lol
No wonder dude had to use Squardo to hope for internal betrayal before attempting any confrontation with Whitebeard
No wonder he had an equal 10 days fight with Kuzan later on, ending up scarred all over the body and barely winning despite magma devil fruit when regular fire can cancel out Kuzan's fruit
6/ Deskainu was treated as nonexistent and his presence was completely disregarded when Shanks was near him casually picking up the Straw Hat while leaving himself open and exuding confidence.
- Pizzalu :
1/ He got humiliated in a clash against Marco :
2/ He needed Marco to be distracted and in 2 v 1 with the help of a Vice Admiral to weaken him so he could affect his HP after the 1st humiliation :
3/ He couldn't get past an old man who was rusty and hadn't wielded a sword for decades and what's funny is Pizzalu started panting mid-clash:
4/ Pizzalu couldn't get past Gear 5th nor speed blitzing it and neither giving moderate damage which Kaido did for fun :
5/ His only damage against Gear 5th was giving a paper cut damage while using an army of clowns that got negdiffed:
6/ Franky, Sanji, Bonney, and Sentomaru suffered nothing from his attacks :
1/ He couldn't handle a human form Jozu without a distraction :
2/ He disappeared after a single open-handed attack from old Garp, who had been fighting hundreds of fodder soldiers and Teach’s officers. He only reappeared when Garp decided to leave.
3/ He couldn’t handle an old Garp who had significantly lost his strength due to age, even with thousands of fodder soldiers and Teach’s officers helping him. This only conveyed a sense of desperation on Blackbeard’s side.
No one believed in his strength lmao.
4/ He was speed-blitzed by an already weakened old Garp, who, with a hakiless and nameless throw, treated him as an afterthought to save Coby—and succeeded :
5/ He acknowledged being a weak ass without the help he received in Hachinosu against Garp by stating that they barely won with a team effort :
6/ He got stopped by Ace's flame attack easily :
- Fraudtora :
1/ A YC-level Zoro managed to send a slash from his weakest sword, even under his own gravity, to overpower Fraudtora's Devil Fruit power. Fraudtora was left shivering, pushed back, and kneeling, with his soldiers screaming his name :
2/ He failed to beat a Dressrosa Gear 2sd,3rd Luffy while stating that he was using his utmost :
3/ He couldn't do shit to 2 swords Zoro :
- Fraud Bull :
1/ He got sonned from miles away by Shanks's CoC and chose to retreat while he was shivering and crying :
モモの助や侍達を追い詰めるもシャンクスの覇気により退散
"Although he cornered Momonosuke and his comrades, he retreated due to Shanks's Haki."
2/ He didn't want Kaido's smoke and only came after he got beaten :
3/ He struggled against a YC 7 Morley :
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If a sword transforms into a dragon and eats Mihawk alive, no, he wasn't bested through swordsmanship.
Why wouldn't haki be involved in Marksmanship?. It is and Benn is the inferior marksman, unless you believe Yassop just wouldn't use any haki at all to improve his marksmanship, which makes no sense. The sniper of the crew is not an inferior sniper to anyone else on the crew.
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Why wouldn't haki be involved in Marksmanship?. It is and Benn is the inferior marksman, unless you believe Yassop just wouldn't use any haki at all to improve his marksmanship, which makes no sense. The sniper of the crew is not an inferior sniper to anyone else on the crew.
Oda thinks otherwise ,he actually thinks its insanely cool
gonna make a hybrid
@comrade wonder if its gonna be like a claw the hybrid
Like 3 swords in 1
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gonna make a hybrid
Like 3 swords in 1
Yes he has a fruit in his sword. No he still isn't above Mihawk.
A swordsman will never be above the WSS unless that swordsman died before Mihawk got his title (like Roger and Ryuma), because then they don't fall under the jurisdiction of his title, and can be stronger than him without anything being contradicted.
It's not that hard to understand this, folks.
A swordsman will never be above the WSS unless that swordsman died before Mihawk got his title (like Roger and Ryuma), because then they don't fall under the jurisdiction of his title, and can be stronger than him without anything being contradicted.
It's not that hard to understand this, folks.
The whitebeard murakumogiri has the nickname of cloud cutter, it is even derived from the name of the legendary Japanese sword popularly known as " Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi" (草薙の剣? , lit. "grass cutting sword" ), although it was originally called "Ame-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi" (天叢雲剣? , lit. "heavenly sword that gathers clouds")
It's literally a sword but with the long handle, it's like you say that Helmeppo doesn't use swords because he uses a "kukri" which is a type of knife with a distinct curvature on its blade
Or to say that Killer also doesn't use swords because he uses a kind of gaunts that looks like a scythe.
