Is jinbe gonna witness greatness soon?


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I don't know dude.

I have theories for Shiryu on how he can be made powerful.
But he just doesn't look promising enough to be Zoro opponent like Nasujuro , Mihawk , King.

Nor can I see him on even current zoro caliber. , He can be good CoO improvement Step tool.
The thing is at Zoros curent level you can't even stand 100m bear him and not get one shot without having at least either top tier defense or adv CoC.

Lucci got brutality crushed by a zoro who didn't even know he had advCoC.

Post Elbaf zoro will be a monster who can constantly use advCoC, he will likely make it is basic move making him an Emperor level fighter even without using KoH.

If shiryu doesn't at least possess strenght comparable to egghead zoro he stand zero chance against a stronger zoro invisibility or not.

Oda will give him not only a busted Awakening but likely advCoC too.

Roger and Rayleigh
Xebec and whitebeard
Luffy and Zoro
Whitebeard and Oden
Blackbeard and Shiryu.

AdvCoC is inevitable for shiryu not only explain how he broke through garp iron defense but solve how he would be able to fight zoro in the first place beside Awakening or his devil fruit will be instantly nuliffied by zoros haki
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I severely underestimated King before Oda gave him a free mera mera without drawbacks and the possibility to swap between the flash and a tank with minor drawbacks. I won't make the same mistake with Shiryu lol
Oda waited and waited do Kaido collect severals feats before confirming that King is tougher than him basically telling us that if King had advCoC he would be the strongest Creature instead.


Ben Beckman and shiryu are suffering of this too.

Oda gonna wait and wait then only after blackbeard collect his 200th feat that shiryu single fruit is stronger than either of blackbeard fruit individually since it's true name is the rarest paramecia or some bullshit.
 
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If shiryu doesn't at least possess strenght comparable to egghead zoro he stand zero chance against a stronger zoro invisibility or not.

Oda will give him not only a busted Awakening but likely advCoC too.
That's part what I'm trying to explain.
Shiryu can be a good stepping stool for CoO and Speed department.

Zoro - AP. DC. Endurance. Durablity is already near top tier.

It's the CoO and it's advanced Application. EITHER FUTURE SIGHT OR OBSERVATION KILLER. or something entirely new. Or Wado awakening.

Because no matter what. I don't see shiryu more durable than Lucci who was an awakened zoan.

Zoro would ragdoll him with simple Ryou attack.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Matt and Redboy are an example of strong haki when it comes to Shiryu. Keep it up, bois. :myman:



Shiryu can be a good stepping stool for CoO and Speed department.
I dont think Shiryu is either of those things.
He is the post-TS version of Kaku - overwhelming combat style.
Also he will represent the strongest body or rather 2nd strongest because Demon God is #1.
 
That's part what I'm trying to explain.
Shiryu can be a good stepping stool for CoO and Speed department.

Zoro - AP. DC. Endurance. Durablity is already near top tier.

It's the CoO and it's advanced Application. EITHER FUTURE SIGHT OR OBSERVATION KILLER. or something entirely new. Or Wado awakening.

Because no matter what. I don't see shiryu more durable than Lucci who was an awakened zoan.

Zoro would ragdoll him with simple Ryou attack.
Are you even reading yourself ? If shiryu can't even handle ryou zoro them zoro might just fight blackbeard while luffy go and take a nap?


Shiryus clear clear fruit is like shikis float float fruit.

Both fruit look weak and silly at first when in reality they are Top tier fruit that need someone very intelligent to reach its true potential.

You give absallom shikis fruit he will be floating and that is all same way he wasted the clear clear fruit.

You give shiryu shikis fruit he will be dropping Island like shiki that is how big the strenght will achieve when he awaken.
 
I dont think Shiryu is either of those things.
He is the post-TS version of Kaku - overwhelming combat style.
Also he will represent the strongest body or rather 2nd strongest because Demon God is #1.
His only attack and DF everything points to CoO and Speed improvement no matter how you see it.
Nothing about him right now is even remotely close to " Strongest Body ".


Are you even reading yourself ? If shiryu can't even handle ryou zoro them zoro might just fight blackbeard while luffy go and take a nap?
And are you reading yourself? Zoro was stronger than most his opponent post time skip. Oda always introduces a HAX for Zoro to over come.


Shiryus clear clear fruit is like shikis float float fruit.

Both fruit look weak and silly at first when in reality they are Top tier fruit that need someone very intelligent to reach its true potential.
No connection at all. Nobody ever Float float is Weak fruit whereas Clear clear though. With Awakening it could be busted but not now.

You're saying what I'm saying exactly , He would be CoO or Speed boost to zoro.


You give absallom shikis fruit he will be floating and that is all same way he wasted the clear clear fruit.

