Controversial General Political Discussion

[Reborn]

And I agree. And more concerning is that BJP has mastered this tactic.

You may want to read this book by an Indian author Swati Chaturvedi in 2016:

I Am a Troll: Inside the Secret World of the BJP's Digital Army

Summary:

I Am a Troll: Inside the Secret World of the BJP's Digital Army by Swati Chaturvedi exposes the BJP's organized use of social media to manipulate public discourse. The book reveals how the party's IT cell orchestrates coordinated trolling campaigns, targeting critics with abuse and misinformation. Sadhavi Khosla, a former volunteer, provides insider testimony on directives to attack dissenters and trend specific hashtags. Chaturvedi highlights that Prime Minister Modi follows several abusive accounts, suggesting tacit endorsement. The book underscores the impact on democratic dialogue, where dissent is suppressed through digital intimidation. For her courageous reporting, Chaturvedi received the RSF Press Freedom Award in 2018.

In addition, check out European Disinfo Lab's report on Indian disinfo campaign:

Indian Chronicles: deep dive into a 15-year operation targeting the EU and UN to serve Indian interests


Summary:

The operation’s mission is to discredit nations in conflict with India in Asia, in particular Pakistan but also China to a lesser extent. Its long-term objective is:

• In India, to reinforce pro-Indian and anti-Pakistan (and anti-Chinese) feelings.
• Internationally, to consolidate the power and improve the perception of India, to damage the reputation of other countries and ultimately benefit from more support from international institutions such as the EU and the UN.

Also, do some research on:

How indian moderators influence content on Twitter/X

Summary:
Indian moderators hired by social media platforms like X (formerly Twitter) play a significant role in content moderation, impacting what users see and what is removed from the platform.
The problem is, X is outsourcing moderation from Indian cells (because they are cheap). And it has consequences; killing emerging trends that go against Indian narrative, modifying Grok responses, fooling fact checks, and so on.

More on this here:

https://www.techpolicy.press/how-pl...-escalating-harm-in-the-indiapakistan-crisis/


While it is a global problem, India is the epicenter of this issue.

Ready to debate further if you are willing to do so. 👍🏻

Epicenter? That's a reach

How many years since India or Pakistan or similarly situated countries got independence?

War of narratives precede that.


West has global media dominance.

West has global tech companies

West is governing the social media platforms


West has academia institutions with global presence - and, now a hub for global issues.

West poke their noses in other people businesses.

And, they are doing so for a long time.


China has state controlled media, social platforms, web and economy outreach through its BRI.

And, you say India is at the epicenter?

India just like your country or any other emerging countries are rising players in the war of narratives. We are simply rising faster.



But this isn't the point I wanted to make.

Just like you quoted some sources, I can do the same.

we all can do it in Israel vs Palestine, Russia va Ukraine and so on.

It's tit for tat.

Our ancestors did it, we are doing it and our future generations would do the same - because issues and wars aren't going anywhere

Because what we are doing is playing the role of "agent" of the narratives.

It's funny when you see a bunch of Indian accounts praise Giorgia Meloni under her tweets in perfect Italian.

Glad some of my people were able to make you laugh

 

[notAfanboy]

Our ancestors did it, we are doing it and our future generations would do the same - because issues and wars aren't going anywhere

Because what we are doing is playing the role of "agent" of the narratives.

True, I agree.

I called India the epicenter because most of the social media moderation centers are now in India, especially Hyderabad. And also because of its 1.5 billion population. China is comparable, but Chinese are not as active on social media platforms as Indians.
We already know West's tactics, but the social media took the narrative wars to next level. According to me, India is winning in this regard. Just my opinion.

By the way, Pakistan's Imran Khan was doing the same as BJP; manipulating youth through twitter trends and social media. However, security forces closed their social media wing, arrested social media team, and banned twitter for some time.

Sadly, the scale of these operations is so big that no matter what you do, common people are sure to be influenced by it.


And... this is the reason USA is trying to get rid of TikTok.

