Current Events What if Marco, Kid, and Law took out the All Stars instead of ZSJ?
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You guys really do not want the mugiwaras to be strong, right? Smh 
Oda is giving the scabbards freaking badass moments and power boost out of nowhere but you guys think that he will not do the same thing with the strawhats? The freaking protagonists of the story
You really think that Zoro vs King, Sanji vs Queen and Jinbe vs Jack make less sense than Kiku and Kinemon piercing Kaido’s skin?
Oda is giving the scabbards freaking badass moments and power boost out of nowhere but you guys think that he will not do the same thing with the strawhats? The freaking protagonists of the story
You really think that Zoro vs King, Sanji vs Queen and Jinbe vs Jack make less sense than Kiku and Kinemon piercing Kaido’s skin?
You guys really do not want the mugiwaras to be strong, right? Smh
Oda is giving the scabbards freaking badass moments and power boost out of nowhere but you guys think that he will not do the same thing with the strawhats? The freaking protagonists of the story
You really think that Zoro vs King, Sanji vs Queen and Jinbe vs Jack make less sense than Kiku and Kinemon piercing Kaido’s skin?
Oda is giving the scabbards freaking badass moments and power boost out of nowhere but you guys think that he will not do the same thing with the strawhats? The freaking protagonists of the story
You really think that Zoro vs King, Sanji vs Queen and Jinbe vs Jack make less sense than Kiku and Kinemon piercing Kaido’s skin?
SNs will be tested before going against Kaido.
Luffy was already tested and i foresee Zoro,Kid,Law going to do so too .
( Tho law must not lose too much energy so Oda can use his wits to distract law ... something like meeting Drake ).
I don't like it but I prefer to be honest , SNs will change the world Oda was clear.
Luffy leading them yes but still.
You guys really do not want the mugiwaras to be strong, right? Smh
Oda is giving the scabbards freaking badass moments and power boost out of nowhere but you guys think that he will not do the same thing with the strawhats? The freaking protagonists of the story
You really think that Zoro vs King, Sanji vs Queen and Jinbe vs Jack make less sense than Kiku and Kinemon piercing Kaido’s skin?
Oda is giving the scabbards freaking badass moments and power boost out of nowhere but you guys think that he will not do the same thing with the strawhats? The freaking protagonists of the story
You really think that Zoro vs King, Sanji vs Queen and Jinbe vs Jack make less sense than Kiku and Kinemon piercing Kaido’s skin?
My point is that when we are in an arc with multiple, highly powerful characters, why should Sanji take on a calamity over them?
Why should sanji fight a calamity over Kid, Law, Drake, or Marco, when they are much stronger than he is?
It would be bad writing to include all of these powerful characters into the arc and have them do nothing while the straw hats take out every main villain. If this could be done, then what was the point of having allies in the first place?
Kid was stated to be the most important supernova. If Oda was willing to let Law take out Vergo, then why can't he give Kid a 1v1 as well?
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A bit less important than the first decent fight in more than 10 years
Sanji, Zoro got major PU's in Wano, so they're fighting the Calamities in my opinion. It's clear that they were in the F6 level of power going into the arc. So if they end up not fighting the Calamities it'd be a waste of their potential. And I think that it's about time that they get their first real fight after the time skip. If not in this all out war then when.
Jimbei is a bit iffy. It's possible he won't fight the Calamities except for some brief clashes. Maybe him and Marco would stall Big Mom so the rest would focus on the Beast Pirates.
Law and Kidd on the other hand I can see them clashing with the Calamities for a bit too, but their real fight would be against Kaido alongside Luffy. SN leaders vs BP general.
Jimbei is a bit iffy. It's possible he won't fight the Calamities except for some brief clashes. Maybe him and Marco would stall Big Mom so the rest would focus on the Beast Pirates.
Law and Kidd on the other hand I can see them clashing with the Calamities for a bit too, but their real fight would be against Kaido alongside Luffy. SN leaders vs BP general.
