Questions & Mysteries When Did RPs (Poneglyphs) Become Significant?

#1
In the back and forth agenda fueled power scaling debates something caught my eye. Roger only went for the RPs after he had completed the Grand Line once already. I think in the Zou arc we learned that the compasses only lead to Lodestar and that is where the significance of RPs was revealed to Roger Pirates (I might be remembering wrong though). So this begs the question that if RPs were not important before Roger Pirates learned about it at Lodestar then how did BM come to know of it and had one in her keeping already?
Had there been other pirates who had finished the Grand Line before Roger Pirates and knew of the importance of RPs and BM learned from them?
Did BM learn about them from her time in Rocks Pirates?
Did Rocks know about them and he told others or BM secretly learn from him?
 

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#2
In the back and forth agenda fueled power scaling debates something caught my eye. Roger only went for the RPs after he had completed the Grand Line once already. I think in the Zou arc we learned that the compasses only lead to Lodestar and that is where the significance of RPs was revealed to Roger Pirates (I might be remembering wrong though). So this begs the question that if RPs were not important before Roger Pirates learned about it at Lodestar then how did BM come to know of it and had one in her keeping already?
Had there been other pirates who had finished the Grand Line before Roger Pirates and knew of the importance of RPs and BM learned from them?
Did BM learn about them from her time in Rocks Pirates?
Did Rocks know about them and he told others or BM secretly learn from him?
It probably comes from the Kozukis who were able to read and write those indestructible giant stones.
 
#5
In the back and forth agenda fueled power scaling debates something caught my eye. Roger only went for the RPs after he had completed the Grand Line once already. I think in the Zou arc we learned that the compasses only lead to Lodestar and that is where the significance of RPs was revealed to Roger Pirates (I might be remembering wrong though). So this begs the question that if RPs were not important before Roger Pirates learned about it at Lodestar then how did BM come to know of it and had one in her keeping already?
Had there been other pirates who had finished the Grand Line before Roger Pirates and knew of the importance of RPs and BM learned from them?
Did BM learn about them from her time in Rocks Pirates?
Did Rocks know about them and he told others or BM secretly learn from him?
When you look at it. CHARLOTTE was already miles ahead of everyone , she knew about RP and also third eye clan having the ability to read ponelgyphs.
Roger and luffy were just lucky having Oden and Robin.
 
#7
In the back and forth agenda fueled power scaling debates something caught my eye. Roger only went for the RPs after he had completed the Grand Line once already. I think in the Zou arc we learned that the compasses only lead to Lodestar and that is where the significance of RPs was revealed to Roger Pirates (I might be remembering wrong though). So this begs the question that if RPs were not important before Roger Pirates learned about it at Lodestar then how did BM come to know of it and had one in her keeping already?
Had there been other pirates who had finished the Grand Line before Roger Pirates and knew of the importance of RPs and BM learned from them?
Did BM learn about them from her time in Rocks Pirates?
Did Rocks know about them and he told others or BM secretly learn from him?
Some inaccuracies here.
Roger didn't complete the Grand Line, multiple times, he did it once. Lodestare was the start of it.
Completing the Grand Line includes going to Laughtale, that's pretty much what it means to be Pirate King.

What Roger did if you re-read chapter 820 iirc is... he first went to Lodestar which is the Island the Log Pose points to.
Roger was the first to reach Lodestar Island, and Lodestar is where people learn about the significance of Poneglyphs (including Road Ponegylphs), Wano, the final Island (Laughtale) and the Ancient Language.
On reaching Lodestar, Roger discovered he had to completely plan anew his journey.

Rocks was defeated 40 years ago. He's the reason Big Mom was acquainted with the Road Poneglyphs most likely.

Kaido on the other hand was an apprentice at the time, and he only became interested in Poneglyphs about 4-5 years ago. Reason we know this is because Oden went to Laughtale, and Kaido killed him.
After killing Oden, 20 years later the scabbards re-appeared and then he started trying to capture and interrogate the secrets of Laughatale. Thing is he had the scabbards and Oden 20 years ago, so what happened after 20 years where he decided to no longer kill the scabbards, but acquire information?
Ace went to Wano, and Kaido wasn't around. All we know is Kaido went on a huge voyage which suggests this voyage is where he went to Lodestar Island, understood the significance of Poneglyphs and then the Scabbards re-appearing is when he realised he'd benefit more from interrogating than killing.

Even Whitebeard didn't know much about Poneglyphs or their significance, Roger told him about it when he fought him and then bargained to borrow Oden.

Rocks probably after some time realised that the Government's obsession with banning interest in Poneglyph pretty much gave away the fact that it was an important relic that needed to be deciphered. Pretty much, the streisand effect. In an attempt to take away attention from something, it actually gives it more attention.

