General & Others Mihawk never said he was inferior to Whitebeard...

[Erkan12]

Well, a bunch of mfs believe it's about strength, he literally said " that man " and " us ".

They legit think :
Old Whitebeard > 7 Warlords

Only Mihawk attacked WB, so he was clearly testing his power vs WB's, if all Warlords attacked WB then that would be a good excuse for you but its not. Us meaning one of them in that context as only Mihawk attacked to test WB, meaning WB vs Mihawk comparison only.
Whats your excuse Mihawk saying PK > surpassing him, later telling Buggy he mean being PK = fighting Emperors 1 by 1?

 

[ZenZu]

That really depends on what translation you use so its easy to see why everyone is confused. Also regular reader has no idea which translation is actually the most accurate.

Spoiler

In no way above scan is meant to see how well protected Whitebeard is by his commanders . Thats why I hate debating this nonsense. All those translators are english guys translating from Japanese instead of japanese guy translating it to english to keep the most original meaning.

But this is pointless Mihawk inferiority to WHitebeard was already established by WB official titles.

The above translation, supports my post even more.

The distance seems small, it was an illusion. Whitebeard seemed within reach, he was not. Both Mihawk AND Kizaru served to show the readers this. Marco and Jozu broke the illusion that Whitebeard who looked a few meters away unguarded was within their reach, he wasn't.

 

[nik87]

He sees himself below PK, WSP, WSM

Nothing but wishful thinking and you will understand it sooner or later that Mihawk and Zoro dont see themselves below anyone.

Why would Mihawk give a fuck about commanders?

They dont give fuck about commanders per se, they are simply attempting to take out Whitebeard first because he is in the killing range.
The commanders protecting the king have shown that despite physical proximity, the king is out of the range thus true distance is not as close as it seemed. When trying to understand things like this, you have to include a lot of context instead of trying to make sense of couple of words...

Only Mihawk attacked WB, so he was clearly testing his power vs WB's, if all Warlords attacked WB then that would be a good excuse for you but its not. Us meaning one of them in that context as only Mihawk attacked to test WB, meaning WB vs Mihawk comparison only.
Whats your excuse Mihawk saying PK > surpassing him, later telling Buggy he mean being PK = fighting Emperors 1 by 1?

How many of these copy-paste posts do you have saved up?

 

[Djordje]

The above translation, supports my post even more.

The distance seems small, it was an illusion. Whitebeard seemed within reach, he was not. Both Mihawk AND Kizaru served to show the readers this. Marco and Jozu broke the illusion that Whitebeard who looked a few meters away unguarded was within their reach, he wasn't.

 

[ZenZu]

This is such a rare L take bro, the commanders are not at all in his mind. He was curious to see WB’s capabilities in the flesh and the servants didn’t even let him which makes the readers wonder just how much more of a threat WB actually is — a typical move by Oda. He does this scene all the time with Zoro and Luffy.

This is where you, and a lot of other people are failing.

The dialogue and action serve a dual purpose. On one hand, yes, it's about the direct demonstration of Whitebeard’s overwhelming power when seen in person. But more importantly, and this is the primary message, the scene uses the concept of "true distance" to illustrate that the gap between an Emperor like Whitebeard and any challengers isn’t just measured in physical space. Instead, it’s defined by the protective barrier of his commanders, which makes reaching him exponentially more difficult than a one man show.

So while what you're saying about WB’s individual capabilities is accurate, it’s only part of the picture. The primary point is that even if you see him and think you’re close, the real challenge lies in penetrating the layers of heavy hitters that guard him. This layered setup reinforces his Emperor status. Both elements coexist, the demonstration of Whitebeard's power and the metaphorical "distance" created by his loyal commanders. They’re not mutually exclusive, but rather two sides of the same coin that together emphasize how formidable he truly is.

It actually cheeses me that people have managed to butcher such a well crafted scene from Oda.

 

[Erkan12]

This is where you, and a lot of other people are failing.

The dialogue and action serve a dual purpose. On one hand, yes, it's about the direct demonstration of Whitebeard’s overwhelming power when seen in person. But more importantly, and this is the primary message, the scene uses the concept of "true distance" to illustrate that the gap between an Emperor like Whitebeard and any challengers isn’t just measured in physical space. Instead, it’s defined by the protective barrier of his commanders, which makes reaching him exponentially more difficult than a one man show.