You are right, winners write history and their narrative is also accepted. But we are experiencing it in real time, and those who are aware of this war front, can tell the difference. I would argue that even those who know the difference will still be obliged to follow the forced narrative because of their affiliations, history, and loyalty to respective parties.

And this is where terms like traitor, terrorist sympathizer, and apologist are used.

We are cooked either way.

 

[Reborn]

True, I agree.

I called India the epicenter because most of the social media moderation centers are now in India, especially Hyderabad. And also because of its 1.5 billion population. China is comparable, but Chinese are not as active on social media platforms as Indians.
We already know West's tactics, but the social media took the narrative wars to next level. According to me, India is winning in this regard. Just my opinion.

By the way, Pakistan's Imran Khan was doing the same as BJP; manipulating youth through twitter trends and social media. However, security forces closed their social media wing, arrested social media team, and banned twitter for some time.

Sadly, the scale of these operations is so big that no matter what you do, common people are sure to be influenced by it.


And... this is the reason USA is trying to get rid of TikTok.

You are right, winners write history and their narrative is also accepted. But we are experiencing it in real time, and those who are aware of this war front, can tell the difference. I would argue that even those who know the difference will still be obliged to follow the forced narrative because of their affiliations, history, and loyalty to respective parties.

And this is where terms like traitor, terrorist sympathizer, and apologist are used.

We are cooked either way.

I can assure you one thing - Indians do praise few things about Pakistan - food, similarity in culture and so on.


When BLA - (if I am not wrong Balochistan comprises nearly 40% of Pakistan total area), recently proclaimed Independence from Pakistan and seeked India's help against your own government - we refused saying it's Pakistan internal affairs.


The narratives in Pakistan is not our concern tbh. You can do whatever you like.

Bigger concerns are how a terrorist who beheaded US journalist Daniel pearl was roaming free in Pakistan?

How terror organization who openly took responsibility of hijack of our plane and attack on the parliament was operating openly in the Pakistan?

How Osama was found in the Pakistan?

Why US sneaked into Pakistan to kill Osama without notifying Pakistan own government?

Are you telling me Pakistan authorities are unaware of these organizations - who are versed in combats? How can a state be unaware of these individuals who are working openly?

I saw videos of these individuals giving speeches from your own backyard.


I myself saw video of army giving state funerals to these terrorists.

I, myself saw Pakistani Defense Minister openly admitting on live tv - that Pakistan funded and supported terror organizations for 3 decades and used them as proxies.

Then, how come your state not cracking down on them?

And, these are US wanted terrorists - UN wanted terrorists I am talking about.


With Pakistan, it's never about narrative war- you can have that - but your own authorities not cracking down on these individuals, who on air took responsibilities of terror attacks on India is the massive concern.

And, this is the biggest bone of contention from India's side.

If these terrorists operate openly and your state is aware yet doesn't do anything despite fully knowing, that their cells openly took responsibility of terror attacks, then what should we infer from this?

 

[notAfanboy]

I can assure you one thing - Indians do praise few things about Pakistan - food, similarity in culture and so on.


When BLA - (if I am not wrong Balochistan comprises nearly 40% of Pakistan total area), recently proclaimed Independence from Pakistan and seeked India's help against your own government - we refused saying it's Pakistan internal affairs.


The narratives in Pakistan is not our concern tbh. You can do whatever you like.

Bigger concerns are how a terrorists who beheaded Daniel pearl was roaming free in Pakistan?

How terror organization who openly took responsibility of hijack of our plane and attack on the parliament was operation openly in the Pakistan?

How Osama was found in the Pakistan?

Why US sneaked into Pakistan to kill Osama without notifying Pakistan own government?

Are you telling me Pakistan authorities are unaware of these organizations - who are versed in combats? How can a state be unaware of these individuals working openly? I, myself saw videos of these individuals giving speeches.


I, myself saw video of army giving state funerals to these terrorists.

I, myself saw Pakistani Defense Minister openly admitting on live tv - that Pakistan funded and supported terror organizations for 3 decades.


