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Every feat, every debuff, and every handicap sanji has had throughout Post TS should be reevaluated.

Sanji vs Doffy

Sanji vs Vergo

Should be reanalysed by using the lense of the latest chapter..

Sanji's handicap in PH should be heavily emphasized, and he should be considered relativistic to Zoro coming into each Arc.

This chapter has proven that Sanji never gets oppetunities to flex his caliber enough.
 
Every feat, every debuff, and every handicap sanji has had throughout Post TS should be reevaluated.

Sanji vs Doffy

Sanji vs Vergo

Should be reanalysed by using the lense of the latest chapter..

Sanji's handicap in PH should be heavily emphasized, and he should be considered relativistic to Zoro coming into each Arc.

This chapter has proven that Sanji never gets oppetunities to flex his caliber enough.
OP fans micro analyze too much and get lost in the sauce. This stuff was obvious to rationale readers
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Every feat, every debuff, and every handicap sanji has had throughout Post TS should be reevaluated.

Sanji vs Doffy

Sanji vs Vergo

Should be reanalysed by using the lense of the latest chapter..

Sanji's handicap in PH should be heavily emphasized, and he should be considered relativistic to Zoro coming into each Arc.

This chapter has proven that Sanji never gets oppetunities to flex his caliber enough.
Why though?

Chapter doesn't say Sanji is on par with Luffy and zoro

It says Gaban is on par with Roger and Ray which implies Sanji EoS ceiling might parallel Gaban.

As of now, feats and portrayal wise Luffy>Zoro > Sanji is vividly clear
 
OP fans micro analyze too much and get lost in the sauce. This stuff was obvious to rationale readers
Yes it was written in between the lines if not completely obvious until this revelation

Think about it

Zoro has been compared to Rayleigh because Rayleigh was introduced and as the righty hand of the PK that became Zoro's ceiling, while luffy's ceilingywas always whatever Roger's caliber was, all of this with the understanding that they will surpass this ceiling.


Never has that been the case until now with Snaji, he never had such a ceiling what so ever. To people he's been in a unique place where in Pre TS he was part of the Monster trio but then oda started recruiting people like Jinbe. Even in WCI when luffy declared that he can't be PK without Sanji, everyone who did not think much of Sanji except for a cook and a half decent fighter who has been getting rag dolled and has seemingly been struggling in Post TS with barely any comparable feats to Luffy or Zoro lt any instance of him showing off his caliber, to them that statement from luffy could be applied to any straw hat. But this changes everything now that he has a ceiling.. It brings back alot of the PRE TS principles.

- Monster Trio is maintained

- Straw hats grow in every fights each arc

Etc.

For us we saw this coming a mike away, even if Scopper wa never introduced there were ample clues to Sanji's potential, but to readers they care less about narrative portrayal and more about feat. Now that Gabban has been introduced, every arc Sanji has been active..should be reanalysed.

Statement from Doffy about his attack prowess being not merely sarcastic

Him being physically weak during PH yet whopping around Vergo even after a broken leg.

His speed feat against Oven.

His feats against both King and Queen with his wonky body and his exhaustion due to it.


Everything should now be viewed in the light of someone who's fighting YC commanders or whoever has the ceiling of someone who rivaled PK's right hand.

Sanji, even though had statements of his worth and moments here and there solidifying his status, yet lacked any oppetunity to show off given to him by oda oike he does with Zoro and Luffy.
 
Yes it was written in between the lines if not completely obvious until this revelation

Think about it

Zoro has been compared to Rayleigh because Rayleigh was introduced and as the righty hand of the PK that became Zoro's ceiling, while luffy's ceilingywas always whatever Roger's caliber was, all of this with the understanding that they will surpass this ceiling.


