Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1143 Spoilers Discussion

[soupongo]

I do think the third point is valid since it's pretty obvious Shanks wouldn't straight up jump the dude, it's not even in character for him to do that
The rest are fair though

Well first of all, GB probably doesn't know anything about Shanks since hes new
And secondly, Shanks did say he's not interested in fighting fair in chap 1 lol

 

[Topi Jerami]

Shiryu was always so cool because he doesn’t like fighting, he likes killing. Shiryu eating the invisibility fruit made him that much cooler because it is the perfect fruit for someone like Shiryu who would prefer to cut his opponents down without actually having to fight them.

I still love Shiryu. I just don’t stan him online lmfao.

Shiryu was already so strong and oozing portrayal pre timeskip, he really didn’t need a combat Devil fruit. Magellan had multiple Warlords and Ivankov shitting their pants in fear over him, and the Level 6 Prisoners also feared Magellan. Magellan negged the same Teach who defeated Ace in one shot:

And Shiryu was an equivalent or greater threat than Magellan before he even ate a fruit lol.

So Lee, Shiryu with perfect fruit of his being above Aokiji, actually doesn't sound so farfetched, right?

 

[Blackbeard]

I'm not sure what context we'd use that emote for

Add it to Pepe emotes? Surely wouldn't have less context than that:

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

So Lee, Shiryu with perfect fruit of his being above Aokiji, actually doesn't sound so farfetched, right?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Well first of all, GB probably doesn't know anything about Shanks since hes new
And secondly, Shanks did say he's not interested in fighting fair in chap 1 lol

First one is fair
Second one.. He did fight fair against Kidd and was prepared to do so against Sakazuki too

 

[MonsterKaido]

Roger ducks Big Mom and doesn’t fight her

@ConquistadoR ”but obviously Big Mom was weaker than Gold Roger”

Whitebeard actively bitches out at the prospect of fighting Kaido at multiple points

@ConquistadoR ”but obviously Whitebeard was stronger than Kaido”

Saint Shanks conveniently decides to move for the One Piece when Kaido and Big Mom die

@ConquistadoR ”but of course Saint Shanks was a pirate comparable to Kaido and Big Mom in power, maybe even above them.”

Ryokugyu comments that he wouldn’t attack Wano while Kaido was alive (which was more a commentary on the strength of the beasts as a force and not Kaido alone)

@ConquistadoR ”WELL THAT DECIDES IT”

I mean the hypocrisy is blinding. Lol

WB was WSM and has superior portrayal than Kaido.

Shanks is fellow yonko with better Haki.

GB has none. If anything he is at matchup disadvantage against Kaido.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Man my fucking PC crashed lmao.

He wouldn't have needed to capture Luffy if Kaido was in Wano, though. Kaido sent Luffy to Udon.

It wasn't about capturing Luffy, Ryokugyu was sent by Akainu to keep a handle on the fall out of the Onigashima war.
No different from Kizaru offering to go earlier or Sengoku being sent when Roger & Shiki were about to clash.
Ryokugyu just additionally went ahead, negged the two YCs and tried to bring Luffy's head back to Akainu to surprise him.
He explicitly even tells the Marine fodders to not say a word about this to Akainu.

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Gaban also never echoed that sentiment, and has said literally nothing about fearing Kaido ever.

Talks about travelling to Wano again after Kaido was taken care of. Pretty straight forward.

Whitebeard and Saint Shanks did the exact same thing, but I’ve never seen you argue that Kaido is stronger than them. Lol

Thats the thing. Nobody wanted to go to Wano cuz they'll have to deal with Kaido.

I've always had Kaido > Shanks though...

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

So Lee, Shiryu with perfect fruit of his being above Aokiji, actually doesn't sound so farfetched, right?

That's just a fact lol

 

[PuckTheGreat]

With this logic, even the Gorosei can come to Erbaf.

If Shamrock was going to be the villain, Oda would have kept him in the first place.



"in my head" lol:

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- Loki

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- Luffy

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Simply say you don't think for whatever reason it will happen, not that it wasn't foreshadowed.

Can’t see anything quoted for Loki but guessing you posted a pic of his intro when he said he was gonna destroy the world?

Regardless, Loki saying he’s Nika & that he’s gonna destroy the world doesn’t make him Nika the destroyer in actuality. The concept of Nika the destroyer isn’t really a new concept in the story. We had a similar scenario with Shirely’s prediction about Luffy (I.e will he liberate us or save us). Vegapunk also highlighted not taking sides even though he’s aware of part of history of the world arguing everyone has their own side to the story. So there’s always been an underlying theme with regards to whether Luffy’s gonna be a cause of destruction or liberation to the world and like I’ve already mentioned in my prior post, if Loki is indeed what you think he is, the mere fact that Luffy’s releasing Loki who the Giants fear will destroy Elbaf in itself is an act of destruction not Liberation. The notion that Luffy who willy nilly unleashed Loki on Elbaf for kicks is somehow the liberator even if he ends up stopping him makes no sense.

Also foreshadowings are subtle not obvious hence why they are foreshadowings.

i.e. everybody says Loki is evil but:
- mosa says Loki is kind & just easily misunderstood
- zoro not completely believing the rumors & emphasizing meeting Loki first in order to determine he’s bad or not
- loki befriending the animals in the underworld
- loki refusing to join the holy knights who by the way are by the way are already established threats to Elb

this above here is a foreshadowing not incredibly obvious stuff like ‘I will destroy the world’ + ‘people say he’s evil’ = ‘Nika the destroyer’.