With Pakistan, it's never about narrative war- you can have that - but your own authorities not cracking down on these individuals who on air took responsibilities of terror attacks on India.

Are we starting this again?
Dont you ever get tired of these shitty arguments?

Who supported BLA in the first place? What Kalbushan Yadav was doing in Balochistan and why is he still in Pakistan's custody?
Why India helped BLA in Jaffar Express attack?
Why BLA injured terrorist is under medical treatment in India?
Why India admitted to their plan of separating Bangladesh from Pakistan?
Why Indian government officials are siding with and helping Talibans, who are doing terrorism in Pakistan?
Why your government officials say we will use Talibans to do terrorist activity in Pakistan?
Why the butcher of Gujrat was stopped from entering USA?
Why RSS men, who admitted that they burned Muslims alive, were freed without any charge under BJP government?
Why dont you ask BJP how RSS was inspired by Nazi SS?
Why a terrorist like Modi your Prime Minister?
Why India is building dams on Pakistani side of rivers?
Why Punjabis are raising their voice for Khalistan?
Why India killed Punjabi activists in Canada?
What's India north south divide? Why Hindu belt is hated in India? Care to explain?

Centre forcibly deports 43 Rohingya refugees by abandoning them in international waters: Plea in Supreme Court
Source; Indian Express

The questions you asked have already been answered, Google is your friend. Most of our mistakes stem from being proxy of USA in Afghanistan against Russia. But we have made progress, not in FATF grey list anymore. It happened after USA withdrawal from Afghanistan, and without that it would not have been possible.
And it is the same USA that your current government is bending knees to. You cant oppose super powers.
China just declared Arunachal Pardesh as Zangnan. Why dont you go and fight China? Or you just want to bully weaker opponents? What are you going to do about your defeat against China?
Why turn silent when it comes to China?
The same happened with us when USA came to Afghanistan. We had to pay the price, and we are still paying the price to date. And this is the reason USA still supports Pakistan despite India's geopolitical advantage.


I thought you would be a bit more sensible after our earlier discussion. But you are back to your BJP Hinduvta narrative.

These things cannot be discussed in vaccume, especially because everything is related to each other. And I dont think a BJP andhbakt like you has any intellectual capacity to understand these complex issues.


I dont like toxicity, but if this is what you want, be my guest as I take sips from the fantastic tea. Want some?

 

[Reborn]

Are we starting this again?
Dont you ever get tired of these shitty arguments?

Who supported BLA in the first place? What Kalbushan Yadav was doing in Balochistan and why is he still in Pakistan's custody?
Why India helped BLA in Jaffar Express attack?
Why BLA injured terrorist is under medical treatment in India?
Why India admitted to their plan of separating Bangladesh from Pakistan?
Why Indian government officials are siding with and helping Talibans, who are doing terrorism in Pakistan?
Why your government officials say we will use Talibans to do terrorist activity in Pakistan?
Why the butcher of Gujrat was stopped from entering USA?
Why RSS men, who admitted that they burned Muslims alive, were freed without any charge under BJP government?
Why dont you ask BJP how RSS was inspired by Nazi SS?
Why a terrorist like Modi your Prime Minister?
Why India is building dams on Pakistani side of rivers?
Why Punjabis are raising their voice for Khalistan?
Why India killed Punjabi activists in Canada?
What's India north south divide? Why Hindu belt is hated in India? Care to explain?

Centre forcibly deports 43 Rohingya refugees by abandoning them in international waters: Plea in Supreme Court
Source; Indian Express

The questions you asked have already been answered, Google is your friend. Most of our mistakes stem from being proxy of USA in Afghanistan against Russia. But we have made progress, not in FATF grey list anymore. It happened after USA withdrawal from Afghanistan, and without that it would not have been possible.
And it is the same USA that your current government is bending knees to. You cant oppose super powers.
China just declared Arunachal Pardesh as Zangnan. Why dont you go and fight China? Or you just want to bully weaker opponents? What are you going to do about your defeat against China?
Why turn silent when it comes to China?
The same happened with us when USA came to Afghanistan. We had to pay the price, and we are still paying the price to date. And this is the reason USA still supports Pakistan despite India's geopolitical advantage.


