Character Discussion Current Gen Parallels/Benchmarks/Similarities

#21
For kid I want him to surpass shiki and shanks, he really deserves to surpass shanks, especially after all the shit oda has made kid go through

Law should first surpass...yeah no he should just get molested by BBC the Blackbeard Captain
 
#26
Luffy:
Joyboy, Ryuma (?), Roger, Oden, Shanks

Zoro:
Ryuma, Rayleigh, Whitebeard (?), Oden, Ben Beckman, Mihawk

Coby:
Garp

Sanji:
Gaban, Ivankov

Yamato:
Oden (?), Kaido (?)

Blackbeard:
Rocks

Shanks/Mihawk/Ben Beckman:
Roger/Whitebeard/Rayleigh

Momonuske:
Oden

Franky:
Emeth



?
I suppose you meant Luffy?
For Momo I think Kaido and Ryuma might also be added since he will be the same protector like them keeping enemies at bay though the chance of this happening is low as it will be post Luffy beating WG and hence the overall threat level and the shape of WG might be different

If you have Shanks/Mihawk/Benn to Roger/WB/Ray then who would be the current gen equivalents?
 
#27
Luffy is everyone : oden, roger, wb, kaido, Bm,...

Zoro and WB have nothing in common
Nah. It's arguable that Kaido was Joyboy like in some ways, but WB and BM has nothing to do with Luffy.
But yes, Luffy has a lot of portrayals going for him.

There is no obvious comparison between Zoro and WB. But Mihawk is quite obviously the WB of mid gen, Shanks/Mihawk relationship is similar to Roger/WB. Now, whether that has anything to do with Zoro is dubious.

Whoever I put as question mark is a not obvious/debatable portrayal.
 
#29
For Momo I think Kaido and Ryuma might also be added since he will be the same protector like them keeping enemies at bay though the chance of this happening is low as it will be post Luffy beating WG and hence the overall threat level and the shape of WG might be different

If you have Shanks/Mihawk/Benn to Roger/WB/Ray then who would be the current gen equivalents?
Maybe for Momo. Quite questionable.

Don't know. Shanks/Mihawk/Ben being Roger/WB/Rayleigh is obvious.
But there is no clear WB portrayal in new gen. It's arguable that Zoro is both Mihawk and Benn, but Zoro will never have a relationship to Luffy that's similar to Mihawk with Shanks. Zoro is closer to Ben in dynamics or role obviously, but you could also argue that Luffy is the Roger/Shanks who recruited his WB/Mihawk.

Let's just say, there is no CLEAR Mihawk/WB in new gen
 
#32
People complain about the story being too Luffy centric yet want their favs to have all the parallels :Shadow_Unimpressed:
People are free to push the agenda for their favs, you guys do it for Law and Kid etc. Bring the parallels here.
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Maybe for Momo. Quite questionable.

Don't know. Shanks/Mihawk/Ben being Roger/WB/Rayleigh is obvious.
But there is no clear WB portrayal in new gen. It's arguable that Zoro is both Mihawk and Benn, but Zoro will never have a relationship to Luffy that's similar to Mihawk with Shanks. Zoro is closer to Ben in dynamics or role obviously, but you could also argue that Luffy is the Roger/Shanks who recruited his WB/Mihawk.

Let's just say, there is no CLEAR Mihawk/WB in new gen
And I made this point in the other thread and this hater @kekaro started crying there too
 
#33
People are free to push the agenda for their favs, you guys do it for Law and Kid etc. Bring the parallels here.
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And I made this point in the other thread and this hater @kekaro started crying there too
That's because you have a severe reading issue, like you said I'm hater because I don't downplay mihawk
I literally said the same as @grey matter
Infact this was one of the first posts I made on that topic to him
There is clearly no wb parallel in the new gen, and if there is whitebeard is such a iconic character oda will make it pretty clear by staying the title to that character on page
You can ask him if you don't believe me that's exactly what I said already yesterday
:willight:
 
#35
That's because you have a severe reading issue, like you said I'm hater because I don't downplay mihawk
I literally said the same as @grey matter
Infact this was one of the first posts I made on that topic to him
There is clearly no wb parallel in the new gen, and if there is whitebeard is such a iconic character oda will make it pretty clear by staying the title to that character on page
You can ask him if you don't believe me that's exactly what I said already yesterday
:willight:
What were you saying? Link the post
The parallel that I was making which you dont like seemingly is that Roger (the PK) had a rival in the form of WB (WSM). The mid gen Shanks (closest to PK) has a rival in the form of Mihawk (WSM). So it follows that Luffy (the future) will have a rival/equal in the form of Zoro (the future WSS). The point I was making was that previous gens Roger and Shanks had the rivals as their opponents but Luffy has his in the form of a subordinate.

The Roger/WB to Shanks/Mihawk is pretty damn clear to anyone and the Shanks/Mihawk to Luffy/Zoro is also pretty damn clear and the Roger to Shanks to Luffy is also pretty damn clear but the WB to Mihawk to Zoro somehow becomes a very big issue. Make no mistake nobody is dying to have Zoros ceiling be WB (Ryuma and Mihawk are above WB) but to deny this linkage is stupid.
 