We're also told Roger was the only one to ever reach Laughtale in the past 800 years, and was the first to reach Lodestar. This is why Roger is the greatest pirate. He did what no other Pirate could do. Chapter 0 also mentions this about Roger.

Big Mom and Shiki were 2 Pirates from Rocks who we know for sure knew the Poneglyphs were important. Big Mom herself didn't seem to really know why, but she understood it was sought out for a good reason. Shiki knew it was related to Ancient Weapons as well.
The entire thing is no one knows why the Poneglyphs are really important, but literally the entire story is about Peonglyphs. They contain the history of the world, secrets of the world, access to knowledge even Vegapunk needs to build the energy device that can power the world for free. It's the answer to knowledge that will grant one power to take over the world.
It's not just historical knowledge that reveals the WG's dark past... bare in mind the WG is only in power because they've lied to the world. Finding the One Piece uncovers that which is only doable via Road Poneglyphs.

As we get closer to the end of the story, the importance of the Poenglyphs become more and more obvious. Even in chapter 846, Tamago actually tells us what the One Piece is. Road Poneglyphs lead to the "Real" (Japanese pronounce this as RIO) Poneglyphs. The collection of Poneglyphs that come together to reveal the true history of the world from history all the way to scientific advancement - One Piece. That's what all my reading of the story has led me towards anyway.
 
#8
Roger is the first person to reach Lodestar guys



Thats how RPs were discovered. After this point, it seems Big Mom/Kaido etc followed suit and obtained the other RPs the following 13 years. We dont really know how BM got hers. Kaido got lucky with Wano (or knew it was there) and Fishman Island/Zou are key races.

Its clear that the RPs were largely hidden with key races (Wano, FI, Zou) so in reality its just a question of how BM obtained hers and how the FI one was taken (maybe Scopper)

I dont think Rocks knew, but after Roger, BM/Kaido/WB, etc all came to learn of it. Then Blackbeard/Shanks among others learned their own way. No idea how Kid found out but he did.
 
#9
@Paperchampion23 @HPsyche thanks for the corrections. So let me get this straight:
1. Roger pirates are the first people to reach Lodestar in 800 years, no one else has reached it before (there is no evidence for anyone else to have done the same after Roger pirates either).
2. Roger pirates reached Lodestar 39 years ago, 1 year before the GV incident. They started collecting the RPs after reaching Lodestar.
3. 30 years ago, Roger learns of Oden joining WBPs. 26 years ago meets Oden and shows him the Poneglyph copy (most likely BMs). Then finds the remaining three (Wano, Zou, FI) in the last voyage with Oden.

So basically the leak of RPs came out when Roger pirates reached Lodestar and thirteen years later they were able to get only one RP which was in the possession of BM.
 
#11
I dont think Rocks knew, but after Roger, BM/Kaido/WB, etc all came to learn of it. Then Blackbeard/Shanks among others learned their own way. No idea how Kid found out but he did.
but meme already had one tho?

Roger had to be a coward and sneak and steal meme's RP to even get to Raftel. So meme somehow already knew it's importance and had secured one.


I think Lodestar is not the only place where you can learn the significance/importance of the Red pone. Some old civilizations, like the giants, would for sure know of it. Maybe some kozuki members as well. Rocks could have learnt it from such a clan, or he could even be from such a clan.
 
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#12
but meme already had one tho?

Roger had to be a coward and sneak and steal meme's RP to even get to Raftel. So meme somehow already knew it's importance and had secured one.


I think Lodestar is not the only place where you can learn the significance/importance of the Red pone. Some old civilizations, like the giants, for sure know of it. Maybe some kozuki members as well. Rocks could have learnt it from such a clan, or he could even be from such a clan.
I think the RPs leak happened at GV or maybe Rocks already knew about them since he knew about some taboo subjects already (IIRC). Until Roger pirates reached Lodestar there was no talk of RPs since they were never required because nobody knew of a final island. And until Roger pirates reached Laugh Tale there was no mention of OP.
 
#15
I mean...almost instantly? When it was revealed they are the key to pinpointing Laugh Tale, it should have been obvious that they are very important.
I was talking about timeline since I thought BM had another source and was already in the hunt but @Paperchampion23 @HPsyche corrected me.

RPs are revealed at reaching Lodestar, nobody had reached Lodestar in 800 years, hence the Roger pirates were the first ones in recent history to learn about RP existence and their importance.
 
#19
Yes, the weird thing though is how much Kaidos DF was seen as a treasure.
i think the dfs were just the prizes the CDs already had. Not the hachinosu treasure. That's something entirely different that we don't know.

If they were already in hachinosu before, why would the Rocks pirates wait until it got stolen? They could have just ate it when they had it.

We'll see.
 
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