You give shiryu shikis fruit he will be dropping Island like shiki that is how big the strenght will achieve when he awaken.
You cannot randomly touch an object and make it float.
There are mastery level to a df.
Kaidou could Lift an Island while fighting everryone and Momo couldn't even do it for seconds.
Intelligence and Mastery are two different things.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
His only attack and DF everything points to CoO and Speed improvement no matter how you see it.
Nothing about him right now is even remotely close to " Strongest Body ".
King had way faster attacks and he wasnt "speed improvement".
Pica was the master of hide and seek and he wasnt "CoO improvement".
The only way to truly challenge Zoro is through superior haki which Shiryu doesnt have or through superior combat style.
Since Mihawk represents the challenge of superior haki, combat style will belong to Shiryu.

And since Zoro's firepower is now amped up to ridiculous levels, the opponent also need a protective mechanism to fight Zoro.
That's why Venus has a body that regenerates, even though I think he wont be able to rely on it but could take care of some opener attacks.
The strongest body is not the one that is tough or the one that regenerates but the one that cannot be harmed to begin with, that's Shiryu's main defensive strength which makes him virtually unbeatable if you are incapable of cutting nothingness.
I am also pretty sure that no other opponent of Zoro will have a DF fed to his weapon so that too will belong to Shiryu and his major offensive strength will be a combat style that is superior to Zoro's Santoryu.
 
King had way faster attacks and he wasnt "speed improvement".
Pica was the master of hide and seek and he wasnt "CoO improvement".
The only way to truly challenge Zoro is through superior haki which Shiryu doesnt have or through superior combat style.
Agreed but this something different , Clear clear fruit has no offensive capabilities but only Sneal and hide kind of ability. Removing the entire presence, that's where CoO comes in.
Base zoro is fast enough to Deal with King.
Zoro used other methods to restrict Pica. It was exactly speed feat.


And since Zoro's firepower is now amped up to ridiculous levels, the opponent also need a protective mechanism to fight Zoro.
That's why Venus has a body that regenerates, even though I think he wont be able to rely on it but could take care of some opener attacks.
Venus is himself a swordsman and can protect using sword and clash with it. Zoro isn't even as fast as nasujuro.


I am also pretty sure that no other opponent of Zoro will have a DF fed to his weapon so that too will belong to Shiryu and his major offensive strength will be a combat style that is superior to Zoro's Santoryu.
Still skeptical on his weapon getting a DF.
But given parallels of Luffy and Zoro opponents. He might.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
I would have accepted that if Zoro had such moment anywhere in the manga.
He crossed 1/4th of the island in a second or so.
Zoro has better reaction speed but I still can't put him above Nasujuro as of now.
Running around the island is irrelevant, Zoro stands right in front of him and that's what matters.
The speed in CQC and Zoro's speed is comparable or better there.
 
Characters' appearances on volume covers generally reflect their narrative importance in those story arcs. Luffy is far ahead of the rest, but Zoro does rank as No. 2. In Chopper's case, I think he's so high because he's the mascot, lol. Zoro is the second most globally popular One Piece character for a reason.

Volume Covers Featuring These Characters:

Zoro has 35 total appearances.
- Volumes: 1, 3, 5, 6, 9, 11, 12, 18, 22, 23, 26, 28, 32, 37, 39, 43, 49, 50, 51, 52, 61, 63, 64, 69, 71, 75, 76, 78, 91, 92, 93, 100, 102, 106, 111
- Debuted in Volume 1.

Sanji has 32 total appearances.
- Volumes: 7, 9, 11, 12, 17, 18, 22, 23, 26, 31, 32, 38, 43, 49, 52, 61, 62, 64, 67, 71, 73, 81, 84, 86, 88, 91, 93, 100, 102, 106, 108, 111
- Debuted in Volume 5.

Usopp has 31 total appearances.
- Volumes: 4, 6, 9, 11, 12, 15, 18, 19, 22, 23, 26, 32, 35, 38, 41, 43, 46, 49, 52, 61, 64, 70, 72, 74, 76, 78, 91, 92, 99, 106, 111
- Debuted in Volume 3.

Nami has 30 total appearances.
- Volumes: 1, 5, 6, 9, 11, 12, 18, 22, 23, 26, 32, 37, 43, 46, 49, 50, 52, 61, 64, 67, 70, 73, 81, 82, 85, 88, 91, 101, 106, 111
- Debuted in Volume 1.

Chopper has 30 total appearances.
- Volumes: 16, 17, 18, 22, 23, 26, 28, 31, 32, 37, 43, 46, 49, 52, 61, 62, 64, 67, 69, 73, 81, 82, 85, 88, 91, 94, 95, 99, 106, 111
- Debuted in Volume 15.
 
On the topic about speed:

There is a difference between quick and fast.

If it was racing, Nusjuro who had a build of a horse can gather momentum and reach his maximum speed and keep it for a long distance. Being quick is being fast in a short distance or short period.

Reaction speed, reflex and timing is more important in CQC than just being a fast runner. Not saying that being a fast runner is useless, but they can be also prone to counter. Plenty exemples in the story to show that.

Swordmen have their maai or range where some of them doesnt need to cover much distances by foot to strike the opponent.

A quick swordman with insane range can be as great as a super speed swordman that can cover a lot of distance by foot.
 
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