Powers & Abilities Could it be that Zoro actually did go all out in dressrosa? Zoro doesn't know how to use asura
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He used a secret art to cut the krakken as well. In fact he used A NEW secret art to cut the krakken. Unlike with pica where he recycled an ability from East blue.
What about Sanzen Sekai? How come Zoro took 400 chapters to use his "best move"?
So you haven't learned anything.
Do you want to learn? If you do then we can set up a monetary exchange so that I can take time to teach you.
@WesMidnight
Asura is a 9 sword style mode.
What are you talking about.
The same way there's no Three sword style version of Shishi son son, there's no 9 sword style version of Onigiri
It's not like gear fourth obviously. It's a mode that creates an entirely new fighting style. Hence the name 9 sword style.
It's not called " 3 sword style kaoiken X 3" like you're implying. The same way 3 sword style isnt "1 sword style kaoiken X 3"
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What about Sanzen Sekai? How come Zoro took 400 chapters to use his "best move"?
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So you haven't learned anything.
Do you want to learn? If you do then we can set up a monetary exchange so that I can take time to teach you.
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@WesMidnight
Asura is a 9 sword style mode.
What are you talking about.
The same way there's no Three sword style version of Shishi son son, there's no 9 sword style version of Onigiri
It's not like gear fourth obviously. It's a mode that creates an entirely new fighting style. Hence the name 9 sword style.
It's not called " 3 sword style kaoiken X 3" like you're implying. The same way 3 sword style isnt "1 sword style kaoiken X 3"
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Everything you said means nothing because irrationality at it's finest. If you think your smart go right ahead, But i'm going to be laughing at how false you are.
Jozu has better durability? lol that's laughable. Dude got frozen and lost an arm. WB had hellva lot more done to him and was still going.
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Everything you said means nothing because irrationality at it's finest. If you think your smart go right ahead, But i'm going to be laughing at how false you are.
Jozu has better durability? lol that's laughable. Dude got frozen and lost an arm. WB had hellva lot more done to him and was still going.
@PurpleSwordsman
Look at this way, Zoro used TWO attacks on pica.
Zoro used Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai (ISDS) on the Golem body. Then Zoro used Sanzen Sekai on Pica's body.
ISDS is the improved version of Sanzen Sekai. Sanzen Sekai being that move he used on Mihawk.
Zoro chose a weaker attack on Pica's actual body than the Golem body. As in Zoro HELD BACK on cutting Pica in half and killing him. He chose a weaker move.
And if you don't think ISDS is stronger than Sanzen Sekai then look at the English translation. Sanzen Sekai is "3 thousand worlds" and ISDS is "Greater 3 thousand words or 3 thousand Upon 3 thousand worlds"
So right there, you have clear proof that Zoro held back. It's the Equivalent of Zoro using Shishi sonson on someone when we know he can do Shi shishi sonson, the improved version.
And besides that point, there's the fact that Zoro has OTHER secret abilities. Zoro uses an ability called "Secret technique, crossing of six paths" on the Kraken.
This is a secret technique he used in chapter 610 or so, same as Sanzen sekai he used on Mihawk in chapter 50. There's nearly 600 chapters between his first secret technique, Sanzen Sekai, and his second secret technique Crossing of six paths.
There's no proof whatsoever that Sanzen Sekai is stronger than Crossing of Six paths. They are both secret techniques and Crossing of six paths was seemingly developed 600 chapters AFTER Sanzen Sekai.
So aside from Asura being stronger than Sanzen sekai, it's actually arguable that crossing of six paths is also stronger. And we know for a fact that Zoro held back from killing Pica because ISDS is DEFINITELY stronger than Sanzen Sekai which he used to finish pica
Look at this way, Zoro used TWO attacks on pica.
Zoro used Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai (ISDS) on the Golem body. Then Zoro used Sanzen Sekai on Pica's body.
ISDS is the improved version of Sanzen Sekai. Sanzen Sekai being that move he used on Mihawk.
Zoro chose a weaker attack on Pica's actual body than the Golem body. As in Zoro HELD BACK on cutting Pica in half and killing him. He chose a weaker move.
And if you don't think ISDS is stronger than Sanzen Sekai then look at the English translation. Sanzen Sekai is "3 thousand worlds" and ISDS is "Greater 3 thousand words or 3 thousand Upon 3 thousand worlds"
So right there, you have clear proof that Zoro held back. It's the Equivalent of Zoro using Shishi sonson on someone when we know he can do Shi shishi sonson, the improved version.