Never has that been the case until now with Snaji, he never had such a ceiling what so ever. To people he's been in a unique place where in Pre TS he was part of the Monster trio but then oda started recruiting people like Jinbe. Even in WCI when luffy declared that he can't be PK without Sanji, everyone who did not think much of Sanji except for a cook and a half decent fighter who has been getting rag dolled and has seemingly been struggling in Post TS with barely any comparable feats to Luffy or Zoro lt any instance of him showing off his caliber, to them that statement from luffy could be applied to any straw hat. But this changes everything now that he has a ceiling.. It brings back alot of the PRE TS principles.

- Monster Trio is maintained

- Straw hats grow in every fights each arc

Etc.

For us we saw this coming a mike away, even if Scopper wa never introduced there were ample clues to Sanji's potential, but to readers they care less about narrative portrayal and more about feat. Now that Gabban has been introduced, every arc Sanji has been active..should be reanalysed.

Statement from Doffy about his attack prowess being not merely sarcastic

Him being physically weak during PH yet whopping around Vergo even after a broken leg.

His speed feat against Oven.

His feats against both King and Queen with his wonky body and his exhaustion due to it.


Everything should now be viewed in the light of someone who's fighting YC commanders or whoever has the ceiling of someone who rivaled PK's right hand.

Sanji, even though had statements of his worth and moments here and there solidifying his status, yet lacked any oppetunity to show off given to him by oda oike he does with Zoro and Luffy.
The only people who need to re-analyze are the people who decontextualized these moments to push an agenda. His ceiling has always been established and it's right up there with Zoro, whether equal or slightly under, it's been there. It's nice to see Gaban, to see the similarities between the Roger pirates and Straw hats, but this chapter does not establish anything that objective readers didn't already know. Because ultimately Sanji is as restricted by Gaban as Zoro is to Ray or Luffy is to Roger. These are the main characters, who are destined for greater things, they are not bound by their Roger pirates equivalents. The point here is, if Gaban, who is ultimately someone inferior to Sanji, is this legendary and powerful, then imagine where Sanji will end up. The Roger pirates are being used as hype tools for the Straw hats, not as proof of their greatness, that's already been obvious.
 
Why though?

Chapter doesn't say Sanji is on par with Luffy and zoro

It says Gaban is on par with Roger and Ray which implies Sanji EoS ceiling might parallel Gaban.

As of now, feats and portrayal wise Luffy>Zoro > Sanji is vividly clear
This chapter is evidence to the fact that Luffy, Zoro and Sanji will consistently grow until they surpass their ceiling, how so? They All powered up in Wano with new powers and right after that this is revealed

Gear 4 Snake was always in Luffy's arsenal btw so that doesn't count as a PU in that sense of a new PU

From the beginning of Post TS they had no PU's or worthy opponents like they did in Pre TS until untik wano where their power Inflated ten folds TOGETHER.. (new sword, gene buff, Acoa, Acoc, New Fire, invisibility) if sanji was that weak to begin with Oda would have only had Sanji get significant buff to catch up to Zoro and Luffy just to establish a ceiling for the 3, and 2 arcs later establish that they would be relativistic in caliber ...or just Zoro and Sanji (however you wanna interpret), he wouldn't have Zoro and Luffy get significant buffs too if he just wanted Sanji to catch up, its is very reasonable to assume that Sanji was never that far off from Zoro and Luffy since TS. Again I'm not saying he's just as strong as Zoro now but if not relativistic then very close indeed since the TS, which is why Sanji's performance and feats and statements about him need evaluation.

Him now having a ceiling actually matters because that is a parallel that Oda is now drawing between Gabban and Sanji.