I thought you would be a bit more sensible after our earlier discussion. But you are back to your BJP Hinduvta narrative.

These things cannot be discussed in vaccume, especially because everything is related to each other. And I dont think a BJP andhbakt like you has any intellectual capacity to understand these complex issues.


I dont like toxicity, but if this is what you want, be my guest as I take sips from the fantastic tea. Want some?

Passive - aggression coupled with personal comments /attacks are signs of defensive mechanisms.

We are done

 

[notAfanboy]

Passive - aggression and personal comments are signs of defensive mechanisms.

We are done

Nah buddy, I am aggressive-aggressive.

You backed out from discussion twice now.

If you dont have the courage to answer tough questions, then perhaps dont ask tough questions?

See, you andhbakhts want to portray soft image of India to the world. That's why I brougut your misinformation cells and called India-BJP the epicenter of it.

Forget about Pakistan, your inhumae act of dumping alive humans, children included, in the ocean.
It is your own news channel's report, and Indian supreme court is hearing the case.

Here read this:

A fresh writ petition has been filed in the Supreme Court claiming that 43 Rohingya refugees were detained by the police and forcibly deported by the Indian government to Myanmar via Port Blair. The petition said the batch of refugees, including women, children and elderlies, were abandoned in the international waters, Live Law reports.

If this is happening in broad day light, what your intelligence agencies and government would be doing in the background?

One more, what about the active muslim officer Col. Sofia?

BJP minister labels Indian army spokesperson Colonel Sofia Qureshi 'sister of terrorists'

This is hate for Muslims by BJP and andhbakts like you.

The world has started to notice and you will soon see the consequences. Dont start crying when that happens and say Hindus are threatened.

 

[Reborn]

I just don’t see how anyone can see and hear about Israel bombing Palestinian schools and hospitals under the guise of rooting out the same terrorists they helped create and think they have the moral high ground, it drives me up the fucking wall…it’s a nuanced situation, and of course I want Jews to have a place to call their own, but we were nomads for centuries and that sliver of land is meaningful to multiple religions, so to act as though we’re the only ones who can lay claim is just asinine in my opinion.

You are too good of a person

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Nah buddy, I am aggressive-aggressive.

You backed out from discussion twice now.

If you dont have the courage to answer tough questions, then perhaps dont ask tough questions?

See, you andhbakhts want to portray soft image of India to the world. That's why I brougut your misinformation cells and called India-BJP the epicenter of it.

Forget about Pakistan, your inhumae act of dumping alive humans, children included, in the ocean.
It is your own news channel's report, and Indian supreme court is hearing the case.

Here read this:

A fresh writ petition has been filed in the Supreme Court claiming that 43 Rohingya refugees were detained by the police and forcibly deported by the Indian government to Myanmar via Port Blair. The petition said the batch of refugees, including women, children and elderlies, were abandoned in the international waters, Live Law reports.

If this is happening in broad day light, what your intelligence agencies and government would be doing in the background?

One more, what about the active muslim officer Col. Sofia?

BJP minister labels Indian army spokesperson Colonel Sofia Qureshi 'sister of terrorists'

This is hate for Muslims by BJP and andhbakts like you.

The world has started to notice and you will soon see the consequences. Dont start crying when that happens and say Hindus are threatened.

I still remember when German media explained India's strange love for Hitler and Nazis as more of a curiosity and with ''they don't really know what happened because they're from a different continent and are being misled by the Nazi's use of the swastika because it's a positive symbol in their culture".
Essentially it was not taken seriously because India wasn't seen as anything but the cute Bollywood nation with funny accent who sing and shake their heads all the time and they're also still feeding off their old peace love and omm Gandhi hippie image.
India played the whole world and westerners are too naive to see what India is really doing, or what China is doing. The day westerners get off their high post colonial horses is a good day because it finally allows them to see the world for what it is.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Can anybody explain the change of stance of Keir Starmer regarding immigration?