And besides that point, there's the fact that Zoro has OTHER secret abilities. Zoro uses an ability called "Secret technique, crossing of six paths" on the Kraken.
This is a secret technique he used in chapter 610 or so, same as Sanzen sekai he used on Mihawk in chapter 50. There's nearly 600 chapters between his first secret technique, Sanzen Sekai, and his second secret technique Crossing of six paths.
There's no proof whatsoever that Sanzen Sekai is stronger than Crossing of Six paths. They are both secret techniques and Crossing of six paths was seemingly developed 600 chapters AFTER Sanzen Sekai.
So aside from Asura being stronger than Sanzen sekai, it's actually arguable that crossing of six paths is also stronger. And we know for a fact that Zoro held back from killing Pica because ISDS is DEFINITELY stronger than Sanzen Sekai which he used to finish pica
No
It's not just Ashura it's all his demon soul stuff
I think he has gone all out with his own abilities and techniques if it makes sense but the demon power and shit that he can bring out of the sword has yet to be used and i don't believe Ashura by itself is a form anyway it's not like a gear if we wanna compare it all the weird demon techniques he used combined would maybe be his gear equivilant with Ashura being the strongest attack of it.
It's not just Ashura it's all his demon soul stuff
I think he has gone all out with his own abilities and techniques if it makes sense but the demon power and shit that he can bring out of the sword has yet to be used and i don't believe Ashura by itself is a form anyway it's not like a gear if we wanna compare it all the weird demon techniques he used combined would maybe be his gear equivilant with Ashura being the strongest attack of it.
Oh Look Im immalv I can make shit post to somebody!
One Stat! Man! One Stat!
Good for fucking you.
Everything you said means nothing because irrationality at it's finest. If you think your smart go right ahead, But i'm going to be laughing at how false you are.
Jozu has better durability? lol that's laughable. Dude got frozen and lost an arm. WB had hellva lot more done to him and was still going.
One Stat! Man! One Stat!
Good for fucking you.
Everything you said means nothing because irrationality at it's finest. If you think your smart go right ahead, But i'm going to be laughing at how false you are.
Jozu has better durability? lol that's laughable. Dude got frozen and lost an arm. WB had hellva lot more done to him and was still going.
thats endurance not durabilty
so @ImmaIvanoM is still right on that point.
and judging from ur last 2 post it seems u r the one who got salty and triggered not him
i think u should follow ur own advice man
. getting worked up like that from one of his post
so @ImmaIvanoM is still right on that point.
and judging from ur last 2 post it seems u r the one who got salty and triggered not him
i think u should follow ur own advice man
. getting worked up like that from one of his post
thats endurance not durabilty
so @ImmaIvanoM is still right on that point.
and judging from ur last 2 post it seems u r the one who got salty and triggered not him
i think u should follow ur own advice man. getting worked up like that from one of his post
so @ImmaIvanoM is still right on that point.
and judging from ur last 2 post it seems u r the one who got salty and triggered not him
i think u should follow ur own advice man. getting worked up like that from one of his post
How much you can endure and how durable are you. Two sides of the coin.
If Zoro is relative to Luffy then Pica being strong enough to fight him would mean Pica is relative to doffy and that cannot happen.
Oda cannot have many other crews outside the straw hats have the dynamic of Zoro being relative to Luffy or Rayleigh relative to Roger or Beckman relative to shanks. These are arguable but there's a reason why they are arguable. Oda is setting up a theme that these crews are special and similar.
Zoro would have to get nerfed pre time skip style and then fight Pica because there's no way Pica should be near doffy. Doffy's crew isn't one of the chosen special crews.
Also Zoro held back from killing pica. He used ISDS on the the golem body and then scaled down to sanzen sekai on pica
Zoro wasn't severely damaged during the Kaki fight.
I mean he was damaged but it wasn't "severe" at least on Zoro standards
How many years is there between Chapter 50 and when Zoro used Sanzen Sekai in thriller bark. There's about 400 chapters in the middle.
There's about 480 chapters between now and sabaody archipelago when Zoro last used Asura
Oda cannot have many other crews outside the straw hats have the dynamic of Zoro being relative to Luffy or Rayleigh relative to Roger or Beckman relative to shanks. These are arguable but there's a reason why they are arguable. Oda is setting up a theme that these crews are special and similar.