#37
What were you saying? Link the post
The parallel that I was making which you dont like seemingly is that Roger (the PK) had a rival in the form of WB (WSM). The mid gen Shanks (closest to PK) has a rival in the form of Mihawk (WSM). So it follows that Luffy (the future) will have a rival/equal in the form of Zoro (the future WSS). The point I was making was that previous gens Roger and Shanks had the rivals as their opponents but Luffy has his in the form of a subordinate.

The Roger/WB to Shanks/Mihawk is pretty damn clear to anyone and the Shanks/Mihawk to Luffy/Zoro is also pretty damn clear and the Roger to Shanks to Luffy is also pretty damn clear but the WB to Mihawk to Zoro somehow becomes a very big issue. Make no mistake nobody is dying to have Zoros ceiling be WB (Ryuma and Mihawk are above WB) but to deny this linkage is stupid.
Because it's just picking and choosing
Roger had also a shiki a xebec, a garp and sengoku and so one

Who the fuck is shanks garp or sengoku? No one lol

And on top of that the dichtomy you forcing doesn't exist, and if I even would you grant you thst Mihawk would be the Roger in that equation and shanks the Whitebeard which makes it extra funny:
I know you are not a hardcore zorofan trying to foce it, i just dont see it. But even if i approached this from a role aspect:

What was really, in the story WBs role:

- Clearly had low ambitions, which the story even draw attention is, for how strong a guy he is from the begining, "just" wanting a family, depicting him as one of the few top tiers that are not seeking power or wanting to stand on top (directly oppose to mihawk and kinda also zoro)

- Was measured and analytical, he wanted not even 1 other Conqueror in his crew after the disband of rocks (again, mihawk has no crew and zoro is again a DIRECT opposite wanting a headstrong guy like luffy like himself while him being a crew member). Etablishing as a captain unlike the others that disbanded from rocks

- He was impressed by oden that he gave his ambition to leave wano for a woman. Again his role was etablished different than the rest



I could go on but the end point is WB story was to be a counter balance to the traditional captains and strong guys. Just like for example Garp is a "silly" marine at the end of the day with his own way of justice that is way more alligned with the "good guys". Coby can cry all he wants but that is also true to Coby (and also smoker and thats why people also bring him up as the next garp)

Mihawk, and by extension Zoro, do not only have not that role they are LITERAL opposites. They are the straight top tier/future top tier guys WB role in the story are. Like you can feel free to disagree but thats my point and i dont think you are not gonna change that. Its how i read the story every since WB at Marineford when it was released.



I think the issue is also (and i think thats the main issue) people, like law, or some zoro fans, want the Whitebeard parallel not because of whitebeard but because of the WSM Title. However obviously someone could be WSM without being at all like whitebeard neither in role nor personality. Its not like the previous WSS (if there was probally) just like mihawk, Ryuma for example clearly wasnt at all.

Thats why im saying if there is WSM it gonna be stated in the story rather than guessing.



Meanwhile, a straight whitebeard parallel is not yet shown in the story yet. I even heavily disagree with Kidd even if we take out all battle related stuff, Kidds role in the new gen is not like WB at all imo. I actually would say between Law and Kidd, Law is actually more akin to WB function
Saying Mihawk is a wb stand on for mid gen is character assination to the highest degree. He is the opposite of that role

This is just as forced as the law shit
KAtaturi has a better claim to this than law and Zoro together and if you are obsessed about power levels the same statement would apply to bb too
 
#38
Because it's just picking and choosing
Roger had also a shiki a xebec, a garp and sengoku and so one

Who the fuck is shanks garp or sengoku? No one lol

And on top of that the dichtomy you forcing doesn't exist, and if I even would you grant you thst Mihawk would be the Roger in that equation and shanks the Whitebeard which makes it extra funny:


Saying Mihawk is a wb stand on for mid gen is character assination to the highest degree. He is the opposite of that role

This is just as forced as the law shit
KAtaturi has a better claim to this than law and Zoro together and if you are obsessed about power levels the same statement would apply to bb too
You probably should read the Road to Laughtale Magazine
 
#39
You probably should read the Road to Laughtale Magazine
I know the magazine I just don't take secondary material that serious if I a absoulelty don't need to this includes vivre cards
If it's not from odas mouth or in the manga/and specifically form him I don't care
This is also why I don't take anything seriously regarding coloring or statement from vivre cards too, who are " directly supervised by oda to clarify the manga" who had more errors than the actual manga now :willight:if it's additional fluff sure, I never take it as a clarifier tho

Same for the ace novel which is "canon" that makes 0 sense :Shadow_Unimpressed:
 
#40
This isn't Naruto, there are only a few parallels in One Piece
Luffy - Roger/ Nika
Zoro - Rayleigh/ Ryuma
Sanji - Gaban
Usopp and his father
Probably missed some basic ones, besides that nothing concrete

There are similarites between multiple pirates though, like Crocodile and Kidd getting trashed by a Yonko, but we don't know what the future holds
 
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