Current Events What if Marco, Kid, and Law took out the All Stars instead of ZSJ?

[Rivaille]

My point is that when we are in an arc with multiple, highly powerful characters, why should Sanji take on a calamity over them?

Why should sanji fight a calamity over Kid, Law, Drake, or Marco, when they are much stronger than he is?

It would be bad writing to include all of these powerful characters into the arc and have them do nothing while the straw hats take out every main villain. If this could be done, then what was the point of having allies in the first place?

Kid was stated to be the most important supernova. If Oda was willing to let Law take out Vergo, then why can't he give Kid a 1v1 as well?

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Zoro used like 90% of his power against Pica.

It would be bad writhing to make one of the protagonist shine over a side character? Really?
i mean, you do realize that there are plenty of strong antagonist and that Kidd or Law do not need a 1 v 1 fight they can be part of the fight against one of the Yonko.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Eh, Zoro, Kid and Law were also portrayed the same way last chapter, without Marco and Perospero. I think we are all assuming that Luffy will share Kaido equally with Law, Kid, Zoro and Marco, which I feel like also just as baseless as any other potential matchup this arc. Do I expect them to participate? Sure. Do I expect them to have significant impact on Kaido in the end? Maybe?

Kidd & Law are definitely fighting against Kaidou there is nothing baseless about that (Marco is debatable and Zoro is plausible). Thinking Law & Kidd will be fighting Calamities & Luffy a Yonkou, now that would be proper odd. It just isn't gonna happen regardless of whether Luffy v Kaidou ends the way Luffy v Doffy did.

The one thing that has always stayed consistent in One Piece is Luffy being merited a 1v1 major battle every arc that calls for it. Kaido is Luffy's fight. Not Kid's, Zoro's, Law's or Marco's. Will they help? Maybe. But that doesn't mean they will deliver final blows on the Yonko. That also goes without saying that I still believe Luffy will fight Big Mom prior (as a means to show his Ryou haki works, not beat her). I don't consider these warmup fights, but full fledged battles.

Luffy will get a 1 v 1 and so will Zoro & Sanji that is how it has always been in the major arcs in the series and Wano is the biggest major arc in OP till date.

We already have a broken YC who can heal everyone if he really wanted to.

If Law fights a Calamity, he won't be making any meaningful contributions against a Yonkou regardless of whether Marco can heal him or not except of course Marco can restore his stamina as he has a stamina cap. Also I still don't get how saying Zoro, Kidd & Law fight the calamities as warm ups whilst Sanji and Zoro fight the Tobi roppo as their main events is either sensible or fair. Even though Kidd and Law fighting the calamities is totally unnecessary btw.

Anyway, lets see how it plays out. I'm not speaking in absolutes, but its what I choose to believe at this point. I'm not a Zoro or Sanji stan, but I think if you look at the situation, that very clearly Zoro has more merit to fight a Calamity than Sanji would, or that Kid and Law both are portrayed as strong enough CAPTAIN allies to fight the others.

The fact that you can say Zoro has more merit to face a Calamity all the whilst playing down Sanji's chances of fighting one whilst also advocating for Zoro v King (the strongest calamity) is mind boggling to me lolz but hey, we are all entitled to our opinions.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Kidd & Law are definitely fighting against Kaidou there is nothing baseless about that (Marco is debatable and Zoro is plausible). Thinking Law & Kidd will be fighting Calamities & Luffy a Yonkou, now that would be proper odd. It just isn't gonna happen regardless of whether Luffy v Kaidou ends the way Luffy v Doffy did.


Luffy will get a 1 v 1 and so will Zoro & Sanji that is how it has always been in the major arcs in the series and Wano is the biggest major arc in OP till date.



If Law fights a Calamity, he won't be making any meaningful contributions against a Yonkou regardless of whether Marco can heal him or not except of course Marco can restore his stamina as he has a stamina cap. Also I still don't get how saying Zoro, Kidd & Law fight the calamities as warm ups whilst Sanji and Zoro fight the Tobi roppo as their main events is either sensible or fair. Even though Kidd and Law fighting the calamities is totally unnecessary btw.


The fact that you can say Zoro has more merit to face a Calamity all the whilst playing down Sanji's chances of fighting one whilst also advocating for Zoro v King (the strongest calamity) is mind boggling to me lolz but hey, we are all entitled to our opinions.

I just want to blanket statement this and say I respect everything you are saying. I don't really have strong opinions about these battles, as long as they take have the following:

-Amazing double spreads
-Significant moments for every notable character involved
-The defeats/wins are excellent looking
-The battles take up multiple volumes so I can look back at that section of my bookshelf and go "that's where that amazing shit happened, let me go read it again"

Really, I hope for everyone's sake this is as satisfying to every fanbase as possible.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

I think ZSJ will fight the Calamities or those which are in the same power tier...

 

[zaman]

Zoro will definitively fight a Calamity and beat one, for the rest i'm unsure tbh and it's not their portrayal this arc does help in that regard.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I still think that it will be
Zoro Law Kidd vs the calamities
They're getting portrayed together recently so i wouldn't be surprised

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

King and Queen feel like made for Zoro and Sanji, and Jinbe is arguably an already established high tier that has very little to do with a Flying Six (how is it interesting for a guy capable of blocking Akainu and Big Mom, who was explicitly praised by Sengoku, to defeat someone like Sasaki?). If Smoothie was here I could see Jinbe defeating her, but if she doesn't end up reaching Wano then Jack is the safest option.

