Powers & Abilities Why Zoro turning Enma into a blade blade symbolises surpassing Oden

T.D.A

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Kozuki Oden was a top tier level character. Someone who was ~ Yonkou level and the way Oda has continued to hype him post-flashback just re-emphasises this.

Due to his immense power ranking, some fans think Zoro surpassing Oden would be too much. This is probably because they've spent years underplaying Zoro's potential and some think he will barely reach Yonko Commander level if at all let alone Yonkou level lol.

Anyhow...

The biggest hint that Zoro is meant to surpass Oden is the fact that he has inherited Enma from Oden. Furthermore, Hitetsu specifically mentions how Enma hasn't yet turned into a black blade, and that by doing so its rank will increase. This is a deliberate benchmark added in for Zoro.

So why does turning a black blade signify Zoro surpassing Oden? Well let's look more closely at what Hitetsu said:



The key thing is Hitetsu says "Depending on you", that's the biggest giveaway that turning a sword into a black blade is dependent on the user's skill/power level. Otherwise, he could have said something like 'Its rank might yet be raised if it turns into a black blade.'

So the question arises why couldn't Oden turn his sword into a black blade? He was a top tier after all. That's because turning a sword into a black blade is no small feat, it's probably the pinnacle of CoA swordsmanship, hence why the only known person to do it is Ryuuma who's worshipped by Wano people. Mihawk could have too, and he just so happens to be the World's Greatest Swordsmen.

Some of you may now say well then what about Roger/Shanks, they didn't turn their swords in black blades either...

The answer to that is, the parallels between Oden and Zoro are more apparent compared with the other two. Just in terms of fighting style, Oden's two sword style is practically the same as Zoro's two sword style. Oden's haki sword attacks are basically the same as Zoro's and so on. So Oden is much more of a benchmark for Zoro to eclipse, and Zoro may indeed surpass Shanks, if Shanks = Mihawk.
 
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Desolate Smaug

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Nah Shanks > Mihawk.
And it's hard to see Zoro surpassing a guy with Kings haki, voice of all things and the ability to actually fight on par with Kaido. Enma has already been used extensively in tough battles, zoro blackening it would be a joint effort imo. Blackening wado should be the real feat since Zoro seems to be the first one to use it really extensively in high calibre battles.
 
Albino πŸ‘‘

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T.D.A said:
which is why it may not happen in Wano, though if Oda really sees the end in sight, then he could do it.
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Nah im just tryna ask if thats what you think or not?

Like if blackening a blade puts him over oden in your opinion would it put it over the other swordsman without a black blade either?
Whether or not you do im just curious
 
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Albino πŸ‘‘ said:
Nah im just tryna ask if thats what you think or not?

Like if blackening a blade puts him over oden in your opinion would it put it over the other swordsman without a black blade either?
Whether or not you do im just curious
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Right now, I'm inclining towards no. We know Zoro is going to visit Ryuuma's grave at the end of Wano. I have a feeling Zoro will communicate with Ryuuma himself there in a metaphysical realm, where we get to see Ryuuma's face for the first time. They will converse and Ryuuma will give him advice and I think that'll be the first key for Zoro before he reaches the black blade.
 
nik87

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Oden was indeed a top tier, comparable to Roger and Whitebeard.
Oden with Scabbards were perhaps the same what Shanks and his crew are today.
The gap between commander tiers is basically not existing, same as the gap between top tiers.

Also, the gap between commanders and top tiers isnt that great even if certain scenes want to tell us otherwise.
Since I already believe that Zoro is a top tier since TS ended, it is not an issue for him to surpass Oden.
However, surpassing Oden doesnt mean he is many times stronger, there is no such thing among top tiers...

Forging a black blade or dealing more damage to Kaido will be a clear hint that Zoro has surpassed Oden.
However, as mentioned, the difference is barely noticeable.
There are no possible power-ups that could make Zoro go from weaker than Oden to stronger than Oden if you think he isnt top tier.

Gol D. Roger said:
It's imperative that EOS Zoro will be at least as strong as if not stronger than Rayleigh, of course he's going to surpass Oden regardless of Enma's involvement.
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Why is Rayleigh a benchmark of Zoro's strength?
 
redkai72

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Desolate Smaug said:
Nah Shanks > Mihawk.
And it's hard to see Zoro surpassing a guy with Kings haki, voice of all things and the ability to actually fight on par with Kaido. Enma has already been used extensively in tough battles, zoro blackening it would be a joint effort imo. Blackening wado should be the real feat since Zoro seems to be the first one to use it really extensively in high calibre battles.
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Zero proof for Shanks > Mihawk
Only clear cut proof for Mihawk > Shanks
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Gol D. Roger said:
It's imperative that EOS Zoro will be at least as strong as if not stronger than Rayleigh, of course he's going to surpass Oden regardless of Enma's involvement.
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EOS Zoro will be stronger than Roger as the strongest swordsman that’s ever lived
 
Gol D. Roger

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nik87 said:
Rayleigh and Roger were both swordsmen while Luffy isnt.
You are comparing Zoro's strength to the weaker swordsman.
Even if there is barely any difference in strength between the two, the strongest possible swordsman is always the benchmark for Zoro.
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I did not say SH duo is an exact replica of Roger and Rayleigh, Did I? They parallel each other and the plot demands that Luffy and Zoro to be at least as strong as them to accomplish what they aspire to achieve which is why Rayleigh is a benchmark for Zoro like how Roger is a benchmark for Luffy. Rayleigh does not represent Zoro's peak, he's EOS Zoro's bare minimum.
 
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