Funny enough I'm starting to believe P1 is actually stronger than he lets on, purely because Ulti doesn't find it cute when he goes all out. Idk, I think people are in for a rude awakening this arc when it comes to matchups. The world in OP has gotten vastly bigger, and there hasn't been a typical, run of the mill main protagonists vs. antagonist matchups in a long time. We like throw around these ideas that Zoro and Sanji are super close in strength because of their pre-timeskip battles. Which is totally fine. Its merited. But recall their dreams. Zoro means to be the WSS. Sanji wants to find All-Blue. One is completely non-violent in nature. One doesn't require being the best at something combatively (we all know Sanji already is the best chef ever, especially after WCI, no doubt about it).
This is why I'm starting to believe, especially due to the last 2 chapters, that Oda is portraying Zoro, Kid and Law as the focal points to every time he does a "status" update. Thats not to say Sanji or Jinbe are less important, but I think its to show who will probably end up fighting Kaido's All-Stars. Assuming this is true:
- Zoro vs. King makes sense. He has expressed his desire to cut fire. In an arc that is supposed to be central to Zoro, it would be wise if he fought the person with the actual Katana (unlike Queen or Jack).
- Kid vs. Queen also makes sense due to Udon. Both have mechanical arms. Both fight fight with very big, heavy hitting moves.
- Law vs. Jack I admit really has no bearing at this time, unless Law gets pissed that Jack attacked Bepo's homeland and almost killed his crewmembers. Could be an interesting fight. Jack could have strong enough Haki to withstand any of Law's room techniques. Its a good way to counter his strengths.
- Sanji vs. Page One I truly see because we really don't know the extent of what Page One is or what he can do. They make fun of him, but, I beg to differ that we've seen anything substantial from him. A lot of people associate the idea that if Zoro faces King, Sanji HAS to trail right behind him and fight Queen. Its a fanboy bias that really needs to die. You can love a character, but lets not assume that Sanji HAS to be stronger than other Supernova Captains, or is warranted the 3rd strongest fight in an arc. We already know how Law and Sanji fared against Doflamingo, and clearly one did more against him than the other. Here comes the rage.
-Jinbe vs. Sasaki is interesting because while there is zero merit yet, Sasaki 90% is a fishman. Very same or similar design to Jinbe and while he carries a sword I can see it not being his main weapon. A personal hope of mine is that he and Jinbe know each other, and he's responsible for giving Jinbe his scar (we still have yet to have a flashback explanation for this, and Jinbe is joining now).
- Killer vs. Who's Who. 2 Long-haired masked swordsmen. Seriously though, like Law, at the moment there is no definitive reason yet. Just placement.
- Yamato vs. Ulti. Already seems to be happening, but we'll see if that is her actual fight this arc. I don't expect the main battles to start yet as the F6 really need more characterization during all of this. Doflamingo's crew got a lot more before they went down. They seem to match in a way, with Ulti's morning star now.
- Robin vs. Black Maria is something I do certainly see, but like some others, there is no bearing for it as of yet.
- Usopp, Chopper, Franky and Brook vs. The Numbers. I think last chapter was totally a hint at General Franky fighting them, and then eventually these 4 taking the Numbers on.
It still leaves villains like BM, Perospero, the rest of the BMP, Hotei and Fukurokuju off the list, and good characters like Nami, Carrot, and likely Drake, Apoo and Hawkins (eventually betraying Kaido), but I'm sure Oda will figure out ways to match these characters up or have some of the above face the BMP. Luffy I think is 100% going to fight Big Mom for a while. The rest I'm not sure.
And just to put a background on this, I have no personal bias for Zoro or Sanji. I don't view One Piece as a battle manga. I just have never looked at Sanji as Luffy's number 3 like it actually meaning something. I'm totally fine with Sanji fighting a F6 and Zoro facing a calamity and both growing extremely well from it.
This is why I'm starting to believe, especially due to the last 2 chapters, that Oda is portraying Zoro, Kid and Law as the focal points to every time he does a "status" update. Thats not to say Sanji or Jinbe are less important, but I think its to show who will probably end up fighting Kaido's All-Stars. Assuming this is true:
- Zoro vs. King makes sense. He has expressed his desire to cut fire. In an arc that is supposed to be central to Zoro, it would be wise if he fought the person with the actual Katana (unlike Queen or Jack).