On the other hand, I feel like Marco fighting King is irrelevant because anyone can already buy that Marco is stronger, Kid wants revenge on Kaido (we had a direct parallel panel with Luffy here) and Law is just the perfect support fighter, so I can't really see them facing the Calamities.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It would be bad writhing to make one of the protagonist shine over a side character? Really?
i mean, you do realize that there are plenty of strong antagonist and that Kidd or Law do not need a 1 v 1 fight they can be part of the fight against one of the Yonko.

lmao sanji is not a protagonist

and neither is jinbe

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just because they are straw hats doesn't mean that they should get fights over people who are much stronger than them.

 

[Lunaria]

The truth :

Toei can't be taken seriously, but at least their intuition is right on that.

 

[Fuckthis3]

The truth :

Toei can't be taken seriously, but at least their intuition is right on that.

Toei CAN be taking seriously

 

[Courier]

The truth :

Toei can't be taken seriously, but at least their intuition is right on that.

Confirmed tag team match
Zoro & sanji vs King & queen .

Luffy , kid , law & yamato vs kaido
Jinbe vs jack

 

[Tobra]

how many 1v1's did we see in mf
that should answer the question .

how many main characters did we see in marineford?

 

[Lunaria]

Confirmed tag team match
Zoro & sanji vs King & queen .

Luffy , kid , law & yamato vs kaido
Jinbe vs jack

I don't think it confirms anything but I believe that's how it will go down. But I doubt it will be a quaternary fight, either they both fight King and Queen separately or they tag team King and someone else fights Queen.

 

[LadyVados]

It leaves Zoro to deal with a real threat such as the Yonko 😁

 

[Kishido]

Disappointed for Zoro and Sanji.

And while Jinbe is far more likely now I expect Jack to go down before Jinbe fighting a Flying 6 like Sasaki

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Stop. Oda will never portray either Zoro, Sanji, or Jinbe significantly above the other 2. They’re clearly meant to be Luffy’s commanders.

Disagreeing.

Jinbe will be a noticeable level below soon

 

[Jackteo]

I've come up with the perfect matchups:
- Zoro and WsW vs King: WsW wants to kill one of the calamities
- Sanji and Drake vs Queen: Queen wants to kill one of the Tobi Roppo, i hope he discovered his true motives. Sanji and Drake are both currently missing.
- Jinbe and Sasaki vs Jack: they are all fishman and Sasaki wanted to defeat a calamity

I expect SZJ to fight againg Drake, WsW and Sasaki at first, just to team up after a bit against their respective opponent. At some point the calamities are going to defeat WsW, Drake and Sasaki and we are going to have our 3 perfect 1 vs 1.
And i just notices that King and Jack were the one agreeing on fight whoever caught Yamato, and WsW and Sasaki were the only Tobi Roppo who were really amazed :cheers:

They are so perfect

 

[BangOO🍅]

I've come up with the perfect matchups:
- Zoro and WsW vs King: WsW wants to kill one of the calamities
- Sanji and Drake vs Queen: Queen wants to kill one of the Tobi Roppo, i hope he discovered his true motives. Sanji and Drake are both currently missing.
- Jinbe and Sasaki vs Jack: they are all fishman and Sasaki wanted to defeat a calamity

I expect SZJ to fight againg Drake, WsW and Sasaki at first, just to team up after a bit against their respective opponent. At some point the calamities are going to defeat WsW, Drake and Sasaki and we are going to have our 3 perfect 1 vs 1.
And i just notices that King and Jack were the one agreeing on fight whoever caught Yamato, and WsW and Sasaki were the only Tobi Roppo who were really amazed :cheers:

They are so perfect

Just want to give you my point.
Who'Who and Sasaki is having a smoke with King, so i assuming both of Who'Who and Sasaki got defeated by King or tortured in prison by King, and they commit to join the Beast Pirates.

With Ulti, because she trashtalking Queen, i assume she had the same issues like Who'Who and Sasaki. But the person who defeated/tortured her is Queen. So i assume Ulti and Page One had a grudge against Queen.

With X-Drake, we knew he willingly to join the beast pirates by defeating Scotch.
And we dont know anything about Black Maria so far.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

I've come up with the perfect matchups:
- Zoro and WsW vs King: WsW wants to kill one of the calamities
- Sanji and Drake vs Queen: Queen wants to kill one of the Tobi Roppo, i hope he discovered his true motives. Sanji and Drake are both currently missing.
- Jinbe and Sasaki vs Jack: they are all fishman and Sasaki wanted to defeat a calamity

The problem is that they want to defeat a Calamity in order to take their place, but helping Zoro and Jinbe may mean no Beasts Pirates anymore and therefore no more Calamity place. It sounds too risky.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

I've come up with the perfect matchups:
- Zoro and WsW vs King: WsW wants to kill one of the calamities
- Sanji and Drake vs Queen: Queen wants to kill one of the Tobi Roppo, i hope he discovered his true motives. Sanji and Drake are both currently missing.
- Jinbe and Sasaki vs Jack: they are all fishman and Sasaki wanted to defeat a calamity

I expect SZJ to fight againg Drake, WsW and Sasaki at first, just to team up after a bit against their respective opponent. At some point the calamities are going to defeat WsW, Drake and Sasaki and we are going to have our 3 perfect 1 vs 1.
And i just notices that King and Jack were the one agreeing on fight whoever caught Yamato, and WsW and Sasaki were the only Tobi Roppo who were really amazed :cheers:

They are so perfect

Not gonna happen, The alliance has so many strong characters that need 1v1 fights so Who’s who and Sasaki have to remain as bad guys.