Yeah, all this, from Loki saying it to oda giving Loki precisely the power said to be the greatest weakness of Erbaf doesn't really have any meaning, it's just for the lol of it, I am sure:

We are talking about Loki's own words here.

Another so called obvious ‘foreshadowing’. This imo is a red herring but we can agree to disagree on this

Quite the opposite.

Again, I don't see why we are acting surprised for something we have always known since the mosa-thing.

A character that is rumored to be demon incarnate & is being humanized & having his rumors debunked is more evidence that he’ll be the arc antagonist?

Lastly I’d say this. I’ll concede that there is indeed setup for Loki v Luffy with regards to Loki’s ideals & the fact that he claims to be Nika so it’s not like I cannot at all see what you’re getting at but on the balance of tings I don’t think that is strong enough to establish Loki as the arc antagonist. I also don’t think it’s evidence that Loki is the so called Nika of destruction.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Have you not read my world balance tutorial for 5 year olds edition

Shiryu was pretty adamant the World Gov. would love to get their hands on a Red Poneglyph to keep it out of everyone else's hands. They have the manpower (x100) to do that to any Yonko and still don't. Even for realpolitik reasons, it's not believable

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

They had to have the entire HQ Fleet and the Warlords to face Whitebeard on their own territory. Going against one on their turf and not as much advantages? Not worth it.

Toss in Seraphim, Holy Knight's and Cipher Pol Aegis 0 and you have an elite fighting force from them alone.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Shiryu was pretty adamant the World Gov. would love to get their hands on a Red Poneglyph to keep it out of everyone else's hands. They have the manpower (x100) to do that to any Yonko and still don't. Even for realpolitik reasons, it's not believable

Now that you say that....I don't think Burny is on the WG payroll. Because why have your ace in the hole be on a boat instead of Mariejois?

 

[Blackbeard]

@SakazOuki

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Toss in Seraphim, Holy Knight's and Cipher Pol Aegis 0 and you have an elite fighting force from them alone.

Cipher Pol are more for covert stuff, not an outright invasion. And the Seraphim just got finished only like two weeks ago, in story. Even at Egghead, they were still trying to get all the data situated.

 

[soupongo]

Man my fucking PC crashed lmao.


It wasn't about capturing Luffy, Ryokugyu was sent by Akainu to keep a handle on the fall out of the Onigashima war.
No different from Kizaru offering to go earlier or Sengoku being sent when Roger & Shiki were about to clash.
Ryokugyu just additionally went ahead, negged the two YCs and tried to bring Luffy's head back to Akainu to surprise him.
He explicitly even tells the Marine fodders to not say a word about this to Akainu.

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Talks about travelling to Wano again after Kaido was taken care of. Pretty straight forward.


Thats the thing. Nobody wanted to go to Wano cuz they'll have to deal with Kaido.

I've always had Kaido > Shanks though...

Except, he literally said he will leave after getting "Strawhat Luffy". His intention wasn't to "moniter the war" lol. He had zero interest in Wano beyond that.
Gaban is not currently planning a trip to Wano, nor has he actually gone to Wano, even though Kaido is dead. Kaido was not keeping him from going to Wano, he simply is retired and wants to visit the country again sometime. Unless Gaban caused trouble, Kaido would not try to kill him, the SH were undercover in Wano for a good amount of time.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Cipher Pol are more for covert stuff, not an outright invasion. And the Seraphim just got finished only like two weeks ago, in story.

Replace them with some of the less idiotic Shichibukai and CP-0 can be the vanguard to weaken any Yonko's internal integrity, like they sort of were used as in Egghead. Lucci was sent in but the WG still had that huge ass fleet coming for it.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Cipher Pol are more for covert stuff, not an outright invasion. And the Seraphim just got finished only like two weeks ago, in story. Even at Egghead, they were still trying to get all the data situated.

The Seraphim were probably what Kaido was talking about in his big speech about the WG disbanding the Warlords & SSG coming up as a force before the raid began.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

The Seraphim were probably what Kaido was talking about in his big speech about the WG disbanding the Warlords & SSG coming up as a force before the raid began.

And now all they have is York to lead with handling them. Good luck with that.

 

[MarineHQ]

I think when it comes to King Kuri just spam this, it's enough. The moment. The ost. Come back when your fav gets such moment.

 

[Ven437]

Shiryu was pretty adamant the World Gov. would love to get their hands on a Red Poneglyph to keep it out of everyone else's hands. They have the manpower (x100) to do that to any Yonko and still don't. Even for realpolitik reasons, it's not believable

Going after one Yonko means going after ALL of them

If word got out that the WG started targetting Yonkos for their Red Pones you can bet your ass the remaining three Yonko would form an alliance, maybe even go to the one being invaded and help them out

WB, Kaido, and BM used to be former mates. Shanks moves against the WG. It’d be 4 Yonkos and their crews vs Admirals, CP0, Warlords (Holy Knights and Gorosei don’t count due to their jurisdiction). Four Yonkos teamed up would be the singlehanded greatest combat force bigger than WG, who also had 4-5 top tiers at best

(Beckmann might be a top tier, Kaido can arguably handle two Admirals, Shanks can feasibly mid-diff an Admiral)