Zoro would have to get nerfed pre time skip style and then fight Pica because there's no way Pica should be near doffy. Doffy's crew isn't one of the chosen special crews.
Also Zoro held back from killing pica. He used ISDS on the the golem body and then scaled down to sanzen sekai on pica
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Zoro wasn't severely damaged during the Kaki fight.
I mean he was damaged but it wasn't "severe" at least on Zoro standards
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How many years is there between Chapter 50 and when Zoro used Sanzen Sekai in thriller bark. There's about 400 chapters in the middle.
There's about 480 chapters between now and sabaody archipelago when Zoro last used Asura
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thats not how Durabilty works. i would rather not derail this thread and i dont think i need to explain elementary terms we use in Vs fights.
in layman terms:
Jozu is harder to damage but easier to kill> High Dura-low endurance
WB is easier to damage but harder to kill> low Dura-High Endurance
not interested if Papazuki can 1shot Jozu or he needs 100shots debate. bringing up specific ability and how that affectswith different character isnt going to change the definition of durability and endurance. my initial reply was about dura and endurance of WB/Jozu
in layman terms:
Jozu is harder to damage but easier to kill> High Dura-low endurance
WB is easier to damage but harder to kill> low Dura-High Endurance
not interested if Papazuki can 1shot Jozu or he needs 100shots debate. bringing up specific ability and how that affectswith different character isnt going to change the definition of durability and endurance. my initial reply was about dura and endurance of WB/Jozu
No Shit. I said two sides of the same coin. Do you get that? They're similar but obviously different.
Whitebeard is a Yonko, Their durability, unlike what some may claim, are near the tip top of the world.
Same with Endurance.
Whitebeard at Marineford was sick and on his deathbed, To make statements about that where he is his weakest. Is not smart dude.
Whitebeard is a Yonko, Their durability, unlike what some may claim, are near the tip top of the world.
Same with Endurance.
Whitebeard at Marineford was sick and on his deathbed, To make statements about that where he is his weakest. Is not smart dude.
thanks for the heads up but i was just supporting one of @ImmaIvanoM claim (dura/endurance one)
its past 4 am here. i would rather not get into debate about what is durability and what is endurance
on a side note: this reminds me how low temp can Kuzan achieve? can he go close to Absolute 0? also how much does the decreasing the temperature affect Durability of living things and objects?
can u please go back and read my initial reply? we are not talking about a hypothetical Prime Beard here. we are talking about the one we saw in action aka MF Beard. and that man didnt have high durability.
thats the whole point. also i was talking about two terms: "Dura" and "Endurance". not about how high is WB or jozu is in tier list or who can tank a heat based damage or cold based damage better.
and this part isnt even worth responding
its not ppl's claim. we have on panel feats of WB having low dura. as for Prime B thats a whole other thing that we dont know. not interested in arguing about unknowns
so far only 2 yonko have shown high dura. and other 3 of have shown low dura. Dura was never important in One Piece. Endurance plays far better role in this Manga and Mangaka focuses on endurance a lot to show a char's will power.
to save the trouble of u mentioning random stuffs:
1. Roger: Died to 2 fodders stabbing him
2. WB: fooders made Beehive in him
3. Garp: Fodders damaged him
4. Shanks: lost his hand to a sea king
5. BB: got injured by Luffy
thats 5 of the toppest in the world who doesnt have insane dura going for them.
so far among top tiers we have only 2 comfirm case of high dura: BM and Kaido. Oden might count in this group too.
not sure about the logia admirals due to their df properties. not sure about other top tiers that i didnt mention as we havent much of them
TL;DR: Durability: Dofla >>>WB
in Combat: WB sneezes in his grave and Dofla dies in Impel down
its past 4 am here. i would rather not get into debate about what is durability and what is endurance
on a side note: this reminds me how low temp can Kuzan achieve? can he go close to Absolute 0? also how much does the decreasing the temperature affect Durability of living things and objects?
can u please go back and read my initial reply? we are not talking about a hypothetical Prime Beard here. we are talking about the one we saw in action aka MF Beard. and that man didnt have high durability.
thats the whole point. also i was talking about two terms: "Dura" and "Endurance". not about how high is WB or jozu is in tier list or who can tank a heat based damage or cold based damage better.