- Kid vs. Queen also makes sense due to Udon. Both have mechanical arms. Both fight fight with very big, heavy hitting moves.
- Law vs. Jack I admit really has no bearing at this time, unless Law gets pissed that Jack attacked Bepo's homeland and almost killed his crewmembers. Could be an interesting fight. Jack could have strong enough Haki to withstand any of Law's room techniques. Its a good way to counter his strengths.
- Sanji vs. Page One I truly see because we really don't know the extent of what Page One is or what he can do. They make fun of him, but, I beg to differ that we've seen anything substantial from him. A lot of people associate the idea that if Zoro faces King, Sanji HAS to trail right behind him and fight Queen. Its a fanboy bias that really needs to die. You can love a character, but lets not assume that Sanji HAS to be stronger than other Supernova Captains, or is warranted the 3rd strongest fight in an arc. We already know how Law and Sanji fared against Doflamingo, and clearly one did more against him than the other. Here comes the rage.
-Jinbe vs. Sasaki is interesting because while there is zero merit yet, Sasaki 90% is a fishman. Very same or similar design to Jinbe and while he carries a sword I can see it not being his main weapon. A personal hope of mine is that he and Jinbe know each other, and he's responsible for giving Jinbe his scar (we still have yet to have a flashback explanation for this, and Jinbe is joining now).
- Killer vs. Who's Who. 2 Long-haired masked swordsmen. Seriously though, like Law, at the moment there is no definitive reason yet. Just placement.
- Yamato vs. Ulti. Already seems to be happening, but we'll see if that is her actual fight this arc. I don't expect the main battles to start yet as the F6 really need more characterization during all of this. Doflamingo's crew got a lot more before they went down. They seem to match in a way, with Ulti's morning star now.
- Robin vs. Black Maria is something I do certainly see, but like some others, there is no bearing for it as of yet.
- Usopp, Chopper, Franky and Brook vs. The Numbers. I think last chapter was totally a hint at General Franky fighting them, and then eventually these 4 taking the Numbers on.
It still leaves villains like BM, Perospero, the rest of the BMP, Hotei and Fukurokuju off the list, and good characters like Nami, Carrot, and likely Drake, Apoo and Hawkins (eventually betraying Kaido), but I'm sure Oda will figure out ways to match these characters up or have some of the above face the BMP. Luffy I think is 100% going to fight Big Mom for a while. The rest I'm not sure.
And just to put a background on this, I have no personal bias for Zoro or Sanji. I don't view One Piece as a battle manga. I just have never looked at Sanji as Luffy's number 3 like it actually meaning something. I'm totally fine with Sanji fighting a F6 and Zoro facing a calamity and both growing extremely well from it.
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I don't see why this has to happen. Oda has never implied that katana swordsmen are somehow the superior swordsmen. Mihawk doesn't use a katana and neither did his greatest rival(shanks).
Given that Zoro vs kaido most likely will happen, I don't see why Zoro needs to fight king. For the most part, Zoro's opponents haven't been wildly stronger than Sanji's. Yeah, Mr1`> bon clay, but bon clay was still the strongest guy in baroque works after mr1. And the gap between them wasn't nearly as big as the gap between a YC1 and a veteran.
I think Zoro vs Jack is equally as likely as Zoro vs king.
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The thing with Zoro vs King is that King possesses a quality that Zoro has explicitly taken interest in cutting; fire.