 

[Mathias]

What do you mean change ? Starmer is a crypto-conservative. What did you actually expect ?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

You are too good of a person

I don’t think I am, but I also don’t think it requires a full moral compass to know that genocide is inherently unacceptable regardless of whether or not your people are the victims or the perpetrators

 

[Reborn]

I don’t think I am, but I also don’t think it requires a full moral compass to know that genocide is inherently unacceptable regardless of whether or not your people are the victims or the perpetrators

Pm

 

[notAfanboy]

I still remember when German media explained India's strange love for Hitler and Nazis as more of a curiosity and with ''they don't really know what happened because they're from a different continent and are being misled by the Nazi's use of the swastika because it's a positive symbol in their culture".
Essentially it was not taken seriously because India wasn't seen as anything but the cute Bollywood nation with funny accent who sing and shake their heads all the time and they're also still feeding off their old peace love and omm Gandhi hippie image.
India played the whole world and westerners are too naive to see what India is really doing, or what China is doing. The day westerners get off their high post colonial horses is a good day because it finally allows them to see the world for what it is.

Yeah, that is true.

Even here, look at this Reborn guy.
He is trying to convince a Jew that having sympathy for civillians is "too good" for you. You have to have that anger inside you for Muslims. Connect the dots.


Now he is asking him to come to private messages because he cant explain his BJP agenda (an RSS backed political party that was inspired by Nazi SS).
Will try to sell him his narrative, explain how Muslims are threat to the world, and how Hindus also faced genocide (they are trying so hard to force this narrative).

Do you remember Tejas? He is that kind of guy.

And Bollywood used to be good, but now it is full of agenda, narrative building, and brainwashing content.
Here is an example:
Producers Are Now In A Frenzy To Make A Film On 'Operation Sindoor', Race To Register The Title Begins!
Source
This is the operation where they attacked Pakistan and lost aerial battle, but will present is as a win againat Muslim nation.

It is through this kind of brainwash that Modi has secured his 3rd term as prime minister. Why would they stop?
This narrative building is on every front, movies, social media, the celebrities are forced to post in favor of BJP in the name of Hinduvta, internet trolls suppress every dissident, and so on.

Other countries may not know what is happening in India, but we as immediate neighbours know what is going on here.

 

[Reborn]

*yawn*

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[AL sama]

don't get yourself banned for no reason

 

[Reborn]

don't get yourself banned for no reason

Stop censoring, Lil AL

Let people speak

 

[AL sama]

Stop censoring, Lil AL

Let people speak

shut up bon-bon

 

[Reborn]

shut up bon-bon

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Yeah, that is true.

Even here, look at this Reborn guy.
He is trying to convince a Jew that having sympathy for civillians is "too good" for you. You have to have that anger inside you for Muslims. Connect the dots.


Now he is asking him to come to private messages because he cant explain his BJP agenda (an RSS backed political party that was inspired by Nazi SS).
Will try to sell him his narrative, explain how Muslims are threat to the world, and how Hindus also faced genocide (they are trying so hard to force this narrative).

Do you remember Tejas? He is that kind of guy.

And Bollywood used to be good, but now it is full of agenda, narrative building, and brainwashing content.
Here is an example:
Producers Are Now In A Frenzy To Make A Film On 'Operation Sindoor', Race To Register The Title Begins!
Source
This is the operation where they attacked Pakistan and lost aerial battle, but will present is as a win againat Muslim nation.

It is through this kind of brainwash that Modi has secured his 3rd term as prime minister. Why would they stop?
This narrative building is on every front, movies, social media, the celebrities are forced to post in favor of BJP in the name of Hinduvta, internet trolls suppress every dissident, and so on.

Other countries may not know what is happening in India, but we as immediate neighbours know what is going on here.

He's like a low key Tejas.

I wouldn't worry tho, my boy Jew D. Boy has strong convictions.

 

[Reborn]

Clown appearance