Speculations Technically, Both Admiral And Sword Fans Should Be Excited If It’s Gaban

[kyejames316]

All BB commanders except maybe Shiryu (who Kuzan didn’t neg) are getting no diff’d by Snakeman.

I’m pretty sure Egghead Snakeman might defeat Old WB unironically so I might even give Kizaru better feats than Sakazuki at present.

The man with the Strength fruit is not getting beaten in a punching contest by anyone.

 

[kekaro]

Akainu bros, our response??

King carpet bombs totoland aaah type answer

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

People forget how powerful Snakeman is, Luffy wasn’t even using ACOC

 

[kyejames316]

Akainu bros, our response??

Not saying he is stronger or a better fighter. Kizaru’s power is broken. He could vanish and not a single person in the verse could follow him.

 

[Wizak08]

Who are we kidding Kizaru’s Egghead feats are WAY better than Kuzan’s.

Kuzan showed superior striking strength but that’s it, hell you could even make a pure feats case that Kuzan would get blitzed

I wouldn't say way better, he had a good feat against Snakeman but the pizza diff and WSG push it down a bit, I'm not using it much to scale because neither Luffy or Kizaru went all out. He still performed better than Kuzan did against Garp, no doubt.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I wouldn't say way better, he had a good feat against Snakeman but the pizza diff and WSG push it down a bit, I'm not using it much to scale because neither Luffy or Kizaru went all out. He still performed better than Kuzan did against Garp, no doubt.

Snakeman is literally in the low top tier range on its own.

Overwhelming Snakeman is a way crazier feat than people realize.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Who are we kidding Kizaru’s Egghead feats are WAY better than Kuzan’s.

Kuzan showed superior striking strength but that’s it, hell you could even make a pure feats case that Kuzan would get blitzed

I'd say the main difference is that a properly focused and all out Kizaru going at it with the strongest top tiers isn't crazy even if he doesn't show awakening, he has all the arsenal to be a threat to anybody.
While Kuzan needs awakening or at least a superior level to his fruit than what we saw if he wants to be able to fight the Kaido & co properly.
Oda did him so dirty with the "it's not working" against Garp ngl.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I'd say the main difference is that a properly focused and all out Kizaru going at it with the strongest top tiers isn't crazy even if he doesn't show awakening, he has all the arsenal to be a threat to anybody.
While Kuzan needs awakening or at least a superior level to his fruit than what we saw if he wants to be able to fight the Kaido & co properly.
Oda did him so dirty with the "it's not working" against Garp ngl.

Kaido couldn’t even fucking see Snakeman’s attacks without future sight.

Reread the sections of the rooftop battle where it’s Kaido vs Snakeman, even in the instances where there’s no ACOC being used Kaido is still completely helpless until he uses FS.

The fact that Kizaru mogged Snakeman instantly scales him to Kaido and maybe even above him w/o FS on it’s own.

It’s hard to give any admiral feats over Kizaru right now.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Kaido couldn’t even fucking see Snakeman’s attacks without future sight.

Reread the sections of the rooftop battle where it’s Kaido vs Snakeman, even in the instances where there’s no ACOC being used Kaido is still completely helpless until he uses FS.

The fact that Kizaru mogged Snakeman instantly scales him to Kaido and maybe even above him w/o FS on it’s own.

It’s hard to give any admiral feats over Kizaru right now.

You can straight up argue just with on panel feats and a>b>c logic that Kaido wouldn’t be able to hang with Kizaru without future sight.

What feat do Kuzan and Sakazuki have that’s nearly as impressive @Sir Yasheen ?

By speed feats Kuzan is just going to get blitzed

 

[MarineHQ]

I think in general this fandom ain't willing to accept that Kizaru looked as good if not better against the Dark King (who had yonko Blackbeard twerk) than Kaido did against Yamato after spreading for over a decade the propaganda that this confrontation was somehow of an anti-feat.

Yamato vs Kaido will go down as one of the most humiliating Top Tier showings in the series.

Kaido was literally locked in and couldn't put down Yamato.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Kaido couldn’t even fucking see Snakeman’s attacks without future sight.

Reread the sections of the rooftop battle where it’s Kaido vs Snakeman, even in the instances where there’s no ACOC being used Kaido is still completely helpless until he uses FS.

The fact that Kizaru mogged Snakeman instantly scales him to Kaido and maybe even above him w/o FS on it’s own.

It’s hard to give any admiral feats over Kizaru right now.

I genuinely believe the reason why Oda didn't have Luffy use aCOC (or at least not clearly) in that scene is because it would have broken the One Piece powerscaling otherwise lol. Even if realistically it shouldn't change the issue considering how Kizaru dodged his point blank punch by perception blitzing Luffy (Luffy was still looking at the wrong direction when Kizaru was kilometers away) and then sent him flying with that orbital kick.
Curious to see how the anime will animate that scene.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

All BB commanders except maybe Shiryu (who Kuzan didn’t neg) are getting no diff’d by Snakeman.

I’m pretty sure Egghead Snakeman might defeat Old WB unironically so I might even give Kizaru better feats than Sakazuki at present.

No way Snakeman neg diffs

You can straight up argue just with on panel feats and a>b>c logic that Kaido wouldn’t be able to hand with Kizaru without future sight.

What feat do Kuzan and Sakazuki have that’s nearly as impressive @Sir Yasheen ?

By speed feats Kuzan is just going to get blitzed

I’m taking the people able to flash freeze or flash burn an island, there’s no counter to that aoe instant power.

 

[Shiroyru]

Also Old Ray literally ran away.

Kizaru ran from Goofy

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

No way Snakeman neg diffs

I’m taking the people able to flash freeze or flash burn an island, there’s no counter to that aoe instant power.

What BB commander can force Kaido to use FS just to keep up?

There’s no way Snakeman isn’t dogging all of them, I only give Shiryu the nod because I think he’ll show more

 

[Roo]

Yamato vs Kaido will go down as one of the most humiliating Top Tier showings in the series.

Kaido was literally locked in and couldn't put down Yamato.

Ngl that was worse than Vista vs Mihawk

What was Oda cooking

 

[Shiroyru]

Kizaru’s feat against Snakeman is better than anything Kuzan has shown on panel.

I don’t see post Wano Snakeman losing to Big Mom/Kaido as easily as it did to Kizaru.

Snakeman was never KOed though

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Snakeman was never KOed though

Doesn’t matter, just reacting to and overwhelming it casually is enough.

Snakeman was overwhelming non-FS Hybrid Kaido. I don’t have to say more.

 

[MarineHQ]

Ngl that was worse than Vista vs Mihawk

What was Oda cooking

Kaido fans straight up lie about it.

The man stated several times he ain't joking. He was in his hybrid using aCoC. She managed to block his attacks, dish out similar AP and same movement speed with TB.

Crazy how overlooked this is and then Base Luffy who literally cannot compete with Kizaru went on to push him all the way into drunken mode.

 

[Fujishiro]

Yonko fans better pray Gaban doesn’t humiliate Luffy and/or Shamrock. Best case scenario this guy is equal to Rayleigh and Rayleigh already humiliated Blackbeard. Yonko fans better hope that shit was an outlier else Kizaru is going to look like an absolute chad.

Rayleigh admitted he was weaker then Blackbeard though. Kind of took away from his “humiliation”.

Yamato vs Kaido will go down as one of the most humiliating Top Tier showings in the series.

Kaido was literally locked in and couldn't put down Yamato.

Yamato is a top tier though. Shes very strong idk why people like to put her down.

 

[MarineHQ]

Yamato is a top tier though.

Wut ?
Like you mean Old Legend or Admiral level or ?