and this part isnt even worth responding
its not ppl's claim. we have on panel feats of WB having low dura. as for Prime B thats a whole other thing that we dont know. not interested in arguing about unknowns
so far only 2 yonko have shown high dura. and other 3 of have shown low dura. Dura was never important in One Piece. Endurance plays far better role in this Manga and Mangaka focuses on endurance a lot to show a char's will power.
to save the trouble of u mentioning random stuffs:
1. Roger: Died to 2 fodders stabbing him
2. WB: fooders made Beehive in him
3. Garp: Fodders damaged him
4. Shanks: lost his hand to a sea king
5. BB: got injured by Luffy
thats 5 of the toppest in the world who doesnt have insane dura going for them.
so far among top tiers we have only 2 comfirm case of high dura: BM and Kaido. Oden might count in this group too.
not sure about the logia admirals due to their df properties. not sure about other top tiers that i didnt mention as we havent much of them
TL;DR: Durability: Dofla >>>WB
in Combat: WB sneezes in his grave and Dofla dies in Impel down
thanks for the heads up but i was just supporting one of @ImmaIvanoM claim (dura/endurance one)
its past 4 am here. i would rather not get into debate about what is durability and what is endurance
on a side note: this reminds me how low temp can Kuzan achieve? can he go close to Absolute 0? also how much does the decreasing the temperature affect Durability of living things and objects?
can u please go back and read my initial reply? we are not talking about a hypothetical Prime Beard here. we are talking about the one we saw in action aka MF Beard. and that man didnt have high durability.
thats the whole point. also i was talking about to terms: "Dura" and "Endurance". not about how high is WB or jozu is in tier list or who can tank a heat based damage or cold based damage better.
and this part isnt even worth responding
its not ppl's claim. we have on panel feats of WB having low dura. as for Prime B thats a whole other thing that we dont know. not interested in arguing about unknowns
so far only 2 yonko have shown high dura. and other 3 of have shown low dura. Dura was never important in One Piece. Endurance plays far better role in this Manga and Mangaka focuses on endurance a lot to show a char's will power.
to save the trouble of u mentioning random stuffs:
1. Roger: Died to 2 fodders stabbing him
2. WB: fooders made Beehive in him
3. Garp: Fodders damaged him
4. Shanks: lost his hand to a sea king
5. BB: got injured by Luffy
thats 5 of the toppest in the world ho doesnt have insane dura going for them.
so far among top tiers we have only 2 comfirm case of high dura: BM and Kaido. Oden might count in this group too.
not sure about the logia admirals due to their df properties. not sure about other top tiers that i didnt mention as we havent much of them
TL;DR: Durability: Dofla >>>WB
in Combat: WB sneezes in his grave and Dofla dies in Impel down
its past 4 am here. i would rather not get into debate about what is durability and what is endurance
on a side note: this reminds me how low temp can Kuzan achieve? can he go close to Absolute 0? also how much does the decreasing the temperature affect Durability of living things and objects?
can u please go back and read my initial reply? we are not talking about a hypothetical Prime Beard here. we are talking about the one we saw in action aka MF Beard. and that man didnt have high durability.
thats the whole point. also i was talking about to terms: "Dura" and "Endurance". not about how high is WB or jozu is in tier list or who can tank a heat based damage or cold based damage better.
and this part isnt even worth responding
its not ppl's claim. we have on panel feats of WB having low dura. as for Prime B thats a whole other thing that we dont know. not interested in arguing about unknowns
so far only 2 yonko have shown high dura. and other 3 of have shown low dura. Dura was never important in One Piece. Endurance plays far better role in this Manga and Mangaka focuses on endurance a lot to show a char's will power.
to save the trouble of u mentioning random stuffs:
1. Roger: Died to 2 fodders stabbing him
2. WB: fooders made Beehive in him
3. Garp: Fodders damaged him
4. Shanks: lost his hand to a sea king
5. BB: got injured by Luffy
thats 5 of the toppest in the world ho doesnt have insane dura going for them.
so far among top tiers we have only 2 comfirm case of high dura: BM and Kaido. Oden might count in this group too.
not sure about the logia admirals due to their df properties. not sure about other top tiers that i didnt mention as we havent much of them
TL;DR: Durability: Dofla >>>WB
in Combat: WB sneezes in his grave and Dofla dies in Impel down
Do we have an understanding?