So while what you're saying about WB’s individual capabilities is accurate, it’s only part of the picture. The primary point is that even if you see him and think you’re close, the real challenge lies in penetrating the layers of heavy hitters that guard him. This layered setup reinforces his Emperor status. Both elements coexist, the demonstration of Whitebeard's power and the metaphorical "distance" created by his loyal commanders. They’re not mutually exclusive, but rather two sides of the same coin that together emphasize how formidable he truly is.

It actually cheeses me that people have managed to butcher such a well crafted scene from Oda.

What you think about Aokiji and Akainu not being stopped by that barrier, but Mihawk and Kizaru getting stopped by Marco and Jozu?

Did Oda show Aokiji and Akainu > Kizaru and Mihawk?

 

[Franosuke]

This is such a rare L take bro, the commanders are not at all in his mind. He was curious to see WB’s capabilities in the flesh and the servants didn’t even let him which makes the readers wonder just how much more of a threat WB actually is — a typical move by Oda. He does this scene all the time with Zoro and Luffy.

The commanders served as the strip tease before WB himself makes a move, and when he did… it was the showstopper. You got Sengoku trembling in his pants calling him the world destroyer and could beat the marines.

It's not that he's thinking of the commanders' abilities specifically. He's noting that Whitebeard seems right in front of them and that there appears to be a simple path straight to him.

However, Mihawk sees this as a front. He believes the simplicity of being able to just throw attacks at an unguarded Whitebeard is an illusion. Thus, he tests his theory with a slash and is proven correct.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

What you think about Aokiji and Akainu not being stopped from that barrier, but Mihawk and Kizaru getting stopped by Marco and Jozu?

Did Oda show Aokiji and Akainu > Kizaru and Mihawk?

Pizzaru is finished @ZenZu

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

Only Mihawk attacked WB, so he was clearly testing his power vs WB's, if all Warlords attacked WB then that would be a good excuse for you but its not. Us meaning one of them in that context as only Mihawk attacked to test WB, meaning WB vs Mihawk comparison only.
Whats your excuse Mihawk saying PK > surpassing him, later telling Buggy he mean being PK = fighting Emperors 1 by 1?

" that man " and " Us " not " me "

 

[ZenZu]

What you think about Aokiji and Akainu not being stopped from that barrier, but Mihawk and Kizaru getting stopped by Marco and Jozu?

Did Oda show Aokiji and Akainu > Kizaru and Mihawk?

Maybe, I won't completely dismiss it. This might be a subtle way of showing they can reach WB, the other two fall just short. But I personally like to look at the Marco/Jozu chapter as an isolated event to showcase that one aspect of WB (Emperor). After this we have moments where even Vice Admirals reach WB, doesn't mean quite as much in a vacuum.

 

[park_min young]

This is where you, and a lot of other people are failing.

The dialogue and action serve a dual purpose. On one hand, yes, it's about the direct demonstration of Whitebeard’s overwhelming power when seen in person. But more importantly, and this is the primary message, the scene uses the concept of "true distance" to illustrate that the gap between an Emperor like Whitebeard and any challengers isn’t just measured in physical space. Instead, it’s defined by the protective barrier of his commanders, which makes reaching him exponentially more difficult than a one man show.

So while what you're saying about WB’s individual capabilities is accurate, it’s only part of the picture. The primary point is that even if you see him and think you’re close, the real challenge lies in penetrating the layers of heavy hitters that guard him. This layered setup reinforces his Emperor status. Both elements coexist, the demonstration of Whitebeard's power and the metaphorical "distance" created by his loyal commanders. They’re not mutually exclusive, but rather two sides of the same coin that together emphasize how formidable he truly is.

It actually cheeses me that people have managed to butcher such a well crafted scene from Oda.

Well, we were arguing what Mihawk’s words meant from his own POV. I don’t think he was thinking about anybody else bar WB at that moment.

His words, “Between us and that man” is pretty straightforward. He alienated WB as different from even himself; someone on a higher pedestal. He wasn’t specifically talking about all the warlords at once or something, “us” is arbitrary. It means WB as an individual is just different from anybody else.

It makes sense given all the other narrative fuel that WB already has at the time — being called the king of the seas, WSM and closest man to One Piece.

What you‘re saying is just a byproduct of the scene itself, which made WB’s power look more layered I guess. But we’re arguing about what Mihawk meant to himself here.

