Questions & Mysteries Why Shusui is not supreme grade blade
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So if a unremarkable normal Blade is turned into a Black Blade, it suddenly get miraculous level of Hardness above Supreme Grade Blades?.. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds..
We been over this, you didn't learn.. The word used here in Japanese, Rank(Iretsu) or Grade(Iretsu) is literally the same.. Hitetsu is giving you the information and you're refusing it..
There are currently four known "grades" (位列, iretsu?) of Meito
The following is a list of blades of unknown grade (位列不明, iretsu fumei
Some blades (or other weapons) are confirmed to be ungraded (位列なし, iretsu nashi
Everytime in the Manga, where Rank or Grade Blade was mentioned it's Iretsu, there's no distinction between Rank and Grade it was just mistranslated to Rank once..
Is it called the Strongest Blade because Mihawk is the World Strongest Swordsman or because it's the World Strongest Blade?..
If Zoro turns all his Blades Black and defeats Mihawk, is Yoru still going to be the World Strongest Blade or not?..
We been over this, you didn't learn.. The word used here in Japanese, Rank(Iretsu) or Grade(Iretsu) is literally the same.. Hitetsu is giving you the information and you're refusing it..
There are currently four known "grades" (位列, iretsu?) of Meito
- Supreme Grade Blades (Saijō Ōwazamono), of which there are 12;
- Great Grade Blades (Ōwazamono), of which there are 21;
- Skillful Grade Blades (Ryōwazamono), of which there are 50;
- Grade Blades (Wazamono), of which there is a currently unknown number.
The following is a list of blades of unknown grade (位列不明, iretsu fumei
Some blades (or other weapons) are confirmed to be ungraded (位列なし, iretsu nashi
Everytime in the Manga, where Rank or Grade Blade was mentioned it's Iretsu, there's no distinction between Rank and Grade it was just mistranslated to Rank once..
Even if that's true.
Yoru is called the strongest weapon in the series.
Surpassing even Other top tier sword.
Are you ready for Mihawk > Roger , Shanks , Xebec
Yoru is called the strongest weapon in the series.
Surpassing even Other top tier sword.
Are you ready for Mihawk > Roger , Shanks , Xebec
If Zoro turns all his Blades Black and defeats Mihawk, is Yoru still going to be the World Strongest Blade or not?..
It's called the Strongest blade because world strongest swordsman Forged it into one.
It's exactly as you said root~beer chan.
Whether Yoru is Supreme grade or Great grade. Mihawk haki turned it into the strongest Blade amd even the Supreme grade.
Zoro haki will surpass Mihawk And surpassing yoru as well.
It's exactly as you said root~beer chan.
Whether Yoru is Supreme grade or Great grade. Mihawk haki turned it into the strongest Blade amd even the Supreme grade.
Zoro haki will surpass Mihawk And surpassing yoru as well.
You're not paying attention to the manga. Mihawk told Zoro duing his training flashback if he would have coated his normal unremarkable quality swords with haki he wouldn't have broken them with his black blade.
If it's possible to make ungraded normal unremarkable sword so strong with haki a superior grade black blade won't break it. Than a excellent grade black blade having greater hardness than a superior great normal sword is not farfetched. In fact, it's a direct opposite. It is reasonable and believable.
My argument isn't about whether the word grade or rank is the correct word to use. It's about the fact the blade grade system is created and determined by blacksmith, not swordsman. While black blades are created by swordsmen, not blacksmith. The blacksmith blade grade system has zero effect on black blades grade or rank.
When a swordsman forge a blade into a black blade the sword strength and hardness increases, not the blade quality.
To explain what I mean, if Zoro forge enma, a excellent grade blade, into a black blade it will become an excellent grade black blade. Black blade is the new rank or grade.
If it's possible to make ungraded normal unremarkable sword so strong with haki a superior grade black blade won't break it. Than a excellent grade black blade having greater hardness than a superior great normal sword is not farfetched. In fact, it's a direct opposite. It is reasonable and believable.
My argument isn't about whether the word grade or rank is the correct word to use. It's about the fact the blade grade system is created and determined by blacksmith, not swordsman. While black blades are created by swordsmen, not blacksmith. The blacksmith blade grade system has zero effect on black blades grade or rank.
When a swordsman forge a blade into a black blade the sword strength and hardness increases, not the blade quality.
To explain what I mean, if Zoro forge enma, a excellent grade blade, into a black blade it will become an excellent grade black blade. Black blade is the new rank or grade.
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We are missing 7 Saijo and there are very few characters left who are strong enough and respected by Oda to wield one.
Aside from Shanks, Xebec and Garling it is very likely that both of Shiki's swords are Saijo and then we are only missing one, which is likely Ray or Shamrock's.
It would be a twist if Kyo's Axe is a Saijo but i wouldn't bet on it.
Aside from Shanks, Xebec and Garling it is very likely that both of Shiki's swords are Saijo and then we are only missing one, which is likely Ray or Shamrock's.
It would be a twist if Kyo's Axe is a Saijo but i wouldn't bet on it.
You're not paying attention to the manga. Mihawk told Zoro duing his training flashback if he would have coated his normal unremarkable quality swords with haki he wouldn't have broken them with his black blade.
If it's possible to make ungraded normal unremarkable sword so strong with haki a superior grade black blade won't break it. Than a excellent grade black blade having greater hardness than a superior great normal sword is not farfetched. In fact, it's a direct opposite. is reasonable and believable.
If it's possible to make ungraded normal unremarkable sword so strong with haki a superior grade black blade won't break it. Than a excellent grade black blade having greater hardness than a superior great normal sword is not farfetched. In fact, it's a direct opposite. is reasonable and believable.