Ever since he saw Kin do it at Punk Hazard, he's also been interested in the technique himself. Not only was King stated to be a swordsman in a volume of OP magazine, he has ability to utilise fire and is also Kaido's 2nd in command (if we go by the notion of the card hierarchy, King outranks Queen, Queen outranks Jack etc)
I dont think Zoro vs Jack is impossible either but Zoro vs King makes a lot more sense imo
Ever since he saw Kin do it at Punk Hazard, he's also been interested in the technique himself. Not only was King stated to be a swordsman in a volume of OP magazine, he has ability to utilise fire and is also Kaido's 2nd in command (if we go by the notion of the card hierarchy, King outranks Queen, Queen outranks Jack etc)
I dont think Zoro vs Jack is impossible either but Zoro vs King makes a lot more sense imo
@Paperchampion23 Sanji's main fight this arc is not gonna be against page one mate whether his dream is "All Blue" or not. Zoro, Luffy & Kidd weren't the only ones that got highlighted this chapter, Marco & Perospero also did but somehow the earlier 3 are the only ones that are gonna be fighting calamities? ^^" Moreover, how you expect those 3 to fight against the calamities and still have enough gas to fight Kaidou as a main event is beyond me. All of those aforementioned characters got highlighted because they are they are major players for the alliance it is as simple as that.
I'm not even sure how anyone can think having Zoro, Kidd & Law fight the calamities as warm-ups before Kaidou and then given Sanji and Jinbe the Tobi Roppo is sensible. Even if you're bias common sense has to come into play at some point.
Kidd v Queen is a myth, y'all was shouting Kidd vs Queen a few chapters back too and he got matched against Apoo (which made infinitely more sense btw)^^". Moreover their battle is still yet to reach a conclusion. Law v Jack is a massive reach...lolz. Zoro v King will happen but it'd be a climax battle for him imo and I personally think it's a bit too early for that, regardless of whether he makes any sort of contact with Kaidou at a point in the arc . It's more likely that Oda gives us some fan some fan service with Marco v King instead.
Kidd & Law are Luffy's rivals, that has been forced down our throat several times this arc already. As such, they will be fighting against the big boss with Luffy, be it Kaidou or Lilin. The Calamities aren't so weak that they can me warm ups for Kidd and Law.
I mean in this arc, Luffy hasn't even clashed with any of the calamities once and it's very unlikely that that'd be the case even though he almost always takes out the 3rd strongest subordinate under the antagonist. Inu/Neko v Jack were also massive contenders for fighting Jack, but that is a reach now as Oda is having them use their Sulong against Kaidou (which makes a lot more sense than a fight with Jack imo), so the Calamities are clearly being reserved for other characters who imo are gonna be Sanji, Zoro and Jinbe.
I'm not even sure how anyone can think having Zoro, Kidd & Law fight the calamities as warm-ups before Kaidou and then given Sanji and Jinbe the Tobi Roppo is sensible. Even if you're bias common sense has to come into play at some point.
Kidd v Queen is a myth, y'all was shouting Kidd vs Queen a few chapters back too and he got matched against Apoo (which made infinitely more sense btw)^^". Moreover their battle is still yet to reach a conclusion. Law v Jack is a massive reach...lolz. Zoro v King will happen but it'd be a climax battle for him imo and I personally think it's a bit too early for that, regardless of whether he makes any sort of contact with Kaidou at a point in the arc . It's more likely that Oda gives us some fan some fan service with Marco v King instead.
Kidd & Law are Luffy's rivals, that has been forced down our throat several times this arc already. As such, they will be fighting against the big boss with Luffy, be it Kaidou or Lilin. The Calamities aren't so weak that they can me warm ups for Kidd and Law.
I mean in this arc, Luffy hasn't even clashed with any of the calamities once and it's very unlikely that that'd be the case even though he almost always takes out the 3rd strongest subordinate under the antagonist. Inu/Neko v Jack were also massive contenders for fighting Jack, but that is a reach now as Oda is having them use their Sulong against Kaidou (which makes a lot more sense than a fight with Jack imo), so the Calamities are clearly being reserved for other characters who imo are gonna be Sanji, Zoro and Jinbe.
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If you gonna focus on only one aspect of my reason, then focus on the rest. A desire of Zoro back at PH was to cut the elements. King is the only person in Wano that seems to produce fire, seemingly naturally.