 

[nik87]

What you think about Aokiji and Akainu not being stopped by that barrier, but Mihawk and Kizaru getting stopped by Marco and Jozu?

You think Whitebeard is better equipped to face Mihawk's slash than diamond-man?
You think Whitebeard is better equipped to face Kizaru's lasers that cannot be blocked than regenerative-man?
If only you stopped for a second before typing this you would have known the answer...

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

His words, “Between us and that man” is pretty straightforward

So :
Whitebeard > Whole 7 Warlords?

 

[zenox]

There is difference
Stephen Paul is basically saying it’s up to the reader to decide if it’s strength or not while sandman is saying it has nothing to do with strength.


But then who is really better sandman or stephen paul when it comes to translations ? The answer is easy

Sandman himself said his writing and reading Japanese is far superior than the average Japanese.

how I mean how many times sandman corrected Viz/Stephen Paul translation ?
1)

2)

that’s just 2 because I couldn’t be asked looking for more but the Viz/stephan Paul translation changed their translation after sandman told them it’s wrong:

he corrected The official translation many times and they changed their translation after sandman told them it’s wrong

so yes sandman words >the official

sandman might be the goat of translators

How are people still struggling to understand the scene?

No it wasn't about Mihawk talking about the gap between them in a 1v1 combat situation (though you can say it was like a double entendre this isn't what he meant directly), no it wasn't Mihawk using his slash to measure how many meters away WB was standing (again same thing), and it sure as hell was not Mihawk sensing weakness in Whitebeard (this is the single dumbest interpretation of them all).

He was talking about how even though Whitebeard looks wide open to everyone, standing within reach of the Warlords, the "true distance" is far greater, because the distance they see is just an illusion.

Whitebeard has heavy hitters you have to go through to get to him. So the true distance between the Warlords and Whitebeard was a lot greater than it looked, Mihawk got his answer when Jozu stepped in without Whitebeard moving a muscle. To get through WB you would have to get through his commanders. It wasn't going to be as easy as the literal distance implied, hence true distance.

Marco literally spelled it out when Kizaru tried the same thing right after Mihawk, "you can't take our King this early in the game"

That entire chapter revolved around the commanders. This statement was about the commanders. This is what it means to be a Yonkou.

spittin

 

[Blazing Lion]

Fucking hell, 10 pages on something so simple

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

The test of IQ can be seen through the speech of Mihawk.

 

[nik87]

Fucking hell, 10 pages on something so simple

They used this straw for way too long, I guess it's hard to let go...

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

They used this straw for way too long, I guess it's hard to let go...

Not even Japanese mfs think like this who are reading the japanese words used by Mihawk, and these western clowns trynna sound smart than them lmao.

And what's funny is they don't try to explain the use of " Us " in his speech.

 

[ZenZu]

Well, we were arguing what Mihawk’s words meant from his own POV. I don’t think he was thinking about anybody else bar WB at that moment.

His words, “Between us and that man” is pretty straightforward. He alienated WB as different from even himself; someone on a higher pedestal. He wasn’t specifically talking about all the warlords at once or something, “us” is arbitrary. It means WB as an individual is just different from anybody else.

It makes sense given all the other narrative fuel that WB already has at the time — being called the king of the seas, WSM and closest man to One Piece.

What you‘re saying is just a byproduct of the scene itself, which made WB’s power look more layered I guess. But we’re arguing about what Mihawk meant to himself here.

Again, what Mihawk's literal words were talking about was referencing how Whitebeard looked within reach. Especially a man of his stature, the World's Strongest Man.

It's like if you see Donald Trump out in the streets and think holy shit, can I just walk up and slap this man in the face, and then you try it and find out the real distance between you and Trump was much greater than perceived as you get sniped.

And again, this serves a dual purpose. In One Piece terms a Yonkou gained this power through his individual strength (in 99% of cases), so yes it speaks volumes on how strong Whitebeard must be that if even for top tiers like Mihawk and Kizaru he has underlings that can stop them, but the literal words are more catered towards an optical illusion. Reaching the King would not be as easy as it looked.

 

[nik87]

It's like if you see Donald Trump out in the streets and think holy shit, can I just walk up and slap this man in the face, and then you try it and find out the real distance between you and Trump was much greater than perceived as you get sniped.

You outdid yourself, this is the simplest way of explaining it.