You as a mere reader don't have the authority to invalidate Hitetsu's statement.. Hitetsu(Oda) made the call, Enma will become a Supreme Grade Blade when it's turned Black.. Your headcanon about Swordmen grading Black Blades is irrelevant non sense..
That doesn't mean anything..
If your Blades can become World Strongest Blades by just defeating the user and his Blade, then the World Strongest Blade title was meaningless..
You're wrong again, you misunderstand those scenes.
Those scenes were for Zoro (and us readers) to understand the benefit and the purpose to blackened haki. It increases the hardness of whatever is coated or infuse with it. The stronger the haki the greater the hardness. It's possible to make your haki so strong that if you coat a sword with it its blade won't break or chip. If your haki clashes against another haki, the one with the stronger haki wins. Zoro's battle against Pica showed us that. It ended in a haki clash and the one with the stronger haki (Zoro) was the victor.
No, an ungraded black blade won't get easily destroyed or destroyed at all by a top tier supreme grade blade user just because they are using a supreme grade blade. They would have to use stronger haki. Then it's not blade vs blade battle, it's haki vs haki battle. Even then, I don't think that's possible without them using a black blade. Remember, the scene started out talking about using blackened haki and switched to black blades which is beyond blackened haki.
You should take your own advice.
The manga didn't say enma will become a supreme grade blade. It just says it's rank/grade might be raised. There's a difference between the two.
If Oda wanted us to know turning enma to a black blade would have raised its rank to a supreme grade the manga would have said that.
If turning a blade to a black blade raised its rank from a excellent to supreme than Mihawk's swords would be a higher rank. Don't try to tell me the WSS, a top tier character, doesn't have a supreme grade blade. There is no rank above supreme grade.
Plus, there's a fixed number of blades per grade. You can't have that if at any point in time a blade can change grades.
Those scenes were for Zoro (and us readers) to understand the benefit and the purpose to blackened haki. It increases the hardness of whatever is coated or infuse with it. The stronger the haki the greater the hardness. It's possible to make your haki so strong that if you coat a sword with it its blade won't break or chip. If your haki clashes against another haki, the one with the stronger haki wins. Zoro's battle against Pica showed us that. It ended in a haki clash and the one with the stronger haki (Zoro) was the victor.
No, an ungraded black blade won't get easily destroyed or destroyed at all by a top tier supreme grade blade user just because they are using a supreme grade blade. They would have to use stronger haki. Then it's not blade vs blade battle, it's haki vs haki battle. Even then, I don't think that's possible without them using a black blade. Remember, the scene started out talking about using blackened haki and switched to black blades which is beyond blackened haki.
You should take your own advice.
The manga didn't say enma will become a supreme grade blade. It just says it's rank/grade might be raised. There's a difference between the two.
If Oda wanted us to know turning enma to a black blade would have raised its rank to a supreme grade the manga would have said that.
If turning a blade to a black blade raised its rank from a excellent to supreme than Mihawk's swords would be a higher rank. Don't try to tell me the WSS, a top tier character, doesn't have a supreme grade blade. There is no rank above supreme grade.
Plus, there's a fixed number of blades per grade. You can't have that if at any point in time a blade can change grades.
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My headcanon Shusui before black blade are second grade/great grade meito. And after Ryuma make it permanent black, Shusui become 1st grade/supreme grade.
There's no quality or grade update for Shusui in the book(own by tashigi), that's why people still only know Shusui are second grade blade.
Again i want Zoro to keep Sandai Kitetsu, Zoro gonna upgrade Sandai from unranked meito to supreme meito, 3 rank upgrade. Kinda show how broken Zoro's haki.
There's no quality or grade update for Shusui in the book(own by tashigi), that's why people still only know Shusui are second grade blade.
Again i want Zoro to keep Sandai Kitetsu, Zoro gonna upgrade Sandai from unranked meito to supreme meito, 3 rank upgrade. Kinda show how broken Zoro's haki.
Because its soul died with its forger, so it returned to its original grade.
Unlike Enma who wasn't forged into black blade yet, meaning even Oden wasn't enough for Enma. So the sword's soul will keep on searching.
Just kidding.
It's just probably something Oda didn't put a lot of thoughts with, much like his other systems like haki. The idea was good, but it lacked big picture thinking.
Who even grades swords lol.
Unlike Enma who wasn't forged into black blade yet, meaning even Oden wasn't enough for Enma. So the sword's soul will keep on searching.
Just kidding.
It's just probably something Oda didn't put a lot of thoughts with, much like his other systems like haki. The idea was good, but it lacked big picture thinking.
Who even grades swords lol.
It increases the hardness of the Blade, but not to Kingdom come.. Again a misconception on your part, there's no '' Stronger '' Haki, hardening is the same on everybody, a hardened Blade is simply going to be sturdier and deadlier than a Hardened body..
A normal Black Blade would get annihilated by a Top Tier Supreme Grade Blade wielder..
Why Black Blades Haki is beyond Hardened Haki?..
There's no in between magical Grades within your own Grade.. There's only the 4 establish Grades..
That's because you wank Mihawk to no end.. No one has turned a Supreme Grade Blade, Black before..
Mihawk had a Great Grade Blade and turned it Black into a Supreme Grade Blade, it's not freaking rocket science..
A normal Black Blade would get annihilated by a Top Tier Supreme Grade Blade wielder..
Why Black Blades Haki is beyond Hardened Haki?..
There's no in between magical Grades within your own Grade.. There's only the 4 establish Grades..
That's because you wank Mihawk to no end.. No one has turned a Supreme Grade Blade, Black before..
Mihawk had a Great Grade Blade and turned it Black into a Supreme Grade Blade, it's not freaking rocket science..