A big part of Zoro's fights is that he faces a character who "feels" virtually undefeatable as a swordsman prior to him. These usually come from the people who are "2nd" in command or provide some sort of challenge to how Zoro can defeat them. Jack has been portrayed 3 times to have lost already. He lost to Sengoku and Tsuru. He lost to Zunisha and used poison to defeat the Mink Kings. He "lost" to Asura (he didn't but he was cut while Asura received no damage). Jack was also shown multiple times not using a sword exclusively in Zou. He's also been called "Jack the drag down" by Queen and King. You expect Zoro to fight someone like this? I don't.
Compare that to King, who is entirely mysterious still and is considered Kaido's right hand in several ways, which you can pretty much assume from the way they speak to each other. Remember, Zoro's whole mantra is not losing another Swordsman, and in nearly every case, that swordsman is the 2nd strongest character in the arc. There are points of contention about Pica but his ability was extremely broken.
I think its much more likely that Zoro fights King over someone like Jack.
A big part of Zoro's fights is that he faces a character who "feels" virtually undefeatable as a swordsman prior to him. These usually come from the people who are "2nd" in command or provide some sort of challenge to how Zoro can defeat them. Jack has been portrayed 3 times to have lost already. He lost to Sengoku and Tsuru. He lost to Zunisha and used poison to defeat the Mink Kings. He "lost" to Asura (he didn't but he was cut while Asura received no damage). Jack was also shown multiple times not using a sword exclusively in Zou. He's also been called "Jack the drag down" by Queen and King. You expect Zoro to fight someone like this? I don't.
Compare that to King, who is entirely mysterious still and is considered Kaido's right hand in several ways, which you can pretty much assume from the way they speak to each other. Remember, Zoro's whole mantra is not losing another Swordsman, and in nearly every case, that swordsman is the 2nd strongest character in the arc. There are points of contention about Pica but his ability was extremely broken.
I think its much more likely that Zoro fights King over someone like Jack.
Eh, Zoro, Kid and Law were also portrayed the same way last chapter, without Marco and Perospero. I think we are all assuming that Luffy will share Kaido equally with Law, Kid, Zoro and Marco, which I feel like also just as baseless as any other potential matchup this arc. Do I expect them to participate? Sure. Do I expect them to have significant impact on Kaido in the end? Maybe?
The one thing that has always stayed consistent in One Piece is Luffy being merited a 1v1 major battle every arc that calls for it. Kaido is Luffy's fight. Not Kid's, Zoro's, Law's or Marco's. Will they help? Maybe. But that doesn't mean they will deliver final blows on the Yonko. That also goes without saying that I still believe Luffy will fight Big Mom prior (as a means to show his Ryou haki works, not beat her). I don't consider these warmup fights, but full fledged battles.
We already have a broken YC who can heal everyone if he really wanted to.
Anyway, lets see how it plays out. I'm not speaking in absolutes, but its what I choose to believe at this point. I'm not a Zoro or Sanji stan, but I think if you look at the situation, that very clearly Zoro has more merit to fight a Calamity than Sanji would, or that Kid and Law both are portrayed as strong enough CAPTAIN allies to fight the others.
Exactly! Listen I totally go through the 1v1 battle guesses like anyone else, but in the end, people really should refer to DR as an example of how Oda portrays chaotic battles. He had quite a few notable SHF members fall or fail before Doflamingo's crew, befroe spending only like 1-2 chapters at most in having others defeat said members. It was chaotic. Multiple people fought multiple villains. Multiple villains defeated multiple people (Lao G and Dellinger come to mind). And multiple protagonists were involved in the villains defeats.
The one thing I can be sure about is I HIGHLY doubt my matchup logic will be right, but I also doubt anyone else's will be right either. I think it will a 100x more chaotic than that. I mean Oda is already subverting expectations by having all 9 scabbards and minks facing ONLY Kaido, while preparing for a Sulong transformation. Literally the first actual chapter of the War at this point and he does this specifically.
It won't go as you think. It won't go as I think. And this is important. All we can do is hope that everyone is portrayed nicely and worthwhile moments come from each battle.