Its very reasonable to conclude that Sanji and Zoro as they stand are not that far off eachother, you could make that conclusion with Luffy amd Zoro too if you wanna interpret the statements that way, and entering the final war Zoro and Sanji should be relativistic Left and Right Arms of PK.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
This chapter is evidence to the fact that Luffy, Zoro and Sanji will consistently grow until they surpass their ceiling, how so? They All powered up in Wano with new powers and right after that this is revealed

Gear 4 Snake was always in Luffy's arsenal btw so that doesn't count as a PU in that sense of a new PU

From the beginning of Post TS they had no PU's or worthy opponents like they did in Pre TS until untik wano where their power Inflated ten folds TOGETHER.. (new sword, gene buff, Acoa, Acoc, New Fire, invisibility) if sanji was that weak to begin with Oda would have only had Sanji get significant buff to catch up to Zoro and Luffy just to establish a ceiling for the 3 2 arcs later that they would be relativistic in strength...or just Zoro and Sanji (however you wanna interpret), he wouldn't have Zoro and Luffy get significant buffs too if just wanted Sanji to catch up, its is very reasonable to assume that Sanji was never that far off from Zoro and Luffy since TS. Again I'm not saying he's just as strong as Zoro now but if not relativistic then very close indeed since the TS

Him now having a ceiling actually matters because that is a parallel that Oda is now drawing between Gabban and Sanji.

Its very reasonable to conclude that Sanji and Zoro as they stand are not that far off eachother, you could make that conclusion with Luffy amd Zoro too if you wanna interpret the statements that way, and entering the final war Zoro and Sanji should be relativistic Left and Right Arms of PK.
It's called Leeching.

You are leeching off to Gaban portrayal to apply it on current Sanji even when his current portrayal or feats aren't backing this.

And, no I won't apply this leeching on current Zoro just because Ray got portrayed on par with Roger.

It's their future ceilings and not at present or past scenarios
 
It's called Leeching.

You are leeching off to Gaban portrayal to apply it on current Sanji even when his current portrayal or feats aren't backing this.

And, no I won't apply this leeching on current Zoro just because Ray got portrayed on par with Roger.

It's their future ceilings and not at present or past scenarios
Ok let's say its leeching

How does that refute my statement?

This whole time yall have been using Roger and Ray to hype up Zoro and Luffy.. but now when someone uses Gabban and provides logical reasoning. Its leeching...


And btw no one in this verse bar Top tiers can do what sanji pulled against Kizaru..you never seen Kizaru like this

:kizawat:

The only people who need to re-analyze are the people who decontextualized these moments to push an agenda. His ceiling has always been established and it's right up there with Zoro, whether equal or slightly under, it's been there. It's nice to see Gaban, to see the similarities between the Roger pirates and Straw hats, but this chapter does not establish anything that objective readers didn't already know. Because ultimately Sanji is as restricted by Gaban as Zoro is to Ray or Luffy is to Roger. These are the main characters, who are destined for greater things, they are not bound by their Roger pirates equivalents. The point here is, if Gaban, who is ultimately someone inferior to Sanji, is this legendary and powerful, then imagine where Sanji will end up. The Roger pirates are being used as hype tools for the Straw hats, not as proof of their greatness, that's already been obvious.
Which is what I'm saying.. That those that doubted sanji should be reevaluating their stances.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Ok let's say its leeching

How does that refute my statement?

This whole time yall have been using Roger and Ray to hype up Zoro and Luffy.. but now when someone uses Gabban and provides logical reasoning. Its leeching...


And btw no one in this verse bar Top tiers can do what sanji pulled against Kizaru..you never seen Kizaru like this

:kizawat:


Which is what I'm saying.. That those that doubted sanji should be reevaluating their stances.
When did I leech off to Ray to hype Zoro? Lol


Zoro portrayal to be on top in future comes from much more concrete scenario - his dream to become WSS and thus he's bound to be above Mihawk in future.
 
When did I leech off to Ray to hype Zoro? Lol


Zoro portrayal to be on top in future comes from much more concrete scenario - his dream to become WSS and thus he's bound to be above Mihawk in future.
What so "leeching" about reevaluating where charcters stand with what is niw being established in the manga as opposed to establishing your stance of wonky power scaling variables.

The point is simple.. Sanji, Luffy, Zoro will always be near eachother if not equal or relative coming into each arc. Its nit leeching its using n established ceiling and rationalizing with hiw Oda has treated Zoro, Sanji, and Luffy in post time skip.
 
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