By the way, if you are going to compare WB's sword with Helmeppo's and Killer's swords, WB's weapon looks much more like a sword than the other two
But you are shamelessly inventing criteria to justify the fact that WB is not a swordsman, because clearly Mihawk's title would be a fraud.
The power of earthquake in WB's naginata, the power of shock whille in Law's sword, the power of Fujitora's gravitational control, King's power to control a burning dragon, or Shanks and Roger's power of CoC explosions, has nothing to do with sword skills that fit the swordsman's criteria, which would be cutting attacks.
That's why I include Kinemon, Brook, ghandi gorosei or Vista as swordsmen
, because despite using other elements such as ice, fire, petals and etc., they still use sword skills, that is, cutting attacks as their primary source of fight and power. Any other character who escapes from this fighting style is no longer fitting into the criteria of which Mihawk seeks to overcome everything and everyone.
Zoro faces opponents who have reportedly said they are not swordsmen, such as Daz Bones, King and Kaku precisely because they are opponents that Zoro needs to overcome to make Luffy king of pirates. You can be sure that if Zoro carried his solo career, he would never go after King, Bones or Kaku. He would go after famous figures who dominate swordsmen and use sword attacks as a primary means of fighting, this is the point I want to bring
When you will poetically interpret how Oda treats swordsmen in one piece, any seriously honest person would understand the characters who treat sword skills as the first source of his fighting style, this is very simple, you don't need to do all this nonsense of damage control and mental gymnastics to include the characters who are clearly not portrayed as one and start seeing reality
It's literally a sword but with the long handle, it's like you say that Helmeppo doesn't use swords because he uses a "kukri" which is a type of knife with a distinct curvature on its blade
Or to say that Killer also doesn't use swords because he uses a kind of gaunts that looks like a scythe.
By the way, if you are going to compare WB's sword with Helmeppo's and Killer's swords, WB's weapon looks much more like a sword than the other two
But you are shamelessly inventing criteria to justify the fact that WB is not a swordsman, because clearly Mihawk's title would be a fraud.
The power of earthquake in WB's naginata, the power of shock whille in Law's sword, the power of Fujitora's gravitational control, King's power to control a burning dragon, or Shanks and Roger's power of CoC explosions, has nothing to do with sword skills that fit the swordsman's criteria, which would be cutting attacks.
That's why I include Kinemon, Brook, ghandi gorosei or Vista as swordsmen
, because despite using other elements such as ice, fire, petals and etc., they still use sword skills, that is, cutting attacks as their primary source of fight and power. Any other character who escapes from this fighting style is no longer fitting into the criteria of which Mihawk seeks to overcome everything and everyone.
Zoro faces opponents who have reportedly said they are not swordsmen, such as Daz Bones, King and Kaku precisely because they are opponents that Zoro needs to overcome to make Luffy king of pirates. You can be sure that if Zoro carried his solo career, he would never go after King, Bones or Kaku. He would go after famous figures who dominate swordsmen and use sword attacks as a primary means of fighting, this is the point I want to bring
When you will poetically interpret how Oda treats swordsmen in one piece, any seriously honest person would understand the characters who treat sword skills as the first source of his fighting style, this is very simple, you don't need to do all this nonsense of damage control and mental gymnastics to include the characters who are clearly not portrayed as one and start seeing reality
I am not. Naming conventions aside, like Whitebeard's Naginata being called cloud cutter, it's not a sword. That's why Zoro wants to be the strongest swordsman and not the strongest cutting weapon user. His dream doesn't encompass users of polearms, axes or scythes. Because even though they are cutting devices, they come with a different fighting style.
Kaku didn't say he isn't a swordsman. He said he is the CP9's best swordsman.
And why would Zoro after wasting King still remember Mihawk and his promise to never lose a fight until he meets Mihawk again and defeats him? If anything it proves that Zoro actually extended his premise to not just fight and win against pure swordsmanship Merchants, but to conquer any obstacle, yet still seeing Mihawk as the pinnacle standing in front of Zoro's dream to be the strongest.
Kaku didn't say he isn't a swordsman. He said he is the CP9's best swordsman.
And why would Zoro after wasting King still remember Mihawk and his promise to never lose a fight until he meets Mihawk again and defeats him? If anything it proves that Zoro actually extended his premise to not just fight and win against pure swordsmanship Merchants, but to conquer any obstacle, yet still seeing Mihawk as the pinnacle standing in front of Zoro's dream to be the strongest.