The one thing that has always stayed consistent in One Piece is Luffy being merited a 1v1 major battle every arc that calls for it. Kaido is Luffy's fight. Not Kid's, Zoro's, Law's or Marco's. Will they help? Maybe. But that doesn't mean they will deliver final blows on the Yonko. That also goes without saying that I still believe Luffy will fight Big Mom prior (as a means to show his Ryou haki works, not beat her). I don't consider these warmup fights, but full fledged battles.
We already have a broken YC who can heal everyone if he really wanted to.
Anyway, lets see how it plays out. I'm not speaking in absolutes, but its what I choose to believe at this point. I'm not a Zoro or Sanji stan, but I think if you look at the situation, that very clearly Zoro has more merit to fight a Calamity than Sanji would, or that Kid and Law both are portrayed as strong enough CAPTAIN allies to fight the others.
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Exactly! Listen I totally go through the 1v1 battle guesses like anyone else, but in the end, people really should refer to DR as an example of how Oda portrays chaotic battles. He had quite a few notable SHF members fall or fail before Doflamingo's crew, befroe spending only like 1-2 chapters at most in having others defeat said members. It was chaotic. Multiple people fought multiple villains. Multiple villains defeated multiple people (Lao G and Dellinger come to mind). And multiple protagonists were involved in the villains defeats.
The one thing I can be sure about is I HIGHLY doubt my matchup logic will be right, but I also doubt anyone else's will be right either. I think it will a 100x more chaotic than that. I mean Oda is already subverting expectations by having all 9 scabbards and minks facing ONLY Kaido, while preparing for a Sulong transformation. Literally the first actual chapter of the War at this point and he does this specifically.
It won't go as you think. It won't go as I think. And this is important. All we can do is hope that everyone is portrayed nicely and worthwhile moments come from each battle.
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Page One really doesn't work as a Sanji fight. He's just... unimpressive.
Now, with WW and Sasaki, sure, they aren't a Calamity. But there's still a bit of mystery there. We don't even know their Devil Fruits, let alone what their hybrid form is. We know they've got a rivalry of a kind with the Calamities.
Compare that to Page One. In his very first appearance, he jumps straight to hybrid. Straight away, lot of interest goes out of the fight. Note that despite having been in the series for a (in Jack and Kaido's case very) long time, we're still waiting on the Calamity and Kaido hybrid. Oda's holding that off for now, when the war starts as a big hype moment. Meanwhile, we saw Page One's straight away... and he didn't even look all that great in it. One attack on Sanji that sort of hurt him, compared to squeals of pain when Sanji landed one on him.
Then he comes back, and he's derided by Sasaki and bossed around by a girl. Yes, I know, dreadfully sexist, but it is what it is. It's not a great look for Page One. At no point have I thought if him as some secret über badass. Then he runs into Luffy and reveals his best trait, which basically being able to keep going despite being a punching bag? That's really not the recipe for an interesting Sanji fight- especially since we've already seen it.
Now, with WW and Sasaki, sure, they aren't a Calamity. But there's still a bit of mystery there. We don't even know their Devil Fruits, let alone what their hybrid form is. We know they've got a rivalry of a kind with the Calamities.
Compare that to Page One. In his very first appearance, he jumps straight to hybrid. Straight away, lot of interest goes out of the fight. Note that despite having been in the series for a (in Jack and Kaido's case very) long time, we're still waiting on the Calamity and Kaido hybrid. Oda's holding that off for now, when the war starts as a big hype moment. Meanwhile, we saw Page One's straight away... and he didn't even look all that great in it. One attack on Sanji that sort of hurt him, compared to squeals of pain when Sanji landed one on him.
Then he comes back, and he's derided by Sasaki and bossed around by a girl. Yes, I know, dreadfully sexist, but it is what it is. It's not a great look for Page One. At no point have I thought if him as some secret über badass. Then he runs into Luffy and reveals his best trait, which basically being able to keep going despite being a punching bag? That's really not the recipe for an interesting Sanji fight- especially since we've already seen it.